Ronny Johnsen.

reddermo

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I am shocked and disgusted that United have shown Ronny Johnsen the door. fecking disgrace. :( :( :( :o :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :mad:

Ronny Johnsen was fantactic against Deportivo, and the treble year was Ronny at his finest.

feckING DISGRACE.
 
Originally posted by reddermo:
<strong>I am shocked and disgusted that United have shown Ronny Johnsen the door. fecking disgrace. :( :( :( :o :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :mad:

Ronny Johnsen was fantactic against Deportivo, and the treble year was Ronny at his finest.

feckING DISGRACE.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So it's sensible to pay someone a lot of money to lie on the treatment table is it? He was great for United, but has been a liabilaty for quite a while now.
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Ronny had his injury problems and certainly more so this season than ever before. I just wonder whether this latest one was in anyway related to his jumpers knee problem that kept him out for so long. If it was then the decision to let him go is fair. If it wasn't then I'd be disappointed if I were him. It could be said that aside for the jumpers knee problem that this seasons injuries were bad luck in that case. I'd like to have seen him given a year contract was that the case. Of course we don't know enough. As it is Ronny deserves all our thanks for the part he played in our success over the years. Top player, top bloke.
 
He's played his part in United's recent success, but it's time to move on.It's the natural order of things, and he will have some great memories to take with him.

He never let anyone down, and did the job asked of him, to the best of his ability.No one could ever ask for more, I wish him the best of luck in the future.

Cheers Ronny.
 
Sad to see Ronny go but how many games has he played in the last 3 seasons ??
 
Gutted. :(

Surely he could have had a contract linked to the number of games he was able to play or something.

I didn't hear David May's name mentioned - he's been injured more/longer than Ronny I would have thought.
 
Gutted. :(

Surely he could have had a contract linked to the number of games he was able to play or something.

I didn't hear David May's name mentioned - he's been injured more/longer than Ronny I would have thought.
 
There's nothing disgraceful about the way United 'treated Johnsen'. One of the best players to have been hampered by injuries in recent seasons, but we couldn't really rely on him. He knew he'd have to prove his fitness (not his ability, which was proven) to get a new contract and it hasn't happened.

Obviously Fergie felt it was time to move on, and as much as I like Johnsen, he's probably right. Who knows, a player not back from yet another injury might have saved that Neuville goal in Leverkusen. One thing is certain, we can't count on Ronny as a first team player (unless we want to constantly change the defence again) while there's no point in having a reserve player who's always out anyway.

I don't think a 'pay as you play' contract would really have suited United footballing wise. Nostalgia yes, but not the football. Time to move on...

May will probably be released as well, although I haven't a clue as to why that was not announced. Maybe he was forgotten. ;)
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>It could be said that aside for the jumpers knee problem that this seasons injuries were bad luck in that case.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He's had all sorts of foot injury since he joined, they just intensified year by year. Knee, Hernia, hamstring, you name it he's had it. Bad luck? Any injury is, but Ronny is just injury-prone and it's not going to get better.
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I've just read that United offered Ronny a one year extension but understandably this wasn't what he's looking for bearing in mind he's coming to the end of his career. I have to say though that in light of all his injuries it'll be a brave club that takes him on.
 
When he has played, he has been brilliant. I am sure he will be missed, because he is a class player. However, he rarely plays, and if this is best for the club, then so be it.
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>I've just read that United offered Ronny a one year extension but understandably this wasn't what he's looking for bearing in mind he's coming to the end of his career. I have to say though that in light of all his injuries it'll be a brave club that takes him on.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Source?

I doubt it. Ronny's never played for a top team and he's unlikely to get an offer from a club the size of United ever again. Somehow I think he would have taken a one year deal too, if it was offered.
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Sorry for doubting you Dans ;)

Onefootball:
And he revealed on Saturday that he had decided to leave Old Trafford after the club only offered him a one-year contract. "I want my next contract to be my last one and one year is not long enough. I have a few years left of my career," he added.
 
I think that Johnsen has been a liability this season, and I for one am gratful for his services in the past, but there is no sentimentality at the top of the game. I hope he can continue to play, knowing City, they will put in a bid for him.

