Ronaldinho: the greatest entertainer...

top1whoisman said:
There’s choosing the lesser evil (in their opinion) and voting for them and then there’s publicly supporting a candidate, posing in photos with them etc.

A ”good” person in this scenario would use his platform to push for better candidates and calling out the issues with the available ones.

And that’s without going into the shenanigans around his imprisonment and release from the Paraguayan prison.
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Yeah, uhh, this is Brazil, it's not going to happen unless you want to get yourself bin-bagged and black-vanned by the military. I've spent some time with the Brazilian military figures, absolute knob-head nutjobs who have an very strong grip on the politics of the country. Barring systemic change due to mass civic unrest, this is not likely to change.

I put Ronaldinho firmly in the, "dumb footballer who never had a formal education" category, as opposed to being a horrible person. The Paraguay shite proves that imo.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
I put Ronaldinho firmly in the, "dumb footballer who never had a formal education" category, as opposed to being a horrible person. The Paraguay shite proves that imo.
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Agreed. I have no idea how one of the most recognizable, unique-looking people in the world thought he could get away with entering another country on a fake passport. :lol:
 
AfonsoAlves said:
Yeah, uhh, this is Brazil, it's not going to happen unless you want to get yourself bin-bagged and black-vanned by the military. I've spent some time with the Brazilian military figures, absolute knob-head nutjobs who have an very strong grip on the politics of the country. Barring systemic change due to mass civic unrest, this is not likely to change.

I put Ronaldinho firmly in the, "dumb footballer who never had a formal education" category, as opposed to being a horrible person. The Paraguay shite proves that imo.
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That’s fair enough. What Bolsonaro did to buy Ronaldinho’s public support was corrupt as feck though. But I guess it’s hard to find candidates who wouldn’t be.

Systemic changes have happened in many countries and sometimes you need brave public figures to start them, but yeah I’m well aware it’s not that easy and simple in a lot of countries.
 
top1whoisman said:
That’s fair enough. What Bolsonaro did to buy Ronaldinho’s public support was corrupt as feck though. But I guess it’s hard to find candidates who wouldn’t be.

Systemic changes have happened in many countries and sometimes you need brave public figures to start them, but yeah I’m well aware it’s not that easy and simple in a lot of countries.
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Yeah put it this way, if I were Brazilian and Bolsonaro asked me to endorse him publically - I would do it for free. Why? Terrifying man, his pseudo-fascist views and the power he wields with the Military makes me never want to cross him.

Though I doubt Ronaldinho ran that thought process through his mind.
 
The most naturally talented footballer ever IMO but as a person he's a certified moron. He also supported Bolsonaro.
 
He's right. No samba footballers in Brazil NT right now with no Neymar. Vini need to start turning it on for the national team.
 
Fenomeno9 said:
I take less talented Brazilian teams that played with heart over that 2006 fiasco.
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The 2006 Brazil team was wild.

It was -on paper- probably the strongest national team ever assembled.

The starting line up was:

---------------------- Dida -----------------------
Cafu --- Lucio --- Juan -- Roberto Carlos
-------- Emerson --- Ze Roberto -------
------ Kaka ------------------- Ronaldinho
---------- Adriano -- Ronaldo ---------

3 Ballon d'Or winners in there, plus one of the most intimidating strikers ever, two contenders for the best full backs of all time, and amazing defensive players and work horses to add.

If each of these players what at his best, this team would be unstoppable.

But in reality they underperformed badly.

To be fair to them, they did have some good games like the second half again Japan and the knockout tie again Ghana, and it took Zidane's brilliant performance to knock them out. However the expectations going in the tournament were massive, they were seen as clear cut favourites, and they disappointed everybody.

I remember this was the first time people saw Ronaldinho as human again, as before that, despite some inconsistent form that season, he used to deliver in big games in Barcelona and had just come of winning the Champions League against Arsenal.

This WC also cemented the downfalls of Adriano and Ronaldo, who were no longer seen as elite players afterwards.

However I think that despite this team being seen as a fiasco, I honestly think that this was still a better Brazil than any team that came afterwards. Despite the poor form of key players, they were still very defensively solid and if it wasn't for that Zidane pass to Henry, they might have knocked out France on penalties. Going out losing 0-1 to that France team is no shame, it was much less of an embarrassment than the ways in which the future teams going out of WC. From my memory Lucio was a total beast on that tournament. So as badly as they underperformed, I would still take that Brazil team over any other that came afterwards. For example there's no way this team loses 7-1 to Germany or wastes a lead to Croatia. Just too much defensive talent and experience in there.
 
