And so i presume everyone is presuming RvP will join United? You couldn't fault for me saying that looking at the way the past few pages have been talking. It's all formations, teamtalk, tactics and what not with him in the loop
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For what it is worth I still do not think he will sign for us.
But I would love it if he did
But I would love it if he did
Like I mentioned several times before, either a LB or a CM, and since it's obvious we've got money to spend (if need be) than why not spend it on a player who's more or less guaranteed to make a difference seeing as how we're thin in those areas and getting someone reliable (preferably an upgrade not just a gap-filler) would make a whole lot of difference compared to us signing a player whose position is already well stacked at the club.
I'm gonna be honest here and say I can't think of a better option for a LB than Baines simply because those who I think are better have either just been signed by a new club or are contracted to one long-term.
There's a lot of options for a CM though, and although those options change from year to year I think it's not that relevant when we look into the market as there's always someone to be found that could improve our squad, even if he costs a little more, I'd rather spend that than 20-25 million on a position we're "good" at. I'm well aware of the fact that not every player is attainable since this isn't FIFA, but I've no doubt in my mind that we could've signed atleast one already if the staff really gave it their all.
Oh and I'm not saying we're signing RvP JUST to shut up some people, I'm just saying that it plays a role in the signing, you can try to deny it, but to me it seems pretty clear. There's no doubt about him being a quality player but one could raise many questions as to why exactly he's being signed (supposedly).
I completely agree with that. TBh he may also think with the way football is going we simply don't have the luxury of sitting around and hoping Welbecks performances keep on improving. We currently rely a lot on Rooney, and an injury to him will severely hurt us. Is Welbeck ready to step up and score 30 goals at home and in Europe?
Even the biggest Welbeck fan would have to consider that a gamble really. Whereas RVP is proven, and an incredible talent by anyone's standards. My hope is Welbeck continues to show what he has showed already imo. That he will rise to any new challenge put in front of him, and force himself into the reckoning by improving his performances.
Last season Danny Welbeck was our first choice centre forward, if Van Persie signs, he most assuredly won't be. Last season Danny Welbeck played nearly every game when he was fit, if Van Persie signs, he'll only play when the Dutchman is rested or injured or occasionally out wide. If you're retarded enough to think that this signing won't negatively impact Danny's opportunities, his outlook and his career, then, y'know, fair enough, but don't be so pathetic as to make such a ridiculous strawman. Of course he'll still get games, but the difference between being first choice and a sub is massive, even with our love for rotation.
This transfer is almost entirely without precedent, you can argue about it impacting current players if you want, but the fact that it's a change of approach is an incontrovertible fact.
You think signing Baines will make more of a difference than signing RvP?
And how often will that be? Frankly, we don't know, but a) competition for places is a good thing, and b) Fergie likes to rotate. He's forever banged on about how he likes to have four strikers, and if he has 4 great ones at his disposal, he's going to use them. In 99 we had 4 fantastic strikers and Fergie made it work, I fully imagine he'd be more then capable of doing so here.
The lad is still only 21, and has got a long way to go. You're acting like RVP would literally be a knife in the coffin of Welbeck's career... when in fact, it would allow him to play alongside another world class forward, which is hardly a bad thing. It would also take the burden of his young shoulders, which again, I would see as a good thing. In short, stop being so melodramatic.
Robin van persie is class. Welbeck could be in the future.
If Welbeck gets as much chance to play and make an impact as Ole did while behind Yorke and Cole he should consider himself a very lucky man.
He can't expect Manchester United to be entirely reliant on Rooney and his own progress. It's a ridiculous idea to think otherwise.
Chicharito though... he will suffer
He can't expect Manchester United to be entirely reliant on Rooney and his own progress. It's a ridiculous idea to think otherwise.
Chicharito though... he will suffer
Last season we lost the league on goal difference.
I think it gives us more of a positive outlook on the forecoming season, yes.
We desperately need cover for Evra, and Baines in all fairness not only looks like that, but might also be an improvement. Granted we could stick Evans, Brady or Blackett there in case of emergency but I don't like the look of that.
