I liked Keano as a footballer, but his tough guy image don't wash with me anymore. He is getting on now and his antics and anti socialism in front of the cameras will be pulled up by some younger tougher guy, some day soon.
Roy Keane - at it again.
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Look, Sir Alex is probably the best manager in the history of the game so I would, on that account alone, expect him to better at managing relationship, maintaining amicable terms, playing politics (as you do have to), being somewhat of a people's person and handling his own image. On the other hand, Keane comes across as somebody who is much more off the cuff and less mindful of playing the game, if you will. Again, I'm not saying Roy is the innocent and naive side here with SAF being the weasley one. But given the role the two have played in the game of football, I'd simply expect SAF to manage these situatuons or at least keep up appearances better.
But I suppose my point here is not really regarding who is right and who is wrong. It's how seriously some fans appear to take all of this. Two absolute greats of this football clubs history dislike each other and harbour plenty of bitterness for each other. That's their personal deal. Once in awhile they'll let off some steam about it when prodded/writing a book. That's it. It's a personal grudge. I don't get why fans work up a childlike storm on a personal fued, as if their fan-ness is incomplete and unproven unless they pick a side (usual SAFs) and swing their useless e-fists at the other one (usually Keane).
These are two individuals who hold a special place in Manchester United history. We should be thankful to them both. It's pretty childish to need to take a dump on one who has contributed hugely just because he has a personal issue with someone else. Look at the title - Is Roy Keane dead you? Grown ups surely don't decide a footballer who did incredible for their club is dead becuase of some comments he made on a telly show.
And I saw the interview. It was great. Roy is excellent to listen to. Yes, he harbours bitterness but he's had his own experiences so who am I to judge really? All I know is that he was one of our all time greats and his feelings are his feelings. I couldn't be bothered with trying to dissect it, or getting worked up over it.
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Yeah I bet he's quaking in his boots at the thought of some young nutjob who has no business getting involved making a prat of himself.
Actually I watched the whole thing myself earlier today and it's generally a really funny and insightful interview.
Neville came across as the biggest prick in it when he had a go at the interviewer around 48 minutes in.
Loved the Matt Taylor anecdote at the end.
Neville came across as the biggest prick in it when he had a go at the interviewer around 48 minutes in.
Loved the Matt Taylor anecdote at the end.
Actually I watched the whole thing myself earlier today and it's generally a really funny and insightful interview.
Neville came across as the biggest prick in it when he had a go at the interviewer around 48 minutes in.
Loved the Matt Taylor anecdote at the end.
You can bet the people that get worked up and say Keane is a disgrace haven't watched it . Always the way . Was a great watch
Actually I watched the whole thing myself earlier today and it's generally a really funny and insightful interview.
Neville came across as the biggest prick in it when he had a go at the interviewer around 48 minutes in.
Loved the Matt Taylor anecdote at the end.
Aye I thought it was very rude, especially as the "better question" he then laboriously asked was dismissed out of hand by Keane. I thought Neville might have been acting cnutish for a laugh but it seems he wasn't.
I’m surprised nobody said much about Neville interrupting the interviewer so rudely. I mean we get dozens of pages of whining if he says something mean about Pogba.
Soy Keane?
Errmmmm wasn't it the interviewer interrupting Neville ?
Interesting that Keane still harbours ambition to manage. If the podcast tells us anything it's that Keane is eminently unsuitable for management. Following reasons
1. Knocks Walters for not winning medals. Keane is obviously one of the most successful players of any era. Statistically most players don't win medals. Keane gave off an air of superiority on the basis that he won medals. Therefore any player who hasn't is inferior.
2. Criticizes Walters for talking on TV about recent tragedies in his life. Just because it's something Keane wouldn't do doesn't mean it's the wrong thing to do. It shows a terrible lack of basic empathy for someone.
3. For the whole podcast Keane gives off an air of a lack of self awareness. Keane doesn't seem to understand or respect verbal boundaries. Managers need to be able to build relationships with players. Players are to a manager what tools are to a handyman. I don't think Keane gets this. He has no time for the soft side of human interaction.
