His links to Ukraine or Jewish Ethnicity are besides the point.
The butcher cosied up to his pal Putin and now the rat deserts his best mate's sinking ship.
Typical oligarch snake in survival mode. Out for self preservation no matter who suffers.
Roman Abramovich plans to sell Chelsea | SOLD for £4.25BN
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The butcher cosied up to his pal Putin and now the rat deserts his best mate's sinking ship.
Typical oligarch snake in survival mode. Out for self preservation no matter who suffers.
You sir, are absolutely and undeniably delusional.
As for the last part, firstly no one is denying Russia is doing a horrendous thing.
Secondly, publicly condemning or not condemning something means what exactly? Just because the club isn’t stating the obvious does not mean it supports Russia. For Christ’s sake, grow up.
What a crock of shite.Don't believe a word of it.Rats will try anything to survive.
Just saying
Just saying
Alreast you're now using condemned instead of condoned.
They were both born in Ukraine and fled due to World War 2. Suggesting that someone can't be ethnically Ukrainian because they are Ashkenazi Jewish is an odd take? I'm half Korean and half Irish but born in New York - I'd not say I'm more Korean than I am American.
Deep ties seems to be a not inaccurate take given he has expressed willingness to move his businesses out of Russia to Ukraine and to donate money to Ukrainian causes, plus he is putting himself in harm's way to assist in peacekeeping efforts.
Yes, I had to double think on that before posting haha.
a lot of my chelsea mates are saying what with it being this close to easter, the poisoning and resurrection of roman signifies he is the second coming of christ and we’re all forsaking him, learning nothing from 2000 years ago.
ffs just managed to stop laughing about your post in the F1 thread and now you've gone and done it again
It's a bit mad how alot of Chelsea fans stiill see RA, I wonder how we'd be behaving now if Saudi had taken over us rather than Newcastle, sadly probably convincing ourselves they're not so bad, and are United fans at heart.
Chelsea fans should just be concentrating on getting a less worse American owner than us right now, then we can all be shocked at how City and Newcastle justify their 'success' together.
Chelsea fans should just be concentrating on getting a less worse American owner than us right now, then we can all be shocked at how City and Newcastle justify their 'success' together.
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Hopefully he will get apology from Chris Bryant for spreading lies. Give the money from Chelsea sales to charity to help real victims of pointless war. Then get done with UK. He got enough of this shit.
I mean, I just think that the premise the Tories used to seize Chelsea has now been pretty conclusively shown to be false - how anyone can argue that Abramovich and Putin have close ties when one of them is poisoning the other is beyond me. Not sure what else Roman could possibly have done, if 4 weeks ago he was already involved in efforts to establish peace at personal cost.
I think it's entirely understandable and desirable to get rid of the likes of Abramovich from the game; what rankles is that the Saudis and Sheikh Mansour aren't receiving the same treatment despite being more closely tied to more serious human rights abuses than Abramovich is. If this is merely step 1 and there is real and meaningful reform coming to the sport then I'll take this all back, but I'm certainly not going to hold my breath in the hopes that fecking BoJo and his ilk will do what's right.
Agreed.
That clown has been off social media for a while now after the news broke out and I doubt he will even speak on it after all his statements of all of this being "PR" by RA turned out to be false. Cant stand him especially given how hypocritical he is he voted in support of the Iraq invasion and he is now taking the moral high ground about stopping war...laughable.
That I can agree with, probably not soon enough, but I don't think there is any doubt their time will come.
Small time I know, but what really rankles me is how Newcastle have taken more stick on the back of this than City, so far Newcastle have just spent enough to survive relagation, where as City have re writen the rules on the a back of 'sportwashing', but long term though I wouldn't want to be either of these clubs now.
Hope he is better now. That is awful.
I hope you're right mate!
And completely agreed re: Newcastle vs. City - it's an utter joke that the latter have escaped punishment for their blatantly obvious fake sponsorships on technicalities.
I suppose a lot of people view Abramovich as fundamentally less worse than the states who own City and Newcastle. I think if a state wanted to buy Chelsea today they'd be some level of backlash against it.
Been less worse than City and Newcastle still isn't good though, but I take your point, and agree with it, to me it's just a shame we have those clubs in prem to make this a valid comment though.
The latest word is that he and the other peace negotiators have recovered now - this took place over March 3rd/4th reportedly, and they suffered from severe eye pain, temporary blindness, respiratory difficulty, and skin peeling of the face and hands. Supposedly this seems to have been a warning shot from Russia - these symptoms are consistent with a deliberately low dose of known Russian chemical agents.