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He was by far the most entertaining footballer I have seen in my time watching football.. no one else comes even close..
absolute joy to watch.
 
LA BOMBA said:
The 2006 Brazil team was wild.

It was -on paper- probably the strongest national team ever assembled.

The starting line up was:

---------------------- Dida -----------------------
Cafu --- Lucio --- Juan -- Roberto Carlos
-------- Emerson --- Ze Roberto -------
------ Kaka ------------------- Ronaldinho
---------- Adriano -- Ronaldo ---------

3 Ballon d'Or winners in there, plus one of the most intimidating strikers ever, two contenders for the best full backs of all time, and amazing defensive players and work horses to add.

If each of these players what at his best, this team would be unstoppable.

But in reality they underperformed badly.

To be fair to them, they did have some good games like the second half again Japan and the knockout tie again Ghana, and it took Zidane's brilliant performance to knock them out. However the expectations going in the tournament were massive, they were seen as clear cut favourites, and they disappointed everybody.

I remember this was the first time people saw Ronaldinho as human again, as before that, despite some inconsistent form that season, he used to deliver in big games in Barcelona and had just come of winning the Champions League against Arsenal.

This WC also cemented the downfalls of Adriano and Ronaldo, who were no longer seen as elite players afterwards.

However I think that despite this team being seen as a fiasco, I honestly think that this was still a better Brazil than any team that came afterwards. Despite the poor form of key players, they were still very defensively solid and if it wasn't for that Zidane pass to Henry, they might have knocked out France on penalties. Going out losing 0-1 to that France team is no shame, it was much less of an embarrassment than the ways in which the future teams going out of WC. From my memory Lucio was a total beast on that tournament. So as badly as they underperformed, I would still take that Brazil team over any other that came afterwards. For example there's no way this team loses 7-1 to Germany or wastes a lead to Croatia. Just too much defensive talent and experience in there.
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To be fair many of their big names like Ronaldo,Cafu, roberto to name a few were far past their prime, they were probably hoping for Ronaldinho to transfer his club form to the national level as he was their only talismatic player at the time seeing how Kaka would go on to hit his prime the season after so him completely ghosting the tournament pretty much sealed their fat

But yeah, it's still the best Brazil has been since then although I'd think their 2022 team wasn't far off, if only they had better finishers.
 
LA BOMBA said:
The 2006 Brazil team was wild.

It was -on paper- probably the strongest national team ever assembled.

The starting line up was:

---------------------- Dida -----------------------
Cafu --- Lucio --- Juan -- Roberto Carlos
-------- Emerson --- Ze Roberto -------
------ Kaka ------------------- Ronaldinho
---------- Adriano -- Ronaldo ---------

3 Ballon d'Or winners in there, plus one of the most intimidating strikers ever, two contenders for the best full backs of all time, and amazing defensive players and work horses to add.

If each of these players what at his best, this team would be unstoppable.

But in reality they underperformed badly.

To be fair to them, they did have some good games like the second half again Japan and the knockout tie again Ghana, and it took Zidane's brilliant performance to knock them out. However the expectations going in the tournament were massive, they were seen as clear cut favourites, and they disappointed everybody.

I remember this was the first time people saw Ronaldinho as human again, as before that, despite some inconsistent form that season, he used to deliver in big games in Barcelona and had just come of winning the Champions League against Arsenal.

This WC also cemented the downfalls of Adriano and Ronaldo, who were no longer seen as elite players afterwards.

However I think that despite this team being seen as a fiasco, I honestly think that this was still a better Brazil than any team that came afterwards. Despite the poor form of key players, they were still very defensively solid and if it wasn't for that Zidane pass to Henry, they might have knocked out France on penalties. Going out losing 0-1 to that France team is no shame, it was much less of an embarrassment than the ways in which the future teams going out of WC. From my memory Lucio was a total beast on that tournament. So as badly as they underperformed, I would still take that Brazil team over any other that came afterwards. For example there's no way this team loses 7-1 to Germany or wastes a lead to Croatia. Just too much defensive talent and experience in there.
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To be fair many of their big names like Ronaldo,Cafu, roberto to name a few were far past their prime, they were probably hoping for Ronaldinho to transfer his club form to the national level as he was their only talismatic player at the time seeing how Kaka would go on to hit his prime the season after so him completely ghosting the tournament sealed their fate.