Stand up O'Shea and be counted
 
Sad to see him go, good luck Ronny. Can still do a jon for a Premiership side, although I have a strange feeling Kevin Keegan is going to sign him. <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> :(
 
Don't know how wise it was to make it public that he'll be let to leave. Was clear from before that we needed defenders, we sold stam, brought in one who might retire after this season. Now we release one and we're - 2 and our main problems this season have been defensive. Now when we go in for a player it's quite clear that the sums that will be asked will get OTT immediately when we get involved. Not exactly the buyers market when your in for top class defenders.
 
Gotta say that I'm shocked, and I hope that Houllier buys him as a backup for us. :D

I think it's safe to say that Ferguson has got something up his sleeve, and I imagine any disappointment now will be more than tempered by whoever it is.

Hey, maybe Stam is coming back? Perhaps he's moving Silvestre to the centre and putting the lesser Neville sister on the left? :D

Seriously, expect a decent player in his place; and while I haven't seen much of O'Shea, alot of my Manc loving friends rate him very highly.
 
Originally posted by reddermo:
<strong>I am shocked and disgusted that United have shown Ronny Johnsen the door. fecking disgrace. </strong><hr></blockquote>

The only disgrace was that he was brought back into the team in the first place, theres no way he would have been brought back that early had he had 2 years to go on his contract but he was brought back in so he could 'earn' a new contract at the expense of the emerging o'shea. Now thats a disgrace. Johnsen should have been sold last year and many fans including myself said so at the time. fergies loyalies to irwin and johnsen have cost us this season imo.
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Originally posted by zippy:
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fergies loyalies to irwin and johnsen have cost us this season imo.</strong><hr></blockquote>

His loyalties to those two, his sale of Stam, his insistance of 4-5-1, his insistance on Veron, bla, bla bla.

Basically I wonder how we weren't relegated if we've made so many horrible choices!
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Originally posted by zippy:
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fergies loyalies to irwin and johnsen have cost us this season imo.</strong><hr></blockquote>

How did you work this out then?

o'shea is untested at the highest level, you can't possibly claim that he would have been any guarantee for success. That he's one of the most promising young players does not necessarily mean that he has the standard required at top level.
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Originally posted by Amir:
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His loyalties to those two, his sale of Stam, his insistance of 4-5-1, his insistance on Veron, bla, bla bla.

Basically I wonder how we weren't relegated if we've made so many horrible choices!</strong><hr></blockquote>

The way i see it is that fergie made mostly good choices, but the few bad choices he made were made at key points in the season and were the difference between having a decent season (which we have) and actually winning a trophy.

I personally think the pressures of trying to handle everything himself helped cloud his judgement at times and hopefully fergie knows excatly how to reorganse for next year.

I think we had a bit of bad luck in some of the games we lost, most of which were only by a goal, we were certainly unlucky in the leverkusen game when forlans shot was cleared off the line. Blanc took a little bit of time to bed into the team and there were a couple of games where we didnt pay enough respect to our opponents and it cost us points (derby, middlesbough).

All in all i think the future is looking good for us. Fergie will probably bring in a new face or two, we have some excellent youngsters coming through again (o'shea, stewart etc) and the motivation of having our crown taken from us in our own back yard.

I dont think we'l be going easy on any team next year and hopefully sweet revenge will be ours.
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Originally posted by AhmedDimwitson:
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How did you work this out then?

o'shea is untested at the highest level, you can't possibly claim that he would have been any guarantee for success. That he's one of the most promising young players does not necessarily mean that he has the standard required at top level.</strong><hr></blockquote>

O'shea came in for a couple of games and didnt put a foot wrong, in fact he looked a natural back there. imo he should have been left in the team until he made a mistake or his form dropped, this season was the perfect oppertunity to give him some valuable experience. The way i see it is that if a player comes into the team challenging for a position and does well, then he has won his place until his form drops.
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Originally posted by zippy:
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O'shea came in for a couple of games and didnt put a foot wrong, in fact he looked a natural back there. imo he should have been left in the team until he made a mistake or his form dropped, this season was the perfect oppertunity to give him some valuable experience. The way i see it is that if a player comes into the team challenging for a position and does well, then he has won his place until his form drops.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Indeed, you got to earn your place and you do that in training and in games, and it's the manager you have to impress. This is not a charity organization, the best play and SAF is the one who calls the shots.

