Will get his new book just because of my own morbid curiosity. Don't really pay much attention to what he says these days though, has just become so bitter.
Roy Keane
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The most disappointing aspect of this book is that an absolute refusal to criticise Glazers even though he's not affiliated to United in a professional sense in any way.
That and the fact that he seems to like Adrian Chiles.
That and the fact that he seems to like Adrian Chiles.
The man has his demons but Fergie made a monster error in booting him out of the club the way he did....Fergie obviously felt Keanes influence in the dressing room was too strong and a direct challenge to his own position as the two of them began to have friction
No player ever gave more for the cause than Roy Keane and he deserved better. Would Fergie have booted Keane out of the club for that interview when he was at the peak of his powers? Absolutely no chance
Fergie booting Keano out of the club the way he did was a monster epic cock up on the same level as appointing David Moyes as his successor
No player ever gave more for the cause than Roy Keane and he deserved better. Would Fergie have booted Keane out of the club for that interview when he was at the peak of his powers? Absolutely no chance
Fergie booting Keano out of the club the way he did was a monster epic cock up on the same level as appointing David Moyes as his successor
Not even close. Keane was indulged and he got his say when he was at the peak of his powers, because it made sense. With his influence going down, Keane became a bit crazy. Fergie was ultimately right in moving Keane on.
Keane had blasted players and youth players numerous times before that infamous mutv interview. But he was simply too important for Fergie to boot out then. In fact when Keane was at the peak of his powers Fergie couldn't stop singing his praises. That's double standards. But yes Keane is an embarrasment to himself often but that inner rage is what separated him from the rest of the pack. As crazy as he can be he served the club better than most players who are worshipped here such as ole, best, ji sung etc so he deserves respect
If someone could answer this I'd appreciate it. I was very limited in my football viewing when Keane went to Celtic, but in comparison to his United performances, what was he like for Celtic?
He was alright....
Put it this way, in no way was he shit when he played, but, he wasn't the almighty conquering Keane that we are all used to
The odd thing about Keane was that he could've become a deep lying playmaker ala. Scholes/Pirlo but didn't adapt in time sadly. I mean he had the passing ability, but once those hip and ankle injuries stacked up he changed rapidly. Scholes/Pirlo adjusted their games over years, Keane was never the same when he came back from his hip operation, lost a lot of th mobility that made the peak Keane great. When he said he could've played a squad role for the United team who won in Moscow, I genuinely believe he could've, but he didn't adjust his game. There was something to the Fergie "Peter Pan" comments.
His heart just wasn't in it at celtic. He was still mentally scarred from his utd rejection. He should have gone to Madrid.
Fergie is a God but if Cantona had decided to stick around the club even when his powers were very much on the wane just like the likes of Rio, Scholes etc stuck around even when they were clearly not the same player that they once were and had commited the kung fu moment when he was just an impact sub then would Fergie have backed Cantona in that kung fu kick moment or would he have terminated his contract? He'd most certainly have terminated his contract.
In some ways that ruthlessness is what made Fergie so great. But Fergie didn't always get it right and I feel he got it wrong with Keano. Keane was very much the tortured genius who died for the cause and he deserved a proper send off from Fergie. Fergie should have realized that
Fergie is a God but if Cantona had decided to stick around the club even when his powers were very much on the wane just like the likes of Rio, Scholes etc stuck around even when they were clearly not the same player that they once were and had commited the kung fu moment when he was just an impact sub then would Fergie have backed Cantona in that kung fu kick moment or would he have terminated his contract? He'd most certainly have terminated his contract.
In some ways that ruthlessness is what made Fergie so great. But Fergie didn't always get it right and I feel he got it wrong with Keano. Keane was very much the tortured genius who died for the cause and he deserved a proper send off from Fergie. Fergie should have realized that
"You two are a disgrace to the club. You woke Sir Bobby up"
I actually forget sometimes how Fergie could be OTT with things he said
I actually forget sometimes how Fergie could be OTT with things he said
I have the highest admiration for Keane as a player.
I did always wonder why this never happened.