Any chairman watching that, if they were tempted before to hire him, would run a mile from Keane. He is a disaster waiting to happen for any club that might be stupid enough to employ him.
Can you imagine a player going to Keane because he has been over come by depression. I dread to think what Keane would say. When Clive Clarke suffered a heart attack Keane's reply was he was surprised Clarke had a heart. I mean really!
He criticises Ferguson over loyalty. Yet, as skipper, he walked out on his team mates on the eve of the 2002 World Cup Finals. A first rate hypocrite.
He was an imperious player but an odious individual and as a proud Irishman he embarrasses me.
1. Knocks Walters for not winning medals. Keane is obviously one of the most successful players of any era. Statistically most players don't win medals. Keane gave off an air of superiority on the basis that he won medals. Therefore any player who hasn't is inferior.
2. Criticizes Walters for talking on TV about recent tragedies in his life. Just because it's something Keane wouldn't do doesn't mean it's the wrong thing to do. It shows a terrible lack of basic empathy for someone.
3. For the whole podcast Keane gives off an air of a lack of self awareness. Keane doesn't seem to understand or respect verbal boundaries. Managers need to be able to build relationships with players. Players are to a manager what tools are to a handyman. I don't think Keane gets this. He has no time for the soft side of human interaction.
Any chairman watching that, if they were tempted before to hire him, would run a mile from Keane. He is a disaster waiting to happen for any club that might be stupid enough to employ him.
Can you imagine a player going to Keane because he has been over come by depression. I dread to think what Keane would say. When Clive Clarke suffered a heart attack Keane's reply was he was surprised Clarke had a heart. I mean really!
He criticises Ferguson over loyalty. Yet, as skipper, he walked out on his team mates on the eve of the 2002 World Cup Finals. A first rate hypocrite.
He was an imperious player but an odious individual and as a proud Irishman he embarrasses me.
Lover him as a player - but now I cringe every time he opens his mouth
there's a bit where Nev cuts him off and is very rude to him
although the interviewer was being annoying af
Yeah any chairman that hires him deserves anything he gets. He simply lacks people skills and its the first thing a manager needs. He seem to judge everyone from what would I do in that position and if its different he dont understand it. Really weird how someone at his age cant understand people are different and act differently.
Keane did not walk out but was sent home by Mick Mcarthy. The sacking of Roy Keane was a planned event now I am sure especially after this video. There were many things that led to the meeting after the video. Carlos Quiroz wanted him out and now these new stories are coming out of throwing the bib, trying to humiliate the captain by refusing to let him train with the first team squad after injury, the issue of the accommodation in Portugal while Quiroz had no issues with Phil Neville and Scholes staying in the same kind of Villa Keane was staying with his family, the non invitation to Keane to the Chinese restaurant by Fergie etc.
Neville said that he saw this coming as the same way he saw the clash between Fergie and Beckham.
Fergie is no saint and Keane is spot on about Darren Ferguson and also about PNE. He is also spot on about Bryan Robson and Steve Bruce. Fergie did it to Berbatov too with him dropping him from the CL Final hoping that Berbatov will ask for a transfer. He also refused to play him near the end of the season so that he may not win be the highest scorer in the league while Berbatov played an important part in getting United to the Final.
Wasn't Walters going on TV and talking about Roy Keane a lot of times?
Neville said that he saw this coming as the same way he saw the clash between Fergie and Beckham.
Fergie is no saint and Keane is spot on about Darren Ferguson and also about PNE. He is also spot on about Bryan Robson and Steve Bruce. Fergie did it to Berbatov too with him dropping him from the CL Final hoping that Berbatov will ask for a transfer. He also refused to play him near the end of the season so that he may not win be the highest scorer in the league while Berbatov played an important part in getting United to the Final.
Wasn't Walters going on TV and talking about Roy Keane a lot of times?
id be surprised a chairman would even meet for an interview
Walters is your bang average ex player who fits well as a “pundit” as he looks the type to be pally with them. He’s become hot property at the moment because of Roy Keane.