But yeah, it's still the best Brazil has been since then although I'd think their 2022 team wasn't that bad if only they had better finishers.
 
Bondi77 said:
If you read it I am sure in this day and age it wouldn't be hard to find?
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you're right, I was just lazy

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ronaldinho-goal-world-cup-seaman-27285843

"If I'm being totally honest, I was aiming for the other side of the net."

He added: "You can't say that [it was a fluke] because I was aware of the 'keeper's position and went for the shot at goal. The fact that it did not go in exactly as I planned is secondary to the fact that I was having a go.

"What basically happened is that I hit my shot too hard and, as it travelled through the air, it swerved more and ended up looping over Seaman. There was nothing he could do about it and I suppose there was an element of luck involved... but a goal is a goal!"
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I don't support Barcelona but I watched them because initially because of Ronaldinho and later because of Messi.

Ronaldinho was a freestyler playing football, so entertaining. A magician.
 
Red the Bear said:
To be fair many of their big names like Ronaldo,Cafu, roberto to name a few were far past their prime, they were probably hoping for Ronaldinho to transfer his club form to the national level as he was their only talismatic player at the time seeing how Kaka would go on to hit his prime the season after so him completely ghosting the tournament pretty much sealed their fat

But yeah, it's still the best Brazil has been since then although I'd think their 2022 team wasn't far off, if only they had better finishers.
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Pretty much everyone in that Brazil team was past their prime except Lucio, Juan and Kaka. This is a bit crazy considering that Ronaldinho and Adriano were only 26 and 24 years old respectively, but looking back both had their prime in 2004/05 season and it only went downhill since that.

It's easy to see now why this Brazil failed, but at the time we were not really looking at those players as being past it. Nobody really knew the extent of Adriano's drinking issues and Ronaldinho was still seen as the best player in the world as Barcelona won the CL that year and he had some magical moments. Dida, Cafu, Roberto Carlos and Ronaldo were still starters at Milan/Real Madrid, Emerson was one of the most highly rated players in Serie A winning back-to-back titles with Juventus. Ze Roberto was a key player at Bayern and won back-to-back titles there (at the time when Bayern still wasn't totally dominant and this was a rarer thing than now). Looking back it's really amazing how stacked this Brazil team was in terms of names, they even had the likes of prime Juninho (who was the best player in Ligue 1) and the "invincible" Gilberto Silva coming from the bench. Robinho was still highly rated at the time as he was supposed to be the next thing, he was used as impact sub.

Brazil were seen as MASSIVE favorites before the tournament.

But obviously with the benefit of hindsight, we now know that out of that team only Kaka and Lucio would continue to be elite players, while all the other players were already in decline.

That said, in my opinion basically every Brazil team that I saw on WC was worst than the previous one.

I first saw Brazil playing in 1994 and this was the best Brazil I saw.

I rate 1998 Brazil as better than 2002 Brazil, but the latter had luck with the draw and played uninspiring Germany in the final.

2006 Brazil was obviously worse than 2002 but still better than the next ones. It's only rated as fiasco because of how high expectations were.

I think 2010 Brazil team is actually underrated, they were a solid defensive tournament team that looked really hard to beat. I think they could have been the one to give Spain trouble. They were a bit unlucky to go out against Holland in a game they were leading. If it wasn't for Julio Cesar blunders and Felipe Melo having a meltdown, they might have gone through and then they'd have a path to the final facing Uruguay. Losing 2-1 to that Sneijder-led Holland team with Robben and Van Persie was nothing to be ashamed about either.

As for the 2014, 2018 and 2022 teams, I think they got worse with every tournament, but as the quality of national teams declined, they were able to continue to be up there. I honestly think that 2006 and even 2010 teams would beat the 2022 Brazil.
 
top1whoisman said:
There’s choosing the lesser evil (in their opinion) and voting for them and then there’s publicly supporting a candidate, posing in photos with them etc.

This goes for Pelé, Rivaldo, Neymar & co. as well.

A ”good” person in this scenario would use his platform to push for better candidates and calling out the issues with the available ones.