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Gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he meant he hates losing like Keane does
[/QUOTE]Gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he meant he hates losing like Keane does
Fergie had no choice but to let him go, he wasn't the player he was. Keane was starting to have a negative influence in the dressing room and I get the feeling he couldn't cope with not being the player he was. Fergie was the boss, Keane as good as he was, was just another player. Fergie kicked him out for the good of the team, and time has proved that it was the right decision.
people go on and on about the keane haaland and but if it wasn't for the ilk of bryan robson then introduced to us in the dressing room. keane is an amateur boxer even today certainly not scared of his aura and if you can like it or not sick of it. joe royle story at man city in europe before his hair cut forest manager clough also. i don't like than newspaper articles brucey and sharpey both said it stood up to him take my pills
What?
Keane and Fergie were/are tapped in the head. Great servants for the club but probably folk you wouldn't have round for a brew.
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Use Google translator.
Good god
Tthere was only one club for Keane.
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm ok
ibra has backed every bit of his arrogance up, its stupid to compare him with barton.
He might be right about this 'branding' of the CO92 but I read somewhere that the best way of dealing with RK was just to take the view that ''Roy was off on one again'' and try and stay well out of it. No one had told Edwin this, obv.
What the hell did I just read.
I recognise the individual words, but...
True, another thing is people sheasy bashing constantly over and over must feel like proper fools now cause iof sheasy didn't play like a clown the time he was marking ronaldo ronaldo might never have came.
Written mid stroke?
Yeah that bit made me laugh, I sometimes forget too - but then I remember...
'I have no idea where his best position is. He could play anywhere on the pitch. But he will be one of the best players we have ever had.'
Sir Alex Ferguson on the comparisons between Phil Jones & Duncan Edwards
Maybe he's not that bothered by it? Judging by some of his comments whilst he seems somewhat of a United fan (although it seems more for his son than himself) he viewed it as a job more than anything. He got paid by them and then went home. It's probably different for fans but for a couple of years at least the Glazer's afforded Keane a nice lifestyle so he may not be that bothered when he looks back with hindsight.
The quotes are funny and quite interesting to read. I don't mind Keane at all. People will always come out and say he's better but he's entitled to a response from the likes of Fergie's book which did make him look bad, also it's bound to hurt him somewhat to see stuff like that be printed and I think it's understandable he'd be a bit bitter about it really.
No one really knows what happened and will pick and choose who to believe. I personally think both Keane and Fergie will speak a load of rubbish in their books to suit themselves. Most truths in there are probably exaggerated as well.
I don't think Keane gives a shite about United fans anyway. Up in the stands, eating their prawn sandwiches.
He's such a complex character. It's hard to work out exactly who or what he did care about. Other than winning, that is.
Be nice if the book got inside his head a bit. Roddy Doye's better than the average ghost-writer so might have some interesting insights. I doubt that any of them will be included in the snippets doing the rounds in the press. They're obviously just the most sensational. Never read a footballer or managers biography before but might make an exception for this one.
He's such a complex character. It's hard to work out exactly who or what he did care about. Other than winning, that is.
Be nice if the book got inside his head a bit. Roddy Doye's better than the average ghost-writer so might have some interesting insights. I doubt that any of them will be included in the snippets doing the rounds in the press. They're obviously just the most sensational. Never read a footballer or managers biography before but might make an exception for this one.
with keane and robson then dressing room was always gym time for boxing amateur. fight or no fight keane, his rule or no rule. before haircut joe doyle, mike mcafee irish at world cup and sam mashandrice at hams, all likely to newspaper a story of keane and cof92 drinking culture take my pills.
Bet Keane didn't think that KP would be giving him competition on the explosive book front... out-doing him at this moment in-time in fact.
Great post!I wish I was there for the Keane vs. Schmeichel PPV fight with Nicky Butt acting as ref. "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT" is what I would have been saying
No its brilliant management. Use him when he is useful, get rid when he is no longer.
Ibra has also earnt that right IMO
His first book with Dunphy is better than the average biography and the insight it provides into his character explains a lot of his behaviour since its publication.
Yep and therein lies the source of Keane's anger towards Fergie and the club. He was a fiercely loyal player who gave his best years to United, it's fair enough that he's angry about being booted out as soon as he was no longer indispensable. As a Man Utd fan I know it was the right decision but I still feel sorry for Keane after all he did for us.