He will be one of these “pundits” who in 5 years you will forget he was ever a footballer.
And if anyone thinks what Keane said was harsh, google Clive Clarke comments from Roy Keane
What I mean by sounds like Paul Ince, is that he is whiny, his attitude comes across as the same as Ince, his persona, his facial expressions, he is the Irish Paul Ince, only difference is he never joined Liverpool, Keane could probably find a lump of gold and be like " that's nonsense, it's no better than a lump of coal".
Keane did walk out on Ireland before the WC 2002 over Mick McCarthy challenging him in front of the entire squad. Mick was wrong to do that and should have spoke to Keane privately. Keane should have remembered that he was captain of the squad and resolved to have it out with Mick post the WC.
In terms of United Keane was finished as a top player and Ferguson was right to move him on. He was wrong in how he did it though. He should have called him in at the end of the 04/05 season and said look Roy it's time to move on. Not sure why he didn't to be honest.
In terms of Walters. As a bloke he seems someone the public could empathise with a lot more than they ever could with Keane. Seems a more normal balanced individual. As a player Walters was limited but full of heart. He possibly should not allow himself to be a rent a quote regarding Keane. Give Keane enough rope and he'll hang himself.
Keane is obviously very intelligent so his lack of awareness regarding what he said and how it might come across to a potential employee is something I find staggering.
In terms of United Keane was finished as a top player and Ferguson was right to move him on. He was wrong in how he did it though. He should have called him in at the end of the 04/05 season and said look Roy it's time to move on. Not sure why he didn't to be honest.
In terms of Walters. As a bloke he seems someone the public could empathise with a lot more than they ever could with Keane. Seems a more normal balanced individual. As a player Walters was limited but full of heart. He possibly should not allow himself to be a rent a quote regarding Keane. Give Keane enough rope and he'll hang himself.
Keane is obviously very intelligent so his lack of awareness regarding what he said and how it might come across to a potential employee is something I find staggering.
Roy Keane has many faults but one thing that isn't a fault is that he is a born winner. He doesn't celebrate fourth place, why would he ? He wants to be the best and cannot fathom why every other player is the same. I agree with him when it comes to celebrating fourth place.
So we would celebrate other teams not winning titles despite us not winning them either ? That's a small team mentality that Liverpool had for years... celebrating when we lost out on a title despite being nowhere near it. I personally think that's pathetic.
Everyone want to be the best. A team dont finish fourth because they didnt want it enough. They finish 4th because there were 3 better teams. If he was such a winner he wouldnt fail as manager.
Not really. You could be as good as the other three teams but still lose if you do not want it that bad and fight enough. United many times has won during Keane's time not because they should have won but because they never give up. Many teams have not won because they give up mentally.
That's not what others who have been there including Clinton Morrison who was there said. Yes Keane should not have had a fight with Mick and Mick should not have tried t humiliate him in front of the squad but he was sent home for ranting at his manager.
Not all winners succeed at being managers. That makes no sense whatsoever.
Roy Keane speaks his mind.
He's about as interesting as Eamon Dunphy, imo.
He still fails to understand that parts of the reason for changing tactics towards the end of his career was to prolong his career at the club. He also fails to understand that he took things way too far with the infamous interview and that there was no coming back from it. For someone supposedly ruthless as feck, it's a bit of a surprise that he can't get over it.
He's about as interesting as Eamon Dunphy, imo.
He still fails to understand that parts of the reason for changing tactics towards the end of his career was to prolong his career at the club. He also fails to understand that he took things way too far with the infamous interview and that there was no coming back from it. For someone supposedly ruthless as feck, it's a bit of a surprise that he can't get over it.
It was a good interview. I'd say Keane come off it looking no worse than Neville. Obviously the Walters family comment was distasteful, but the arrogance from Neville when he interjected and spoke over the presenter.
Keane made a lot of good points, and some of his stories were very interesting.