And that’s without going into the shenanigans around his imprisonment and release from the Paraguayan prison.
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So judgy. A good person wouldn't be so quick to judge huge populations of people.
 
Camilo said:
So judgy. A good person wouldn't be so quick to judge huge populations of people.
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Didn’t say anything about the ordinary Brazilian people. And the ”good person” was in reference to someone saying Dinho’s an awful person. I don’t think he is but could choose his words and actions better.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
Yeah put it this way, if I were Brazilian and Bolsonaro asked me to endorse him publically - I would do it for free. Why? Terrifying man, his pseudo-fascist views and the power he wields with the Military makes me never want to cross him.

Though I doubt Ronaldinho ran that thought process through his mind.
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I think this is a fair enough opinion to hold for yourself but what do you think the world would look like if everyone felt this way? If no one spoke truth to power or opposed evil because it was dangerous?
 
Mogget said:
I think this is a fair enough opinion to hold for yourself but what do you think the world would look like if everyone felt this way? If no one spoke truth to power or opposed evil because it was dangerous?
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That is reserved for the 0.1% of the people who are built different.

Doing the above makes you normal, not for "bad people."
 
Red the Bear said:
To be fair many of their big names like Ronaldo,Cafu, roberto to name a few were far past their prime, they were probably hoping for Ronaldinho to transfer his club form to the national level as he was their only talismatic player at the time seeing how Kaka would go on to hit his prime the season after so him completely ghosting the tournament sealed their fate.

But yeah, it's still the best Brazil has been since then although I'd think their 2022 team wasn't that bad if only they had better finishers.
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The 2005 Confederations Cup was such a stroll for Brazil that everyone assumed 2006 would be easy too.

My feeling watching Germany 2006 was simply that the blend was wrong. Brazil went for the magic square formation to try and get all the big name attackers in. It felt and looked unbalanced, like there were too many people all trying to play in the same space. Frankly, Ronaldinho and Adriano looked intimidated by Ronaldo. Yet Ronaldo looked a shadow of what he was even a couple of years before.

My expectation after 2006 was Brazil would refresh and regroup.

It's taken longer than expected but you can see something starting to happen with this generation of Madrid recruits coming through. However, I more expect them to come to the boil at the next World Cup. This Copa America may be a little too early. If they win Vini Jr will win the Ballon d'Or.

Strange of Ronaldinho to go so hard on them. Yes they did eek out a draw with a US team that got crushed by Colombia recently. However, it's only a couple of weeks before a major tournament. Nobody is going to kill themselves in friendlies. Brazil looked fine against Mexico for the most part until the players relaxed too much and let Mexico back into it.
 
LA BOMBA said:
Pretty much everyone in that Brazil team was past their prime except Lucio, Juan and Kaka. This is a bit crazy considering that Ronaldinho and Adriano were only 26 and 24 years old respectively, but looking back both had their prime in 2004/05 season and it only went downhill since that.

It's easy to see now why this Brazil failed, but at the time we were not really looking at those players as being past it. Nobody really knew the extent of Adriano's drinking issues and Ronaldinho was still seen as the best player in the world as Barcelona won the CL that year and he had some magical moments. Dida, Cafu, Roberto Carlos and Ronaldo were still starters at Milan/Real Madrid, Emerson was one of the most highly rated players in Serie A winning back-to-back titles with Juventus. Ze Roberto was a key player at Bayern and won back-to-back titles there (at the time when Bayern still wasn't totally dominant and this was a rarer thing than now). Looking back it's really amazing how stacked this Brazil team was in terms of names, they even had the likes of prime Juninho (who was the best player in Ligue 1) and the "invincible" Gilberto Silva coming from the bench. Robinho was still highly rated at the time as he was supposed to be the next thing, he was used as impact sub.

Brazil were seen as MASSIVE favorites before the tournament.

But obviously with the benefit of hindsight, we now know that out of that team only Kaka and Lucio would continue to be elite players, while all the other players were already in decline.

That said, in my opinion basically every Brazil team that I saw on WC was worst than the previous one.

I first saw Brazil playing in 1994 and this was the best Brazil I saw.

I rate 1998 Brazil as better than 2002 Brazil, but the latter had luck with the draw and played uninspiring Germany in the final.

2006 Brazil was obviously worse than 2002 but still better than the next ones. It's only rated as fiasco because of how high expectations were.

