You beat me to it. One of the worst posters here and that takes some doing.
Roy Keane: “It’s not the club I played for. It's a really really sad night.”
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While I agree with those who complain of Keane that the game at the top level is about more than shouting at people and being aggressive, Roy does offer a little more than that caricature. We all sensed in today's game that our players were not at the same skill level but more, we were not at the same commitment level. That is not cured by shouting at them or going mental during the half-time talk, it's about the culture of the squad and the spirit to do your job on the pitch even when you are not playing at your best. Of how many in our team can we say that is the case? Really, they looked intimidated out there and seemed unable to do some basic things. Instead of digging in and pulling together as a unit, they crumbled. I can't remember a Fergie team doing that very often and certainly not with the regularity we see these days -- THAT is what I think Roy is getting at -- wearing that shirt has to mean something and while I get some of the players love the club, the group as a whole seem feeble and limited when the going gets tough. While I understand some think getting Roy in might be fun for the tough guy straight talk they imagine he'd offer, I'm more interested in how someone like him might help players develop the team spirit and fight we need to play for United while a top manager and coach can help develop the skills. Not the craziest idea.
It is the same with the older players too. Macca and Scholes said the same thing. He said United players just did not even kick anyone. When Thiago was playing his fancy stuff, they let him play. In the older days someone would have taken a yellow and put in a hard tackle. Now this lot was pussy footing around. No effort and no pride.
The part that depresses and all fans is the fact that we didn’t try. How many times did Liverpool give us a game when they finished between 4-7th and we were at the top.
Fair enough they are far superior and have been together for years under one of best coaches in the world but at least try. We have no fight at all
Fair enough they are far superior and have been together for years under one of best coaches in the world but at least try. We have no fight at all
Exactly and it's down to the players. Rashford, Bruno, Maguire, De Gea , Lindelof, Matic were the senior players last night and that group will wilt at the thought of working harder than the opponent.
Get rid of the lot of them except Ronaldo DDG Sancho Fred McT Varane.
Fill the spaces with academy players, its going to take a few years to challenge anyway so id rather give that to younger ones than buy in more primadonnas.
If ETH is half the coach we all think he is im sure he’d get more of a tune out the academy players anyway than the established ones.
Fill the spaces with academy players, its going to take a few years to challenge anyway so id rather give that to younger ones than buy in more primadonnas.
If ETH is half the coach we all think he is im sure he’d get more of a tune out the academy players anyway than the established ones.
Agree, and there's a few more as well, we can all harp back to the good old days, football has moved on alot. Technicall players are not the b all any more, it's the more athletic player who's got quality to go for 90mins in every position. City have them the scum do ,City have a squad of them. Utd along with others need them and there out there and it will happen again at Utd trouble is how long. Keane great player but he does rub people up the wrong way.
It was. Although someone like Keane would be nice. Someone to boss and grab games back. A leader of some kind.
You could bet that the 50 year old version of Roy would have given more than these frauds that we have in the team.
James "readhispoststoyour" Peril.
Take a bow.
Your quality transcends the F1 thread I see.
Take a bow.
Your quality transcends the F1 thread I see.
Absolutely moronic post and if you are a Utd fan you should hang your head in shame for disparaging one of our greatest ever players..
last night was a truly sad night for how low this team has fallen, however, I do not think this is it yet!
We play Arsenal away, I think Arsenal too will have their way with this hopeless team, and then Chelsea next, who will want to get over their loss against Madrid and make a quick work of this waste of space side.
I never said this before, even when people suggested that we needed to lose games so Ole can be sacked, and I am loath to say this, but I hope this team keeps losing and not qualify to Europe at all, only then the board will feel the financial pain of missing out on European football and probably Sponsorships deals tied to team performances (if any). we lucked into UCL football this season and last season, I can't see that happening next season.
Maybe then the board will do something and actually sanction one of the biggest squad purges and give EtH the backing, not only financially, but also backing against the players, where the players know that they are on the chopping block if they do not buy-in to the manager's plans and give 110% every game.
We play Arsenal away, I think Arsenal too will have their way with this hopeless team, and then Chelsea next, who will want to get over their loss against Madrid and make a quick work of this waste of space side.