Keane made a lot of good points, and some of his stories were very interesting.
Keane coming over as a massive cnut again, re Walters.
Some worthwhile comments as a pundit sometimes but really, a bit unhinged.
Some worthwhile comments as a pundit sometimes but really, a bit unhinged.
Was interesting to hear him talk about Fergies man management and he was very complementary about him which off course is not being reported in the media
Why isn’t anyone allowed to be a dick these days? Most people I know can be dicks sometimes myself included.
He's a bit of a hypocrite in that regard and, entertaining as he is, I've lost a fair bit of respect for him over the years.
Shortly after the Henry handball goal in the World Cup Play-off, Keane came out and said "They can complain all they want but France are going to the World Cup – get over it. France were there for the taking and Ireland didn't do it."
Then here he is bringing up Queiroz throwing a bib at him 14/15 years ago.
I also found it ironic that his beef with Walters and Arter was over them not training due to injury, given he's still fuming over being accused of feigning injury in Saipan.
if you watch the whole interview and not the "juicy" bits that have been highlighted by the press, you will see him fully address the whole injury situation and himself re Ireland. He refers to all the qualifying games for that infamous world cup campaign and the fact he only missed one.
headline on talksport "Roy Keane accuses ‘bored’ England players of putting in ‘sloppy’ display in Euro 2020 qualifying win over Kosovo"
what he actually said was and was talking only about the 2nd half, as he'd praised their 1st half performance “Sometimes players get bored when the game seems over, that’s where the sloppiness comes in,”
typical tabloid style headline, he merely made a universally accepted version of the game, England were in total control, assumed game was over and got a bit sloppy.
what he actually said was and was talking only about the 2nd half, as he'd praised their 1st half performance “Sometimes players get bored when the game seems over, that’s where the sloppiness comes in,”
typical tabloid style headline, he merely made a universally accepted version of the game, England were in total control, assumed game was over and got a bit sloppy.
I'm not sure what your point is.
My opinion is that he is a hypocrite and that's based on numerous interviews and statements he's made over the years, not just this one in isolation.
He's also conveniently left out certain things in his version of events such as the interviews he gave to the papers, while in Saipan, which is the reason the Team meeting in question was called.
Point is he played in all the games bar 1. You said he was hypocrite for having a pop at Walters for being injured when he was himself accused of it. If you watch the whole video he addresses that, he wasn't injured which was the crux of his argument with Mick. I'm not sticking up for Keane blindly here, I've many issues with certain things he says, but if you are going to have a pop at him, know the facts. Walters didn't want to train but play, let's be frank here that type of entitlement is bestowed on exceptions like McGrath not Jon fecking Walters.
Not what I said at all. He claimed he was accused of faking injury and took great offence.
I said it was ironic, given how upset he was over this, that basis of the row with Walters and Arter was over them being too injured to train.
Now, if you want to get into the specifics the lads couldn't train 3 days in a row and required treatment that day. This was under medical advice and ok'd by the manager.
That example was an aside to my main point as you can see by the way I stated 'I also found it ironic that...'
Really not looking to derail this into a Saipan discussion but I don't believe for a second that the main crux of that debacle was over the alleged accusation.
That's the thing though 99% of those feigning disgust haven't watched the interview
He actually calls himself a hypocrite in the interview. Good point made about accusing players of injury. Also the part where he said he was rooming with Irwin coming in late at night pissed up whilst Irwin was preparing for the 99 CL final, If someone else done that on his watch he would have ripped them apart
Some mouths are best kept closed.
Great player but comes across as a bit of a dick human being.
Great player but comes across as a bit of a dick human being.
Keane is a brilliant storyteller. Extremely funny and actually very interesting. He could hold court in a room full of thousands for hours.
He shouldn't be a manager ever again though. He hasn't got the mentality. He expects everyone to be as good as him or put as much effort in as he did and it just will never happen.
He shouldn't be a manager ever again though. He hasn't got the mentality. He expects everyone to be as good as him or put as much effort in as he did and it just will never happen.