Rooneygate Revisited - Would SAF Still Sell Him?

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And so we come to the end of the season. Most football fans and their predictable fickleness (myself included to be fair) have long forgotten and moved on from the events nearly 6 months ago. The cries demanding Rooney out have faded, and having struck up a partnership with Javier Hernandez, Rooney has come back into form and helped United to an almost guaranteed record 19th Premier League crown, not to mention a rematch again Barcelona in footballs most coveted competition - the Champions League.


Whilst your average fan may once again be singing about the White Pele, and Old Trafford still vibrates from time to time from "Rooneh! Rooneh! Rooneh!", it begs the question for me as to whether the man in charge thinks the same way. Ferguson has a pretty long standing precedent when it comes to a player falling out of line - it happened with Beckham, it happened with Van Nistelrooy, and countless others - the trend has always been that the player goes and the club moves on. Rooney has so far proved the exception to the rule, and new contract in hand he certainly doesnt look like a player eager to jump ship at the earliest opportunity, but Ferguson may not like the idea of a player - even one so pivotal to the team as Rooney - questioning his decisions.

So is there a chance that having played his way back into form and penning his name down for however many years - SAF will now use this as an opportunity to get rid of Rooney? Doing it in January would have been close to suicidal, and wouldve left United lacking firepower for the second half of the season, but now with the time to rebuild and regroup could we still see a shock departure for the Man United talisman?
 
If a good offer, say £50m, came from some interested club we would accept it and leave it up to Rooney to decide whether to move or to stay. He has pretty much won the fans back with his performances lately and I cannot see us forcing him out as he is our best player, and the one that separates us from good clubs like Tottenham, Milan, Arsenal etc. and makes us a great one. In this market we couldn't find a proper replacement as we wouldn't be able to afford one with City, Chelsea and Real Madrid having considerably more power.
 
Sarni said:
If a good offer, say £50m, came from some interested club we would accept it and leave it up to Rooney to decide whether to move or to stay. He has pretty much won the fans back with his performances lately and I cannot see us forcing him out as he is our best player, and the one that separates us from good clubs like Tottenham, Milan, Arsenal etc. and makes us a great one. In this market we couldn't find a proper replacement as we wouldn't be able to afford one with City, Chelsea and Real Madrid having considerably more power.
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I'm not so sure 50m would cut it anymore to be honestr.If that ****** at Chelsea fetched 50m, I'd say Rooney is far in excess of that
 
Inigo Montoya said:
I'm not so sure 50m would cut it anymore to be honestr.If that ****** at Chelsea fetched 50m, I'd say Rooney is far in excess of that
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I think he would be around the same, perhaps a few per cent more. He's better than Torres but Torres has been hyped a lot. Between £50m and £60m I say, exactly where Kaka was back when he was good and signed for Real.
 
Through the early months of the year i've had my doubts about his future, but i don't think he's going anywhere now.

That goal against City seemed to be the start of his United career getting back on track.
 
Obviously every player has their price but it would take a huge offer.
 
I'd say SAF has always been willing to let a lot of things slide if the player is important enough, Cantona, Keane and now Rooney. It's only players who can be sacrified on the pitch who are sold if they step out of line. I don't see Rooney going anywhere.
 
I don't think we will sell Rooney.. Like I said back then this was planned.. Rooney held the club to ransom to get certain answers from the Glazers and although it was a risk.. It was for the better of the club at the end of the day..
 
Would be amazed if it happened. Fergie and Rooney seem to get on just as well, if not better than before now. You can tell by the training footage and before and after games.

As said above, I don't think Fergie would have fought so much to keep him here if he didn't want to keep him. I know he has sold big names in the past, but this is quite different.
 
We won't sell him. Despite the success we may enjoy, we are still in the process of integrating young talent into the team and with the likes of Nev, Edwin, and likely Scholes all departing in the summer, the last thing we need to do is lose any more established members of the squad. I think he'll spend the best years of his career here ie. until Fergie/future manager think he's past his peak.

Despite his excellent recent form, the whole thing has just left a sour taste in the mouth that I for one will never be totally rid of. The way I see him changed the day he threatened to leave and hid behind the fans legitimate concerns about the ownership of the club to try to protect his own image, and it won't change no matter what he achieves during the rest of his career at United. That's just my take on it all anyway.
 