As you said, this season would have been the perfect time for his breakthrough, we've had defensive problems. Has he? No, he has not and the reason is quite clear, the management who work with the players don't think he's good enough YET. If he'd added any value he would have played.
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Originally posted by zippy:
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O'shea came in for a couple of games and didnt put a foot wrong, in fact he looked a natural back there. imo he should have been left in the team until he made a mistake or his form dropped, this season was the perfect oppertunity to give him some valuable experience. The way i see it is that if a player comes into the team challenging for a position and does well, then he has won his place until his form drops.</strong><hr></blockquote>

O'Shea was in the team until he was injured for a month. Gary Neville came into the center and eventually, when Ronny was fit, he did, because let's face it, the Blanc-Johnsen partnership was simply the best we've had.

It's very easy to say 'let's throe O'Shea into the deep' and hope he'll have done the job for us in Europe after a few league matches, but that would not have been fair on the lad.
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Not fair? the only thing not fair is that he came in, did well and was then dropped for no other reason than Johnsen was playing for a contract.

Ferguson has all but admitted playing johnsen was a mistake, that why hes toast now... it is obvious that fergies loyalties to johnsen were the motivation behind bringing him back.

There comes a time when you have to let a player go, had johnsen been a new player, no matter how good his skills were he would have been let go, we persisted with johnsen out of loyalty. there also comes a time when you have to give youth a chance, they only way to test whether they can do the business in the first team is to give them a run, the worst thing that can happen is their form drops and so they go back to the reserves for a while, weve done it with brown so why not with o'shea?

Come to think of it didnt we win the league one year playing with nothing but 'kids'....
 
Its the right thing to do. It may seem unfair to treat him this way, but at the end of the day, its best for the team for him to move on.

Im not disputing that Ronny is and has been a great servent to the club. But, the injuries have palgued his career.

I think its time for him to move over, and make way for O'Shea, or any new signings that Fergie may be eyeing-up.
 
As much as i am pro O'shea and dont think johnsen should have been brought back in i still feel he could have played some part for us as a backup. surley it is better to be a backup at manchester united than to try and be a first teamer somewhere else only to end up spending half the season injured again?...

I dont know who made the desision he was leaving but i would be surprised if it was fergie, i suspect fergie broke the news to him that he cant gaurantee him a first team place any more even when he's fit and johnsen decided that he may get more playing time elsewhere. shame, as a backup he would have been fine.

Did he ever get a testimonial?.
 
I feel sorry for Johnsen but I'm not surprised by this decision. Even when two months ago when Johnsen was back in the team and people started to discuss whether he will get a new contract, I've said that "If he can finally put out a consistent performance until the end of the season, I think he will earn a new contract." However he has fell down again after a few matches, just like what was continueous happening in these three years. Fergie is right that defence need to be stable.

Someone mentioned about Roney should stay as a backup. But firstly I think O'Shea will be good enough to become our backup CB next season. Secondly what's the use to us when the starting CB is injured and you want to find your backup CB, you're very likely to find him in treatment room as well?
 
Whatever anyone says, he would have been useful in 2002/03. With a full summer to rest, Johnsen / Blanc would have been good back-up. Now we definately need two / three defenders.
 
Originally posted by Hornchurch Red:
<strong>I think that Johnsen has been a liability this season, and I for one am gratful for his services in the past, but there is no sentimentality at the top of the game. I hope he can continue to play, knowing City, they will put in a bid for him.

Stand up O'Shea and be counted</strong><hr></blockquote>

Liability my arse!

Nice try dipper but not good enough

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Originally posted by nd:
<strong>Gotta say that I'm shocked, and I hope that Houllier buys him as a backup for us. :D

I think it's safe to say that Ferguson has got something up his sleeve, and I imagine any disappointment now will be more than tempered by whoever it is.