Our back 4 could be a lot more solid, and with the gradual improvement of De Gea and Vidič coming back we might again have the best defense in the world, and defense is what wins you silverware.
With RvP you obviously get a quality striker, but honestly I'd much rather we stick with Rooney, Kagawa, Welbeck and Hernandez up front, if that means the money can be better spent elsewhere than even better. We'd be getting a short term fix but if you look at the big picture it could hinder several player's progress. I know that you're going to point out our rotation policy, but even with that in mind you can't deny the fact that he'll see significantly less playing time this season (at the very least as a striker).
And since we're on the subject of reduced playing time, I admit I'm more worried about Welbeck, but actualy Hernandez is the one who's more likely to "suffer" because of this, while Welbeck will see less playing time he should atleast get a game or 2 on the wings, but Hernandez litteraly can't play any other position than a striker.
What on earth has that got to do with what he said?
Personally I think RvP will improve us more than Baines.
As I said the other day, if Fergie has sent Fabio out on loan he will have a plan regarding LB. We just don't know what it is yet.
Not nitpicking, promoting healthy debate.
So your saying it's not like Sir Alex? The fact is this sort of situation doesn't arise everyday. It's rare. We've seen Sir Alex buying young players in Powell, and Kagawa. We've seen him play plenty of youth on tour. There is no change. If he feels RVP and Rooney will be better then any paring we could have without him, he will go and get him and most United fans will say - yes that pairing would be an improvement. If we sold Welbeck or another talented youth and bought a more experienced team then yes...but right now youth still occupies his thoughts. Don't forget last season we got rid of a lot of experience. We got rid of Park and Owen this season...
If RVP teaches young players that a career is very short than great because he's a player that is hungry for trophies. You see Hernandez coming out and saying, I will fight for my place. That's how it should be. These young players need to be challenged and they will learn from quality.
Last season Danny Welbeck was our first choice centre forward
Last season Danny Welbeck played nearly every game when he was fit
Last season we lost the league on goal difference.
See the link with signing the EPLs top scorer now?
I agree with that. But he could play as a CAM with Carrick playing behind him.
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Last season Welbeck maybe got close to double figures give or take.
Last season RVP got 37 in all competitions and despite injuries, has a proven goalscoring record over many years
van Persie (29)
Rooney (26)
Hernandez (24)
Welbeck (21)
Would be a great blend of youth and experience to have.
Rooney (26)
Hernandez (24)
Welbeck (21)
Would be a great blend of youth and experience to have.
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Good point.
One thing I had been thinking of though, nothing to do with above, is which partnership's of those 4 couldn't work. For some reason, Hernandez-RVP doesn't sound like a good one to me. Maybe I'm simply underestimating RVP's ability to play behind the attacker.
You can all debate it till the cows come home but at the end of the day if you get a chance to sign the player of the year you're gonna try to.
Well, let's not turn it into Welbeck bashing. He is a good player with a bright and long future at United, but I can't see how being an understudy to Rooney and RvP would be a bad thing for his career and development.
He will be fine and will learn loads from playing with them. The alternative prospect of no RvP, Rooney injured and him having to carry the team goal-wise sounds more like break than make to me.
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Ok, I've reasoned myself that maybe RVP is seeking silverware at Manchester United... his partnership with Rooney could prove to be lethal
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I only saw the layout with the RvP story in the middle (none of the xbox controls indicated on the screen, no sky sports etc) and rushed to manutd.com to check whether it was indeed official (the middle part of the screen looks like manutd.com's layout). Before manutd.com loaded, my laptop decided to freeze (and it's a fast one) so I obviously thought it must be crazy with excitement and struggling to load such great and momentous news (Obviously it takes longer to load important things!) and was stuck in this mad hopeful glee for about 30 seconds.
The inner muppet in me is thinking the reason he's dropped out of the Holland squad is to finalise the transfer, agree terms and have a medical
He dropped out of the Holland squad?
Personally I think RvP will improve us more than Baines.