The difference is that when Roman's parents were born, Ukraine had not been an independent state for a significant period for centuries, having been passed between empires. There was of course a group of people that lived in that space that identified as ethnically Ukrainian and wanted to form an independent Ukrainian nation-state one day. But there were lots of other peoples living in that geographic area that were not ethnic Ukrainians - most prominently Russians, Poles, and, of course, Jews. By all evidence, Roman's grandmother was an Ashkenazi Jew who lived in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, of which there were huge numbers.
In any case, I don't see why anything he is currently saying about his willingness to move his businesses to Ukraine should be taken at face value or how it could possibly be evidence for him having "deep ties" to Ukraine, which is a surely a phrase that describes the past not the future.
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You know what, that's an entirely fair point and one I hadn't considered. Cheers for the discussion and I think you're right that I was overstating things. Also you seem far more informed than I am and I'd like to express how much I appreciate your patience!
What possible environmental factor causes temporary blindness and chemical burns on skin? Were they meeting in Chernobyl's exposed reactor?
An anonymous US official is hardly a credible source - especially if they have no credible explanation for the symptoms.
No worries at all. I always respect your posts and your opinion in general on this forum, just had a slightly different view in this case.
All good mate and again I appreciate your willingness to educate - also I have made many many posts entirely unworthy of respect but I appreciate the kind words
Does this mean that inhabitants that live in an area that is occupied/apart of another region not feel/believe it is culturally different and should be able to rule itself?
Thus, does that mean that people that identify as Basque, Celtic or Palestinian, not be able to do so because the land they live on is occupied by another Nation State (Spain/France, UK, Israel?)
Additionally, if those regions ever do gain any autonomy, does that mean that those living there currently cannot really be called by their new countries name because they spent most/all their life under occupation/as a citizen of another state? Equally, can those of other faiths/not ethically from that region, not feel apart of that region like those that ethically are?
Genuinely, I ask this question, as it seems to me you believe that regardless of RA's family being born and raised in the Ukraine, it is insignificant to them identifying as Ukrainian because they did so under Russian rule and/or because they're Jewish.
I think you are reading far too much into this with all these hypotheticals. I certainly don't agree with them and would answer no, no, no, no.
The bottom line is simple. If you read history books about the Soviet Union, Russian empire, it becomes very apparent that there was a very complex ethnic composition in places like the area now known as Ukraine and people tended to identify themselves and think of themselves in terms of their ethnicity and of course their hometown. So Roman's great grandmother likely saw herself as a Jew from Lviv or Odessa or wherever and a citizen of the Soviet Union, not as a "Ukrainian," which was a different ethnicity.
So hopefully now even more of you realize how stupid this is. I have been telling you the truth.
The people who claimed they paid too little for the assets back then were the Russian state, when they worked to seize back the assets.
The United States and European Allies along with a group from Harvard decided who was able to use the loans for shares program to privatize assets.
See how this works? Speak facts rather than just “well if you believe that…” Well, then give a fact YOU believe. Not an opinion, a fact.
Roman, like others, was pressed in court about the value paid fir the assets because the Soviet revival Russians like Putin wanted to seize back the assets. The cases were decided in international court, Ronan won all of them. So yes, please tell me about his “dirty” money: but be specific.
Then the big threats started, and Roman was forced to sell an asset that would have been worth 80 billion in 7 more years for 13 billion back to Russian state control. His one time friend refused to do the same and ended up “committing suicide” with a metal garrote in his shower.
But these are all things we knew before he even bought Chelsea.
In England you have parliamentary privilege, but that may not protect Bryant or the UK when the lawyers lining up for Evraz come after them. You guys LIED, knowingly, about a global company that involved thousands and thousands of innocent families, their retirements, their jobs. You may have set back the whole idea of globalization bringing the world together, especially when it comes to green projects and tackling issues like waste, infrastructure, and recycling. Thats not hyperbole. You could have simply frozen the assets, dividends, and everything else of people like Roman, but you shutdown trading of the entire company. Why? Because it was important to you that you set the precedent you had to “shutdown” Romans businesses to justify taking down the football team.
And make no mistake, the people that matter in these other countries now fully believe that football passions were the primary driver of this, not the invasion. They did a lot of footwork to find other reasoning, but the way you prioritized hurting the FC only cemented their conclusions. And they are very angry.
As an aside: Roman was first approached by Jewish groups directly and the Ukranians indirectly . The Ukrainians put out the call for anyone to help prior to the actual invasion. Roman was the only one who answered. To verify, Roman IS the “Westernized” Russian Putin went on his ranting tirade about. Roman is the philosophical opposite of Putin. They have collaborated on events like the World Cup, but for different reasons. Roman has children who live in Russia, London, and young ones that are native New Yorkers now I believe. He didn’t go to those talks just to save Ukraine, but to also save Russia. He envisioned a Russia that opened up as a global partner in business. Evraz was the first Russian-Origin company to go global and trade on the ISE. Putin wants a deranged Soviet cathedral. He genuinely doesn’t understand Civic nationalism, or even how an open, global world works.