I think 2010 Brazil team is actually underrated, they were a solid defensive tournament team that looked really hard to beat. I think they could have been the one to give Spain trouble. They were a bit unlucky to go out against Holland in a game they were leading. If it wasn't for Julio Cesar blunders and Felipe Melo having a meltdown, they might have gone through and then they'd have a path to the final facing Uruguay. Losing 2-1 to that Sneijder-led Holland team with Robben and Van Persie was nothing to be ashamed about either.

As for the 2014, 2018 and 2022 teams, I think they got worse with every tournament, but as the quality of national teams declined, they were able to continue to be up there. I honestly think that 2006 and even 2010 teams would beat the 2022 Brazil.
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Yeah you're probably correct on your assessment, that 1994 team didn't have as many shiny names as the later squads but they were defensively top notch, better than any Brazilian side since, they would be a hellish side to go up against for anyone.
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The 2005 Confederations Cup was such a stroll for Brazil that everyone assumed 2006 would be easy too.

My feeling watching Germany 2006 was simply that the blend was wrong. Brazil went for the magic square formation to try and get all the big name attackers in. It felt and looked unbalanced, like there were too many people all trying to play in the same space. Frankly, Ronaldinho and Adriano looked intimidated by Ronaldo. Yet Ronaldo looked a shadow of what he was even a couple of years before.

My expectation after 2006 was Brazil would refresh and regroup.

It's taken longer than expected but you can see something starting to happen with this generation of Madrid recruits coming through. However, I more expect them to come to the boil at the next World Cup. This Copa America may be a little too early. If they win Vini Jr will win the Ballon d'Or.

Strange of Ronaldinho to go so hard on them. Yes they did eek out a draw with a US team that got crushed by Colombia recently. However, it's only a couple of weeks before a major tournament. Nobody is going to kill themselves in friendlies. Brazil looked fine against Mexico for the most part until the players relaxed too much and let Mexico back into it.
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2006 was funny that way as no side aside from Portugal and perhaps England were at their peak, hell even Italy had a better side in 2002 than their triumphant one.

I don't think anything like it has ever happened since as each following edition of the tournament had sides that were clearly at the apex of their powers.
 
Red the Bear said:
2006 was funny that way as no side aside from Portugal and perhaps England were at their peak, hell even Italy had a better side in 2002 than their triumphant one.
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We had a better side in 2006 on paper, and then in practice too, despite Totti's conditions and Nesta's usual injury
 
LA BOMBA said:
The 2006 Brazil team was wild.

It was -on paper- probably the strongest national team ever assembled.

The starting line up was:

---------------------- Dida -----------------------
Cafu --- Lucio --- Juan -- Roberto Carlos
-------- Emerson --- Ze Roberto -------
------ Kaka ------------------- Ronaldinho
---------- Adriano -- Ronaldo ---------

3 Ballon d'Or winners in there, plus one of the most intimidating strikers ever, two contenders for the best full backs of all time, and amazing defensive players and work horses to add.

If each of these players what at his best, this team would be unstoppable.

But in reality they underperformed badly.

To be fair to them, they did have some good games like the second half again Japan and the knockout tie again Ghana, and it took Zidane's brilliant performance to knock them out. However the expectations going in the tournament were massive, they were seen as clear cut favourites, and they disappointed everybody.

I remember this was the first time people saw Ronaldinho as human again, as before that, despite some inconsistent form that season, he used to deliver in big games in Barcelona and had just come of winning the Champions League against Arsenal.

This WC also cemented the downfalls of Adriano and Ronaldo, who were no longer seen as elite players afterwards.

However I think that despite this team being seen as a fiasco, I honestly think that this was still a better Brazil than any team that came afterwards. Despite the poor form of key players, they were still very defensively solid and if it wasn't for that Zidane pass to Henry, they might have knocked out France on penalties. Going out losing 0-1 to that France team is no shame, it was much less of an embarrassment than the ways in which the future teams going out of WC. From my memory Lucio was a total beast on that tournament. So as badly as they underperformed, I would still take that Brazil team over any other that came afterwards. For example there's no way this team loses 7-1 to Germany or wastes a lead to Croatia. Just too much defensive talent and experience in there.
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I actually think they were better in 2010 and were quite unlucky to lose to the Netherlands.
 