As I said the other day, if Fergie has sent Fabio out on loan he will have a plan regarding LB. We just don't know what it is yet.
Not nitpicking, promoting healthy debate.
Yeah I've mentioned the Fabio part somewhere in my earlier posts, it's pretty clear he sees potential in him, but at the same time knows he won't get enough experience at United this year due to him having a man crush on Evra, next year's probably the one where Fabio starts taking the reign on the LB position, probably sharing the playing time pretty evenly with Evra for the first year and then make it his own, but for that he needs to mature his game and get more consistent, something which hopefuly he will pick up at QPR.
I apologize for the last part, I edited it out before I saw your post, after I reread my post and your post I realized I overreacted and it seemed kinda childish. Again I apologize, I'm probably still used to the Newbie forum where people made blank assumptions and sometimes even threw an unnecessary metaphorical slap in there that as things went on started to piss me off simply because they were (in most cases) dead wrong and in order to "defend" themselves they just started spewing out shit.
He didnt play the preseason games and got only around 20 minutes against Cologne.The inner muppet in me is thinking the reason he's dropped out of the Holland squad is to finalise the transfer, agree terms and have a medical
He probably isnt fit enough to play.
Apparently so, was posted a couple of pages back.
I'm still shocked that there are people against this. It'll put us up there with City's attacking options, although the big difference would be that City have players that will all expecting to play every game, where we, as Bryan pointed out, have a great mixture of youth and experience.
Hernandez will lose out more than most, but I believe he has the right sort of temperament to do deal with it, a bit like Olé. Also, like any youngster at the club, if he does his job well enough when called upon he will get playing time.
Welbeck will play almost as many games as Rooney and RVP, depending on injuries of course. I've said it before but with the level the game is now at and sheer volume of fixtures, we aren't gonna play the same two up top each game.
Formation played and the Kagawa signing also come into play, but Kagawa seems versatile enough to play elsewhere, and probably will on a lot of occasions.
We only have 3 wingers, one of which we could easily lose through injury. RVP, Welbeck and Rooney are all options there, albeit not ideal ones.
It will be a great buy, as both a show of intent to bounce back after missing out on the league and to improve us on the pitch.
Hernandez will lose out more than most, but I believe he has the right sort of temperament to do deal with it, a bit like Olé. Also, like any youngster at the club, if he does his job well enough when called upon he will get playing time.
Welbeck will play almost as many games as Rooney and RVP, depending on injuries of course. I've said it before but with the level the game is now at and sheer volume of fixtures, we aren't gonna play the same two up top each game.
Formation played and the Kagawa signing also come into play, but Kagawa seems versatile enough to play elsewhere, and probably will on a lot of occasions.
We only have 3 wingers, one of which we could easily lose through injury. RVP, Welbeck and Rooney are all options there, albeit not ideal ones.
It will be a great buy, as both a show of intent to bounce back after missing out on the league and to improve us on the pitch.
I'm sleeping now, when I wake up, he'd better have signed or my day will be a bad one.
Consensus at BM i think is that if we get RvP, we'll be better up front than them, actually.
I agree.
Rooney, RvP, Nani and Kagawa vs Aguero, Tevez, Silva, Nasri?
I know which one I'd *** all day to!
Plus Valencia's the next 'best' option (compared to Super mario!).
Did Van Gaal call up a replacement? Thought he was originally included in the squad, a player wouldn't get dropped for no apparent reason
I conclude it's ON
Is he travelling with the squad though? Was looking forward to a post match interview
If he isnt even travelling with them that's an even better sign though I assume.
If he isnt even travelling with them that's an even better sign though I assume.
It's gotten to the point where I would be mildly disappointed if it turns out this isn't happening.
I can't help myself. I'll be a hopeless transfer muppet for eternity.
I can't help myself. I'll be a hopeless transfer muppet for eternity.
Looks like he is just dropped from the starting XI. Would still be with the squad.
It's not welbeck bashing. Welbeck is a great young player but the facts speak for themslelves as do the reasons why we'd be interested.
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