Roman is not a saintly human, but he IS exactly what we envisioned when we started “loans for shares”, a cooperator who wants to build wealth and success for himself and his country.
For those saying “well then he should t have stolen their oil” … again, he didn’t. But even if you believed he owed an additional 2 billion in assets… he has invested and donated far more than that in trying to create infrastructure for success in areas of Russia.
Most importantly, he hasn’t aided Russia or Putin I this invasion one Iota. And people like Chris Bryant were privy to that fact just like were. He lied about him intentionally to justify assassinating a football team.
These are not opinions. That IS what happened. And it is not ok …. Mostly because of the Evraz implications. Sports are sports. But that …. Wow.
Chris Bryant? Is that you?
Literally none of that is true. Putin has/had active FSB assets, handlers, and a whole apparatus in every major Western country. Deripaska, an actual designated “oligarch” (yes, the U.S. created that designation and everyone they considered to fit the title… and no, Roman wasnt one) just built a Silver mine for Mitch McConnell in Tennesse 3 years ago.
A rich football owner that Putin actually sued twice is not a lynchpin…
For the others playing at home let me ask this : Roman HEAVILY fortified his Kensington home after Putin had Romans friend killed. Do you think he did that cuz he was scared of rowdy Arsenal fans?
I don’t know if you are just a WUM, or truly this misinformed, so I’m providing informational guidance just in case.
With Roman plastering his face all over Ukraine-Russia talks surely he'll be unfrozen soon?
The hysteria and hyperbole in your posts is frankly the most entertaining thing about this thread.
Roman being sanctioned is setting back the idea of globalization for the whole world. You what? You do realize massive sanctions have been levied against all of the wealthiest Russians along with the vast number of crippling sanctions applied to the Russian state itself which impact every single one of its citizens. What is or is not happening to Roman is a drop in the ocean by comparison and your wildly inaccurate belief that the evil UK is the only nation imposing sanctions and Roman is the sole victim betrays your myopic and ill informed stance on this subject.
With regards to the comments about taking down the football team you are again talking utter bollocks. Chelsea have been fine, are fine and will continue to be fine. You have had 20 years of success bankrolled by a sugar daddy who has been happy to lose 1.5 billion of his own money to buy trophies and enable you to compete in a way you never could have without him. He has signed off on pumping in a final gift of 30m to ensure that the club suffers no financial impacts from the sanctions and in a few weeks time you will pass into the hands of billionaire owners who even in the worst case scenario will run your club in the same way that the other big non oil clubs are run. You will still be able to be competitive even if the playing field is levelled with the likes of ourselves, Liverpool and Arsenal and you will still have had a fantastic 20 year run when you won more than you could have ever dreamed of thanks to not having to be run as a normal business. Cry me a river pal.
It’s hilarious the lengths the Chelsea fans will go to to prove their lord and saviour is one of the good ones.
He hasn't done anything, recently. Everyone knows where his money comes from, that isn't news..
No reason to sanction him for Ukraine apart from him knowing Putin, having shares in a Nickel production company and mainly, mass hysteria against everyone and everything Russian.
No reason other than Russia is engaged in a war in Europe that cannot be contained with military action for fear of a potentially devastating escalation and so NATO and its allies have pursued a strategy of sanctions and financial penalties against all Russians in an attempt to make the cost of the war so painful that internal pressure forces Putin to back down. I have significantly more sympathy for the average Russian citizens than I do for Roman and the other Oligarchs.
Seems like it would be news for quite a few deluded fans of your club who are posting in this thread, in fact.
It’s like a new one of you fellas is made every week.
The mental Gymnastics involved in believing Putin poisoned Roman and that they are not close would see you win Olympic Gold. (With the evidence available)
Chelsea fans need to stop spinning speculation and conjecture into fact. Especially as they all seem to repackage actual facts as dubious if only a 1% chance of being bogus.
You are all sticking up for a Gangster who’s riches were gained through bloodshed and illegal methods. Why?
As others have said, it is unbelievable what buying a couple of players does to sportswash your image and create you an army of fans that will defend you no matter what.
I mean, you know why, and it's pretty sad.
1. We don’t know who or what poisoned him. We can only make a basis from previous Russian poisonings that point to Vlad the mad.
2. He seems ok from the last pictures taken
3. Because you were close to someone, doesn’t mean you still are.
4. If he was Pro war then the Ukrainian PM and all his ministers seeking help of Roman is for nought.
5. Continuing to bring up past crimes and alleged crimes that have no bearing on the war won’t make your points any more valid and it’s getting tiring.
6. I’m not defending or commenting Roman’s past, again it adds nothing to the debate.
7. Debating facts seems beyond your comprehension.