Hey, maybe Stam is coming back? Perhaps he's moving Silvestre to the centre and putting the lesser Neville sister on the left? :D

Seriously, expect a decent player in his place; and while I haven't seen much of O'Shea, alot of my Manc loving friends rate him very highly.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well were not rating you bindipper NOW fcuk off
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Originally posted by zippy:
<strong>Not fair? the only thing not fair is that he came in, did well and was then dropped for no other reason than Johnsen was playing for a contract.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I suppose you don't really want to listen... He played against West Ham, Derby and started against Middlesbrough, were he was injured and out for a month.

So he wasn't dropped for Johnsen or something.
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I agree that its ashame that Ronny is leaving but i think that the way in which he is being left go is not right. Denis Irwin was given a great send off against Charlton and i think the same should of been done for johnsen. Granted he has not been with the club as long as Irwin but in his time there he served the club brillantly especially during the treble season where he put off having the knee operation(IMO due to pressure by SAF)so he could play and give man utd a better chance which infairness he did, it is also my opinion that because of this johnsen is lets be honest being "forced" to leave as he has never fully recovered from it and so i def think he deserved better treatment from not only the club but also the manager. Thanks for everything Ronny,
 
One thing to be said about Ronny is that he ruined his knees playing on for us in the treble season when he should have stopped and got operations. He didn't because he wanted to do the treble with United. I remember when he did get his operations at the end of that season there was a quote from the surgeon saying something like that he couldn't believe that Ronny was playing with such bad knees. The point is we owe him a lot of gratitude for that. Still I can't imagine that it would have been in the interests of the club to offer more than a one year contract. Surely any player with that much injury problems would accept that as a fair offer ??
 
well, maybe now he can concentrate on his singing career with Steps!

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....but seriously, he has been an outstanding buy for utd and has served us as well as any player....Good Luck Ronny! :)
 
Originally posted by RedBelly:
<strong>Still I can't imagine that it would have been in the interests of the club to offer more than a one year contract. Surely any player with that much injury problems would accept that as a fair offer ??</strong><hr></blockquote>

One wonders how much of that was 'contract' or Alex telling Johnsen he wasn't building on him as a regular first teamer. We know what Ronny said, but who knows if thats 100% true. I doubt United keenly offered him a one year deal and he said no, which was that.
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Thanks for everything Ronny - you are a superb player and was always a credit to Man United!

I do however feel Man United has done the right thing though. They could do nothing elese than offer hima one year contract, considering his injuries. And fair play to Ronny, this is an article from VG, the biggest newspaper in Norway:

"Agent Rune Hauge believes Ronny Johnsen will end up in another big club after his adventure at Man United is over.

The clubs interested are from huge football nations, although I can't tell the names, says Hauge.

An extention of his Old Trafford career was Johnsen's main priority. but, he wanted a longer contract than the one-year contract he was offered.

'One year was not enough for me. I wanted at least two more years at United,' says Ronny Johnsen.

The injury-hit bloke from Stokke is now a Bosman player. This means he can freely pick his club. But where Johnsen will end up playing next season is unclear accroding to himself.

'I am open to all possibilities, and sees the change of clubs as a huge challenge,' Johnsen says.

'Would you prefer to continue playing in the premier league?'

'Let's wait and see. I'm not closing any doors. But I'll prefer to play in a league at the highest level. It's got to be in Europe, but I won't be returning to Turkey,' Johnsen says.

It's Johnsen's injuries that forced him out of United. After six years in the club, where he won the Champions League, the FA-Cup and Premier League (three times), it was definitely over last Saturday. The United-manager Alex Ferguson wants stability in the most important positions - and will buy a new centre half.

'I had a very nice meeting with Ferguson. He was impressed with what I have done at United. But he couldn't accept my contract demands, and because of that it was just as well to part company as friends.

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer reckons Johnsen must be very critical when he choses a new club. According to his United team mate it's got to be another club in the Premier League. Or good teams in Spain or Italy.

'It's got to be loads of interest in such a quality player. Ronny has played alot of great games in Europe,' Solskjaer says.

Cheers for everything Jonny Rohnsen ;)
 
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