I never said this before, even when people suggested that we needed to lose games so Ole can be sacked, and I am loath to say this, but I hope this team keeps losing and not qualify to Europe at all, only then the board will feel the financial pain of missing out on European football and probably Sponsorships deals tied to team performances (if any). we lucked into UCL football this season and last season, I can't see that happening next season.
Maybe then the board will do something and actually sanction one of the biggest squad purges and give EtH the backing, not only financially, but also backing against the players, where the players know that they are on the chopping block if they do not buy-in to the manager's plans and give 110% every game.
Even souness seemed depressed, what a shitshow.
This is what I was going to say. When even Souness starts feeling sorry for you then yr truly fkd.
Keane should be given a role in the club to have power/right to shout and shame our players in dressing room, whenever he wants to.
At a certain point is not even funny anymore, you can't even take the pics out of it.
Souness played during pool's most successful period and frankly we were shot at times but even then we always gave it a go , never go down without a fight and in the process we managed to nick several wins here and there as well.
Must be sad to see what's happened to their greatest rivals even for him.
There's an element of truth to your post. However the biggest criticism of Keane is that he is too black and white with his thinking, its all or nothing, it's all about grit and determination and hard work. Ironically, your post demonstrates the same all or nothing thought process.
A rivalry is nothing when one side has given up and is essentially a quivering wreck hiding in the corner with no way of defending itself. At that point it becomes pity.
Excellent post. All our ex-legends do this every time we have a bad game, glorifying the past, going on about passion, which our fanbase lap up in the moment. But they offer nothing in solution or analysis.
That’s just modern punditry in general. Everyone would do a whole lot better not watching it.
For what it’s worth, I think he was talking about Rashford looking shy, timid, lost etc.
Playing like a child and being childish is two separate things. Although I don't particularly think the standards of punditry is good its not about tactics or game analysis anymore. Its about fight and passion and confidence etc. If you don't even have that then what's the point of tactics or analyzing how we could have created more chances etc
That's because he's a winner, these lot have no pride, no fight and are serial losers. They have bottled every SF and final we've been in the past 4/5 years.
Very surprised you're choosing to out Keane on what he's said, so I'm guessing you're a family member or friend of either Maguire, Rashford or Lingard.
He’s definitely not a United fan. He posts constant drivel.
We clearly need 2 things:
A big departure lounge
And a new MUFC shirt with "for sale" on the front and a reserve price on the back
10 new players at an average of even 40m needs some funding
A big departure lounge
And a new MUFC shirt with "for sale" on the front and a reserve price on the back
10 new players at an average of even 40m needs some funding
English players don't get criticized by English media, it's been that way for ages."we tried to give harry Maguire a bit of PR before the match. The last goal though, his defending not acceptable"
Did he just give away a skysports narrative
Hahaha...name one pundit that offers that level of detail in a post match analysis? On any channel? Ever?
If the basics are not right why go into much more than that? Andy Robertson made a recovery run last night having lost the ball when they were 3-0 up...like his fuking life depended on it...Mane was back defending in the left back position when they were 2-0 up. Marcus Rashford strolled around flapping his hands the entire game. It is black and white.
What analysis do you need? Roy Keane is very rarely wrong imo. He may not offer much insight ...but that’s not to say what he is saying is incorrect.
I get that some people for whatever reason don't seem to like him.
But what he says is true most of the time, when he's talking about players having character, I think he means hard working players like Bryan Robson, Cantona, Ronaldo etc. Players with the personality and ability to back it up that can compete at the highest level without wilting. Not like this lot, who seem to fold under the slightest bit of pressure.
I'd say it sickens him to see this bunch of over paid wasters stroll around the pitch for 90 mins. You can see it in him, he just doesn't understand how players can go out and play like that.
But what he says is true most of the time, when he's talking about players having character, I think he means hard working players like Bryan Robson, Cantona, Ronaldo etc. Players with the personality and ability to back it up that can compete at the highest level without wilting. Not like this lot, who seem to fold under the slightest bit of pressure.
I'd say it sickens him to see this bunch of over paid wasters stroll around the pitch for 90 mins. You can see it in him, he just doesn't understand how players can go out and play like that.
Fingers crossed, this time we will get the notorious rebuild done
We have pretty unreasonable and illogical fans…
There's still a bit too much talk about character for me. You need quality.