His form in terms of goals and assists has dipped again since his West Ham hat trick - domestically speaking. He's still been scoring in Europe though. And his general performances have been good even though the goals/assists haven't been there in the league. Feel he's got one more big goal in him this season.

To answer the OP - he's going no where. He questioned Ferguson and has since backtracked.
 
He'll stay at Old Trafford. And that's good.
 
got to be the ronaldo type of money or else no go....
 
Feed Me said:
His form in terms of goals and assists has dipped again since his West Ham hat trick - domestically speaking. He's still been scoring in Europe though. And his general performances have been good even though the goals/assists haven't been there in the league. Feel he's got one more big goal in him this season.

To answer the OP - he's going no where. He questioned Ferguson and has since backtracked.
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His passing in the build up is ridiculous. Something that has improved massively.
 
No. Are we dumb? Rooneys happy, Sir Alex is happy....we're not a selling club.
 
No.

The only reason Ronaldo was sold was because he wanted to go, not because the money was too good to turn down.
 
Sarni said:
If a good offer, say £50m, came from some interested club we would accept it and leave it up to Rooney to decide whether to move or to stay. He has pretty much won the fans back with his performances lately and I cannot see us forcing him out as he is our best player, and the one that separates us from good clubs like Tottenham, Milan, Arsenal etc. and makes us a great one. In this market we couldn't find a proper replacement as we wouldn't be able to afford one with City, Chelsea and Real Madrid having considerably more power.
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If we were to sell him, which I really don't think we will now, it would take almost double that figure to convince Fergie to sell him imo, especially in the state that the transfer markets' 'valuations' are now.

Even if we were offered about £80m, is there any player out there that is realistically purchasable who could replace Rooney and the qualities he brings to our team? I can't think of one.
 
Only 3 or 4 teams can afford the bid to persuade United to sell Rooney and of those 4, only 1 would Ferguson even contemplate selling him to and could you imagine Rooney, a Scouse, speaking Spanish? :wenger:
 
Levi_Jm said:
Only 3 or 4 teams can afford the bid to persuade United to sell Rooney and of those 4, only 1 would Ferguson even contemplate selling him to and could you imagine Rooney, a Scouse, speaking Spanish? :wenger:
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Nevermind that, could you imagine someone with his skin-tone in the Spanish sun?
 
Levi_Jm said:
Only 3 or 4 teams can afford the bid to persuade United to sell Rooney and of those 4, only 1 would Ferguson even contemplate selling him to and could you imagine Rooney, a Scouse, speaking Spanish? :wenger:
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Thats true. There's no way Fergie will sell him to City or Chelsea. He'd rather let him rot in the reserves.

Real and Barca could both use him - neither have resolved their striker issues fully. He'd be successful there like he was for us last season though that probably wouldn't be the best use of his abilities. The withdrawn forward position which he seems to love is properly taken in both teams.

I don't think he's going anywhere.
 
Red-Indian said:
Thats true. There's no way Fergie will sell him to City or Chelsea. He'd rather let him rot in the reserves.

Real and Barca could both use him - neither have resolved their striker issues fully. He'd be successful there like he was for us last season though that probably wouldn't be the best use of his abilities. The withdrawn forward position which he seems to love is properly taken in both teams.

I don't think he's going anywhere.
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I didn't even count Barca because I don't think they'd be ga-ga enough to spend 70-100m on an English player no matter how good he is. I was thinking Chelsea, City, Real Madrid and possibly Inter Milan.


Dr. Dwayne said:
Nevermind that, could you imagine someone with his skin-tone in the Spanish sun?
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Once a blue, always a RED eh?:lol:
 
It really would make no sense to sell him now. Since the saga, he, Hernandez and Valencia have made us so much stronger. And along with Berbatov and Nani having good seasons, everything has begun to come together nicely for us. A fabulous partnership upfront with two players who look like they were born to play together and Rooney seeming to find his perfect role, something that has been speculated about in the past lots.

So no, I don't think it should happen purely looking at things from a footballing perspective and from the club's perspective, especially given the last 6 months, and it won't.

