Ronaldo vs Mbappe

Ronaldo. If we can have the last 2-3 years of h is best football we'll almost certainly win a PL title and challenge for the CL. I'd much rather that than M'bappe who isn't as good and would just use us as a stepping stone to Real Madrid.
 
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gaucho_10 said:
So the theory is that Madrid don't have enough money to buy Mbappe so the have to sell Ronaldo to get him?

Only salty English press can come up with that nonsense.


I understand that your post talks of another topic, so this comment is not aimed at you, but the theory behind it is ridiculous and if Ronaldo walks it will not be because the club needs the money to fund Mbappe signing.
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Yeah, ridiculous theory. Madrid would probably be happy to sell off a player like Morata to raise funds but there's absolutely no way they sell Ronaldo for the purposes of funding Mbappe. They might sell him due to him wanting out, but that's about it. If push came to shove, I reckon they'd be able to buy Mbappe without any real big money sales even.
 
BenjaminP said:
If Ronaldo actually do come, I already see people complaining to offload 'declined' Ronaldo in order to make space for youngsters to come in (Mbappe) and to decrease our wage budget for other star player to come in. This is going to be another Rooney discussion we're having, in 2-3 years.
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A bit of an exaggeration I think, I cant imagine Ronaldo declining to the level Rooney has within 3 years. But whether in three years he will be worth the salary we could agree to pay him this summer, I agree, is definitely debatable.

Whatever happens I hope Woodward has learned from the Rooney debacle and thinks through whatever contract he might decide to offer Ronaldo.
 
BenjaminP said:
Several years? He's already showing decline.
Regardless of his contributions for winning the league and CL, we all know he doesn't have many years left.

Investing in declining value asset? Thats just not good business.
Investing in certain increasing value asset, which the limit of his is still unknown? Thats a MUST BUY investment plus excitement.

People who are leaning towards Ronaldo:
1. Short sighted
2. Don't rate Mbappe as one of the best potential youngsters.
3. Overvaluing Ronaldo's future value.
or all three.

If Ronaldo actually do come, I already see people complaining to offload 'declined' Ronaldo in order to make space for youngsters to come in (Mbappe) and to decrease our wage budget for other star player to come in. This is going to be another Rooney discussion we're having, in 2-3 years.
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How about none of the 3 ? Thank you for trying to be in my mind....
Yes several years, he may have change dhis game but he'll score goals anyway. That's the only guarantee you have and goals are unvaluable aspect of football.
I'd love Mbappé, Ronaldo would just be better at the moment.
 
RC89 said:
Yeah, ridiculous theory. Madrid would probably be happy to sell off a player like Morata to raise funds but there's absolutely no way they sell Ronaldo for the purposes of funding Mbappe. They might sell him due to him wanting out, but that's about it. If push came to shove, I reckon they'd be able to buy Mbappe without any real big money sales even.
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Easily. Their net spend the last couple of seasons has been very low and they are by any metric the second richest club in the world with incoming new shirt deal in 2018 and back to back CL's. If they sell Ronaldo it is because he wants to leave.
 
People who are leaning towards Ronaldo:
1. Short sighted
2. Don't rate Mbappe as one of the best potential youngsters.
3. Overvaluing Ronaldo's future value.
or all three.
kouroux said:
How about none of the 3 ? Thank you for trying to be in my mind....
Yes several years, he may have change dhis game but he'll score goals anyway. That's the only guarantee you have and goals are unvaluable aspect of football.
I'd love Mbappé, Ronaldo would just be better at the moment.
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For you, 1 and 3 indeed.
I agree goals are invaluable aspect, but sacrificing other aspects just for goals isn't good enough. People argued against Chicharito because of the same reason that he wasn't doing enough on our build ups to be our starting forward. Also with Ronaldo's constant moaning reactions toward his teammates would definitely undermine team spirit. You highlighted Ronaldo's goal scoring value, but I seem it is just little overvalued considering other aspects.