We say Liverpool are fulll of character but look what happened last season when they had injuries. How many games at home without a goal? Why didn't their character keep them winning?
I was disappointed with the lack of aggression last night but if you can't pass the ball, if your first and second touch aren't good enough, nothing else really matters.
I saw Keane and United get completely destroyed at Madrid. As bad as last night really. Character can't drag you out of being completely outplayed.
We say Liverpool are fulll of character but look what happened last season when they had injuries. How many games at home without a goal? Why didn't their character keep them winning?
I was disappointed with the lack of aggression last night but if you can't pass the ball, if your first and second touch aren't good enough, nothing else really matters.
I saw Keane and United get completely destroyed at Madrid. As bad as last night really. Character can't drag you out of being completely outplayed.
I admire the fact that you summoned up that dose of energy to reply to that inane post. I just laughed when I saw it.
He'll get time as long as he buys time.
When you have found this perfect parallel universe let me know, I would love to join you!
I will bet you a good bottle of whisky that Glazers will just do what they have always done - pay lip service and then proceed to squeeze the club dry until they sell at some point.
Gary Neville was right. Don’t let the investment they have put in fool any of us. The investment is NOT their own money. Can you imagine the financial might we truly would have had over the past 10 years if we didn’t need to service the debt? The fact they have spent the money badly does not excuse their bad management. The fact that they relied on Woodward to run the club on the footballing side over the past 10 years shows they don’t know what they are doing and trusted the wrong people. But trusting the wrong folks for 10 years?! That is not a mistake because Woodward took a lot of the heat. There is a reason that Glazers have not invested in the training grounds or the stadium - it costs too much.
And to give credit Woodward and the commercial team for all these so called successful commercial deals is almost farcical. We were so successful and were trading on our established brand so partners from all industries were keen to tie up with us. Since we have been wank for the past few years have you heard about any huge partnership/deals being announced? Zero.
Really hope your wish comes come true but I hold no hope for this club for the next few years. If the leadership is rotten and self-serving can’t really see how the ship will be righted.
A new album from Biggie ???
Everyday struggle
I think every Man Utd fan is 100% behind Ten Hag and want him to both get the time and the resources to recreate the team in his own style. I don't think anyone would be upset to see him ship off the majority of the squad and start from scratch to be honest.
There isn't the appetite for it on UK TV I assume. This place over the last 3 years is a prime example of why it wouldn't work. Our fans would watch us win a game 2-1 after getting absolutely schooled in the first half and still outplayed in the second but we come out a better team and score a couple of goals because we have far better individuals and if you dared to question the win or that winning like that week after week was not good or sustainable you would be told to "enjoy the win" and that all that matters is winning.
People don't understand that Liverpool and City are at the summit because they place such an emphasis on tactical setup, intensity and perfection. If they win 3-0 with an awful performance where the opposition dictated the game for long periods, Klopp and Pep would be furious and the players would damn well know it. They are the managers that would rather lose and play well than win and play poorly. And you know what, with an attitude like that you find yourself playing at a much higher level than when you think that all that matters is winning. You should be fecking winning most of your games when your team cost 10x the amount the opposition does. If you are not beating them comprehensively most games then you are not doing as well as you should be and there is room for improvement.
I don't know whether this stems from "the United way" when we would routinely turn results around under Fergie that were going again us and grind out results but thats no longer enough. The competition has moved on. We don't have to worry about a less well funded Arsenal, we have to worry about a better funded City and a well funded Chelsea/Liverpool with some of the best managers ever. The old mentality and way would not work anymore.
Watching the City/Chelsea game a few weeks ago was just depressing. Both teams were technically miles ahead of us and in the 110th minute, both teams were still giving it everything. They weren't strolling around the pitch dead on their feet. It was such a stark contrast to our own malaise.
Running around like a headless chicken is pointless but our players currently aren't even putting in the effort to execute under 10s level defending and attacking. Its embarrassing.
That’s not true. Gary Neville said the Glazers have to go. Or at least start investing in right culture and infrastructure etc. Running a gigantic football club is not easy but not nuclear physics either. If they think they have the structure then they need to get the right people in, the best in class. Has this club done that? There are solutions and nothing Roy Keane or Gary Neville said is inconsistent with what a lot of fans are saying.