Idxomer said:
I actually think they were better in 2010 and were quite unlucky to lose to the Netherlands.
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2006 was much stronger on paper, but 2010 was a much more balanced and more effective team. Big problem in 2010 was lack of depth. Not much quality beyond the first XI.
 
Brazil 2006 was poorly assembled to take advantage of Ronaldinho's characteristics.

Ronaldinho was used to throwing long balls to fast players at Barcelona, with Giuly, Eto, Messi etc.

At the World Cup there were Cafu and Roberto Carlos aged +35, Adriano and Ronaldo weighing +100kg (220 pounds).
Ronaldinho played well against Japan, when Brazil played with a younger team.

Ronaldinho's time at AC Milan is also underrated. He led the Serie A in assists when Milan had a very poor team. He certainly wasn't the Ronaldinho of Barcelona, he was fatter, but he still had some good moments. When Man United beat Milan at San Siro in 2009/10 (3-2), Ronaldinho played very well. He could play in Europe for a few more years, if he wanted to.
 
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Blood Mage said:
The most naturally talented footballer ever IMO but as a person he's a certified moron. He also supported Bolsonaro.
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Yeah I think this guy named...Diego or something like that could argue about that.

Regarding to the topic, he later said it was all made up for a support campaign. Sounds more like he tried to fix things than that but since it's Ronnie, the smile of football, we're going to believe it.
 
Honestly the whole thing is so bizarre the explanation might actually be true :lol:

I mean it's incredibly stupid ane dumb but then so was the initial message which made zero sense whatsoever - also Raphiña mentioned he'd asked Vini for tickets like 3 days before the original post :lol:
 
Red the Bear said:
2006 was funny that way as no side aside from Portugal and perhaps England were at their peak, hell even Italy had a better side in 2002 than their triumphant one.
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I think this just speaks about how strong international football was in 1998-2002 era.

As far as big teams were concerned, you're indeed right.

By 2006 Italy and France were in clear decline. It was sort of the last hurrah for both of their golden generations. After this WC both countries were horrible in the next two tournaments. Italy would never have a generation like this again, while France waited more than a decade to have another golden generation team at its peak.

Argentina is a weird case as in 2002 they had possibly their best squad ever but failed to get out of group stage. 2006 team was worse in comparison in terms of names but did get far in the tournament. From then on it was basically all about Messi.

Holland had much better squad in 2002 but failed to even qualify on the tournament. 2006 Holland did get far but it was a shadow of previous Dutch teams, and worse than the one they'd have in 2010 and 2014.

Out of the smaller Euro teams that often do well on tournaments, Croatia and Czech Republic both had bad teams because of their key players from previous tournaments being old or have already retired. The likes of Modrić and Rakitić weren't in the NT yet and Kranjčar was considered the biggest Croatian talent.

Germany and Spain were in a transition period and they would only get into their peak form in 2010, though Germany did do well.

That indeed leaves only Portugal and England as peak version of their NT, though even with the likes of Portugal you had players like Figo and Rui Costa in decline.

Out of the smaller teams Ivory Coast was at their peak with prime Drogba, Kolo and Yaya Toure, Eboue... But they got unlucky with the draw as they were in group with Argentina and Holland.

I do think it was the best WC I've ever watched, it was just a classic European-hosted WC where all the big guys made it and the quarter-finals and semi-finals were close to what you'd expect before the tournament. Similar to WC 1998. No tournament afterwards had the same level of star power.
 
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AfonsoAlves said:
Yeah, uhh, this is Brazil, it's not going to happen unless you want to get yourself bin-bagged and black-vanned by the military. I've spent some time with the Brazilian military figures, absolute knob-head nutjobs who have an very strong grip on the politics of the country. Barring systemic change due to mass civic unrest, this is not likely to change.

I put Ronaldinho firmly in the, "dumb footballer who never had a formal education" category, as opposed to being a horrible person. The Paraguay shite proves that imo.
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Yeah, I was sort of drunk when I said that he was a horrible person. Probably is a result of a lack of much education, which many footballers seem to have .
 
thisisnottaken1 said:
He was a great player; he was one of the few footballers of whom I had heard before I first got into football into 2010. However, in that year, he went back to Brazil, and his peak football career basically ended. He was only 30. He’s an awful human being; he supported Bolsonaro, who is a racist towards black people.
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Why don't you shut the feck up when you have any clue about the subject? Not doing so makes you an awful human being.
 
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