And yes Ronaldo would be a better choice at the moment. But thats just "at the moment". We have to think long term and plan about how to win CL, not just the league. That is our ultimate goal, winning the league and CL as Man Utd. Yes Ronaldo may help us to win PL this or next year, but do we currently have strong enough squad to win CL? It's debatable, but I would say not currently. I would rather work on improving the squad in order to win CL in 2-3 year time, and I genuinely believe with improvements of our youngsters and few transfers, we have a good chance. That would be a bad time to worry about offloading declined Ronaldo.
 
Teams that forever talk about 5yr plans end up with feck all.
 
sglowrider said:
del Bosque and Ancelotti both says hello!
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Del Bosque wasn't even Perez's guy, Ancelotti was sacked mostly because Bale had a bad season

Zidane's relationship with Perez is completely different, can't be compared at all. The socios aren't nearly as trigger happy as people think, if it were up to them Ancelotti would have stayed. It's all Perez, which is why Zidane will be manager for as long as the team is competitive, the fans want him, and he wants the job. And the fans aren't a problem so long as the team is competitive in the short term, even if we don't win anything for a couple years
 
BenjaminP said:
I would go for Mbappe every time - you are virtually guaranteed with Ronaldo's decline in few years - you are guaranteed increasing value of Mbappe as he is currently one of the top prospects in World football, which Ronaldo once were.
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You are not guaranteed that at all. It's equally likely that he has had a 6 month purple patch which he might never replicate. none of us know how good he will be yet.
 
BenjaminP said:
People who are leaning towards Ronaldo:
1. Short sighted
2. Don't rate Mbappe as one of the best potential youngsters.
3. Overvaluing Ronaldo's future value.
or all three.


For you, 1 and 3 indeed.
I agree goals are invaluable aspect, but sacrificing other aspects just for goals isn't good enough. People argued against Chicharito because of the same reason that he wasn't doing enough on our build ups to be our starting forward. Also with Ronaldo's constant moaning reactions toward his teammates would definitely undermine team spirit. You highlighted Ronaldo's goal scoring value, but I seem it is just little overvalued considering other aspects.

And yes Ronaldo would be a better choice at the moment. But thats just "at the moment". We have to think long term and plan about how to win CL, not just the league. That is our ultimate goal, winning the league and CL as Man Utd. Yes Ronaldo may help us to win PL this or next year, but do we currently have strong enough squad to win CL? It's debatable, but I would say not currently. I would rather work on improving the squad in order to win CL in 2-3 year time, and I genuinely believe with improvements of our youngsters and few transfers, we have a good chance. That would be a bad time to worry about offloading declined Ronaldo.
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We don't see it the same way, long term plan doesn't mean a short term solution shouldn't be considered at the same time, specially when it is a damn good solution like this. Zlatan was a short term purchase, it helped us get the CL which will help us in the long term and then we discarded him. Obviously one was free and the other would cost a lot of money so different situations but just saying that both plans can be worked out at the same time.

It is all a moot point tbh, Ronaldo will not leave Real Madrid and Mbappé will never come to a team like ours when (much) better teams are pursuing him

balaks said:
You are not guaranteed that at all. It's equally likely that he has had a 6 month purple patch which he might never replicate. none of us know how good he will be yet.
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I rate him very highly tbh, one of best talents in a long time but what you said cannot be stressed enough. There is stilll some uncertainty regarding him
 
giorno said:
Del Bosque wasn't even Perez's guy, Ancelotti was sacked mostly because Bale had a bad season

Zidane's relationship with Perez is completely different, can't be compared at all. The socios aren't nearly as trigger happy as people think, if it were up to them Ancelotti would have stayed. It's all Perez, which is why Zidane will be manager for as long as the team is competitive, the fans want him, and he wants the job. And the fans aren't a problem so long as the team is competitive in the short term, even if we don't win anything for a couple years
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It doesnt help that Zidane was an ex-player?