You really shouldn't sell one of your best players when things are going so well, unless your hand has been forced (Ronaldo).
 
amolbhatia100 said:
It really would make no sense to sell him now. Since the saga, he, Hernandez and Valencia have made us so much stronger. And along with Berbatov and Nani having good seasons, everything has begun to come together nicely for us. A fabulous partnership upfront with two players who look like they were born to play together and Rooney seeming to find his perfect role, something that has been speculated about in the past lots.

So no, I don't think it should happen purely looking at things from a footballing perspective and from the club's perspective, especially given the last 6 months, and it won't.

You really shouldn't sell one of your best players when things are going so well, unless your hand has been forced (Ronaldo).[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

A no doubt pertinent factor is the fact that he'd be unlikely to leave the PL. Despite being a find player he's not the most marketable so its unlikely Real would break the bank for him, added to that despite Spain being the only league comparable to the PL his playing style is a little "robust" for the European referees.

I personally think he never wanted or seriously contemplated leaving United and was badly advised by his agent to take it to the limit in negotiations.

At United he's playing in a top side, winning trophies and on his way to becoming a club legend. For me he's likely to end his career at Oldd Trafford.
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Even though Ferguson has apparently been ruthless with players in the past, he always has the club's best interest at heart (Stam is the only one he says he slightly regrets) so no matter what he thinks of Rooney as a man, as long as he's producing for United he will not sell him.
 
Rooney is more of a heartbeat to this current team than Ronaldo ever was. As the years progress the more influential he will be on the whole tempo of our game.
 
Nope, 1 can see from SAF's demeanor that his persuasion on getting Roon to stay wasn't fake. His relationship with Beckham/RvN was never the same after they questioned him, compare that to how fondly SAF speaks about Rooney & how it was a mistake & he had his head turned by agents, it's almost clear Rooney will stay.

He'll become the focal point of our team for many years & after the sacrifices Rooneys made to accommodate others over the years, it'll be deserved.
 
He has perhaps now found his best position on the pitch where he can operate at his devastating best, and we are going to have his best years of his peak at the club. Can't see Fergie even contemplating the thought of selling him if Rooney's happy to stay which i think he definitely is now.
 
think in the current market it would take something between £60-75m bid from a european team.

If he was to sign for Manchester City then you would probably be looking at the worlds first £100m deal, they would probably be willing to pay it aswell.
 
Rooney has become versitile for us. Can do a job for us in any attacking position these days. His ability to drop deep and try dictate the play has benefited us. Cant see him being sold, but I suppose every player has his price.
 
Im not so much talking in this thread about whether "were we offered the right money" etc but rather if Fergie will be looking at offloading Rooney in a similar fashion to Beckham/RvN and others whom he fell out with.
 
Walrus said:
Im not so much talking in this thread about whether "were we offered the right money" etc but rather if Fergie will be looking at offloading Rooney in a similar fashion to Beckham/RvN and others whom he fell out with.
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Not at all.

Beckham was actually a headache that getting rid off suited us. I'm not putting him down. Brilliant player for us but the hype had gotten out of hand slightly, he was past his prime and Ronaldo was a much bigger talent who needed game time anyway.

Ruud was an odd one. He made a big mistake and his attitude on the pitch stunk. He knows he made a mistake and I still love him for his time here. But it's different from Rooney in the sense that Rooney's head was straightened fairly quickly and as things stand he's doing extremely well on the pitch whereas we let Ruud go when his attitude was poor.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Not at all.

Beckham was actually a headache that getting rid off suited us. I'm not putting him down. Brilliant player for us but the hype had gotten out of hand slightly, he was past his prime and Ronaldo was a much bigger talent who needed game time anyway.
Ruud was an odd one. He made a big mistake and his attitude on the pitch stunk. He knows he made a mistake and I still love him for his time here. But it's different from Rooney in the sense that Rooney's head was straightened fairly quickly and as things stand he's doing extremely well on the pitch whereas we let Ruud go when his attitude was poor.
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While I agree Beckham was a bit of a headache and fergie was happy to let him go and he was happy to go I don't think any thought of Ronaldo needing game time was a factor in the deal, The Beckham deal was sanctioned before we signed Ronnie and my understanding is that we would probably preferred to sign him at a later date but a lot of other clubs was sniffing round, Ronaldo actually played a lot more than fergie would have wanted in the 2003/4 season due to the fact Solskjaer picked up a serious injury as he is the one who would have directly replaced Beckham as our winger that season.

But the 2 situations are very different.
 
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