Btw how is actually doing as a manager? Tough to tell with the galaxy of talent that you have.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
One for now, maybe 3-5 years absolute max. Or one for up to 15-17 years.
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It isnt that easy. Firstly even if we sign Mbappe there is no way he is staying that long. We all know Madrid will come calling and he WILL leave. Secondly we are talking about the best player in the world who isnt exactly in his prime yet can score 35-40 goals a season. That is how good he STILL is. Scoring 35 goals for a striker would be considered prime years for that player but not Ronaldo. He scores that much a season in his sleep. I think ATM Ronaldo will help us more than Mbappe since he is proven and can contribute straight away. We are straight contenders if get Ronaldo. The same cant be said if we get Mbappe. We will still be talking about being a year or two away from winning the league.
 
sglowrider said:
It doesnt help that Zidane was an ex-player?

Btw how is actually doing as a manager? Tough to tell with the galaxy of talent that you have.
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It helps that he's an ex-legend, but his relationship with Perez helps more

He's won 2 CL and 1 League title in 1 season and 1/2, so he's doing well, i'd say :D
 
RDCR07 said:
It isnt that easy. Firstly even if we sign Mbappe there is no way he is staying that long. We all know Madrid will come calling and he WILL leave. Secondly we are talking about the best player in the world who isnt exactly in his prime yet can score 35-40 goals a season. That is how good he STILL is. Scoring 35 goals for a striker would be considered prime years for that player but not Ronaldo. He scores that much a season in his sleep. I think ATM Ronaldo will help us more than Mbappe since he is proven and can contribute straight away. We are straight contenders if get Ronaldo. The same cant be said if we get Mbappe. We will still be talking about being a year or two away from winning the league.
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I don't disagree about the obvious point of Ronaldo being better now and for the next 3 years, but after that point the tide could change and there is no guarantee that Madrid can keep taking our players. Although that being said in this case Mbappe has said he wants Madrid so it does become a moot point if a thread, just interesting as a principle point.
 
Sanches did a good half year at Benfica and everybody tried to buy him then Mbappe had a good season and he wasn't the best player for Monaco and people are ready to pay 100 million....:wenger:
 
barros said:
Sanches did a good half year at Benfica and everybody tried to buy him then Mbappe had a good season and he wasn't the best player for Monaco and people are ready to pay 100 million....:wenger:
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I am not sure anybody really thought Sanches has the same potential as Mbappe. No midfielder really can have the same potential as a pacey talented forward. The former are usually parts of great teams, the latter are game changers. I am not saying that Mbappe will become one but he at least has a chance of becoming one.
 
Surprised this is even a question. We need guaranteed goals.

Ronaldo will only get worse now but he will still be way beyond any other player (Messi excluded) for the next couple of years.

Mbappe has performed reasonably well for 6 months. He has had some good Champions League games but otherwise it's been in a second/third tier league and with many of the goals coming in routs of cannon fodder teams like Bastia. The hype is unprecedented. If he's still performing in another year or two then it's worth looking at him.
 
The objective point that Mbappe would probably leave after 3-4 season reduces the cons of signing Ronaldo to the very minimum.
 
broccoli said:
The objective point that Mbappe would probably leave after 3-4 season reduces the cons of signing Ronaldo to the very minimum.
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This makes the most sense. Mbappe wouldn't stay at United for long, and I think overall Ronaldo would be more bang for your buck but I would be very surprised if he even leaves Madrid, let alone to come back to Manchester United. I just can't see him going anywhere.
 
Would prefer Ronaldo because we need trophies NOW, not 3yrs down the line and Ronaldo is on a different level to Mbappe atm.

Real are going to have both soon, cnuts :mad:
 
balaks said:
I would go for Ronaldo every time - you are virtually guaranteed success if you sign him for a few years - you are guaranteed absolutely nothing if you sign Mbappe as it's way too early for anyone to know how he will turn out yet.
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Not really, what if he tears his ACL and MCL? Remind you of someone who is usually injury free?
 
SuperiorXI said:
Not really, what if he tears his ACL and MCL? Remind you of someone who is usually injury free?
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That's true for any player. Comparisons between 2 signings would be impossible if one has to factor in career threatening injuries
 
I don't think this whole Mbappe situation is good for football. This is not a personal attack on him but I can't help but foresee huge unintended consequences of signing a teenager for that kind of money. And I don't want us to be a part of it. And I am sure many Club owners and stakeholders feel the same. the only people who probably don't are Agents rubbing their hands together.

Scenario A. Someone signs him for 130million and he succeeds by handling the pressure/priecetag and develops into one of the greats. HOWEVER this means his valuation nearer his prime is going to be in the Trillions. What does that do to the rest of the market? Also it means that absolutely astronomical valuations will be placed on other teenage talent to discover the 'next Mbappe'. Almost all will fail because young talent is fickle. It is also a great way to screw up a kids development even if the talent is there. Just look and the sensible careeer pathways of many of the greats. In todays market top teenage talent should be sold for under 60million max, and just before their primes getting up to 130 if they are a proven commodity. Doing it the other way around will feck up everything.

Scenario B. He is signed and it fecks up his development. The market will still go crazy for a few years even if he relatively underachieves. It also ruins a great talent.

Scenario C. He is a total disaster because young talent is fickle. This settles things down pretty quicky.

Personally I would rather football avoids any scenario that doesn't either mess up the market or the careers of many young players (including Mbappe). I hate what is happening at the moment over this player.
 
Ronaldo - One of two (other Messi) player of his generation
Mpabbe - Done nothing yet (almost)
 
People are expecting Mbappe to develop into a Ballon D'or winner just like they did with Martial, and several other youngsters previously.
 
Moby said:
People are expecting Mbappe to develop into a Ballon D'or winner just like they did with Martial, and several other youngsters previously.
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He might finish in the top 10 of Ballon D'Or voting this year. So is not as far off as you might think.
 
11101 said:
Surprised this is even a question. We need guaranteed goals.

Ronaldo will only get worse now but he will still be way beyond any other player (Messi excluded) for the next couple of years.

Mbappe has performed reasonably well for 6 months. He has had some good Champions League games but otherwise it's been in a second/third tier league and with many of the goals coming in routs of cannon fodder teams like Bastia. The hype is unprecedented. If he's still performing in another year or two then it's worth looking at him.
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Agree with this.

Mbappe could develop into a player who scores 30 goals a season consistently.

Ronaldo is a player that scores 50 goals a season consistently. Even all time greats of the game struggle to match those numbers. Suarez, Lewandowski, the top number 9s in the game can't even keep up with Ronaldo.

Ronaldo is significantly above any footballer besides Messi. Its silly to call any emerging talent the next Ronaldo. Nobody has emerged in the last decade who looks likely to match the kind of numbers Messi and Ronaldo put in year in year out. Once Ronaldo and Messi retire its unlikely anyone will be banging in 40 goals a season year on year, while dominating the Champions League etc. They're the exception not the rule.
 
#07 said:
Agree with this.

Mbappe could develop into a player who scores 30 goals a season consistently.

Ronaldo is a player that scores 50 goals a season consistently. Even all time greats of the game struggle to match those numbers. Suarez, Lewandowski, the top number 9s in the game can't even keep up with Ronaldo.

Ronaldo is significantly above any footballer besides Messi. Its silly to call any emerging talent the next Ronaldo. Nobody has emerged in the last decade who looks likely to match the kind of numbers Messi and Ronaldo put in year in year out. Once Ronaldo and Messi retire its unlikely anyone will be banging in 40 goals a season year on year, while dominating the Champions League etc. They're the exception not the rule.
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Agree also. I see a very talented 18 year old. But I do not see the same game or talent as Ronaldo or Messi. At least not yet but still I doubt it. But of course he could develop into a player the tier below them. 130million at this point in his career is ridiculous.

I am sure most club owners feel the same.
 
Ronaldo, all day long. It's irrelevant anyway as you can bet your sweet mbippy that we won't get either.
 
Cliche Guevara said:
I want us to sign Ronaldo, but if this was an actual opportunity then it would have to be Mbappe. He's going to be World Class very soon and if we could sign him today for £120m then we should. No question.
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You want us to pay one hundred and twenty millions pounds for an unproven, hyped up 18 year old?????? Football has gone mad.
 
Claymore said:
You want us to pay one hundred and twenty millions pounds for an unproven, hyped up 18 year old?????? Football has gone mad.
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Yes, absolutely. He's brilliant and will prove to be more than worth the money within two seasons.

There is plenty of money in football now, and we can afford it, so why not.
 
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