Robin van Persie 'release clause' could see striker leave Manchester United

[pauldyson1uk]

OH great, another summer and another player in a will he wont he stay.
If the clause it there, then I don't think he will be here next season.
When he came I did not expect him to be a long term player, 2 - 3 seasons at most.
I dont want him to go he is a class player, but if he does he does , nothing we can do about it.

 

[Ekeke]

I mean, after going to the ends of the earth to keep Rooney can we go to the ends of the earth for RVP as well and is it worth it?

If for some reason this clause did exist, if we offered him enough money in a new contract we could perhaps get him to stay. But with Rooney staying now and the question marks about how well they fit together its probably not worth it.

 

[Gladiator]

Since when have the Indie cited Goal.com as a reliable source?

they didn cite goal.com as reliable but simply stated their claims

 

[Empire]

In that case he's alrea


Would they be interested in a player who is as old as him and who wouldn't suit their quick football ? RVP is a better player than Benzema but Karim suits them perfectly.

I don't think RVP would have any problems in the Real Madrid set up. In terms of goals over the past three seasons (including this one so far) Benzema has a goal every 1.9 games and RVP 1.43. RVP also is just as good, if not better, at providing for his team mates.

I'm quite sure RVPs goals and assists would increase with those players around him and he would link up just fine with the likes of Ronaldo, Bale, Isco and Modric.

So yes, I do think Real Madrid would be interested in RVP however they would be looking to secure his services for around 20m but they would likely settle for a part-exchange deal if a player like Khedira wanted to leave.

In RVP they have a player that could perform at the top level for two more seasons, possibly three and it is in the next two or three seasons when they will have their best chance at the champions league. Don't forget Ronaldo is 29 therefore if they want that trophy and we all know they do then they will be thinking short term.

 

[kouroux]

I don't think RVP would have any problems in the Real Madrid set up. In terms of goals over the past three seasons (including this one so far) Benzema has a goal every 1.9 games and RVP 1.43. RVP also is just as good, if not better, at providing for his team mates.

I'm quite sure RVPs goals and assists would increase with those players around him and he would link up just fine with the likes of Ronaldo, Bale, Isco and Modric.

So yes, I do think Real Madrid would be interested in RVP however they would be looking to secure his services for around 20m but they would likely settle for a part-exchange deal if a player like Khedira wanted to leave.

In RVP they have a player that could perform at the top level for two more seasons, possibly three and it is in the next two or three seasons when they will have their best chance at the champions league. Don't forget Ronaldo is 29 therefore if they want that trophy and we all know they do then they will be thinking short term.

RVP is a better player than Benzema and with better stats (not this season anyway) stats, I didn't mean to say the opposite. Benzema is Zidane's protégé and he has improved this season under Carlo. I'm not sure they would be quick to put him on the bench when they know he performs perfectly for their system for an older player, less mobile and a bit injury prone.
Suarez would be a much better player to try to sign when age, potential and current ability are taken into account.
edit: They could be interested RVP as you convinced me of it, I just don't think he'll be a priority.

 

[Empire]

RVP is a better player than Benzema and with better stats (not this season anyway) stats, I didn't mean to say the opposite. Benzema is Zidane's protégé and he has improved this season under Carlo. I'm not sure they would be quick to put him on the bench when they know he performs perfectly for their system for an older player, less mobile and a bit injury prone.
Suarez would be a much better player to try to sign when age, potential and current ability are taken into account.
edit: They could be interested RVP as you convinced me of it, I just don't think he'll be a priority.

I know you made clear RVP is a better player but I suggested RVP would be better than he is now for Madrid and Ronaldo or Bale wouldn't really suffer with him in the team either. Suarez would also be better but he would cost a lot of money unless Suarez pushes for a move and they could get him for around 50 odd million but even then Liverpool will want Bale money.

A better tactic to employ since Suarez is 27 and RVP would be 31 in the summer, instead of paying a huge fortune for Suarez this season wait to see what happens next season on whether Liverpool can get top four again. Sign RVP as he would be very well priced and good value for money allowing funds to be allocated elsewhere and if liverpool don't get champions league football next season then Suarez is well priced. I would think there is a good chance Liverpool won't get top four again so it is worth the gamble.

Furthermore, if Khedira wanted to leave, another incentive in him going to United would be to increase their chances of top four and so preventing Liverpool from getting it. Next season without top four Suarez will push for a move to Real Madrid and I'm sure Liverpool will be forced to sell him for considerably less than what they could get this season. I'm not sure where that would leave RVP though, he would likely move elsewhere, but he wouldn't care as he would probably win La Liga and even challenge strongly for the champions league.

EDIT - Possibly Suarez could be played as a number 10, I don't know though but if Ancelotti thinks it would produce a formidable attack then perhaps.

 

[RoadTrip]

Liverpool proved that said clauses don't actually mean anything anyway.

Unrelated to the thread, but did anything come of that? It's a breach of contract but I guess it'd have to be the Suarez party which would have to begin proceedings which seems unlikely as Suarez seems happy. I hate liverpool so much lol.

 

[golden_blunder]

Bring back mega threads

 

[stu_1992]

I would be surprised if such a clause was in Van Persie's contract. I mean he signed at a time where there wasn't really a hint of us dropping out of the top 4. We know he was told Sir Alex would be here a few years longer, so I don't see why they would have insisted on that clause at the time, or why the club would grant such a thing. It would make more sense if it was player who joined during January just gone.

In any case the fact it's coming from Goal.com says a lot about the validity of the news, especially since their description of the release clause is no release clause at all.

 

[Barney]

I know you made clear RVP is a better player but I suggested RVP would be better than he is now for Madrid and Ronaldo or Bale wouldn't really suffer with him in the team either. Suarez would also be better but he would cost a lot of money unless Suarez pushes for a move and they could get him for around 50 odd million but even then Liverpool will want Bale money.

A better tactic to employ since Suarez is 27 and RVP would be 31 in the summer, instead of paying a huge fortune for Suarez this season wait to see what happens next season on whether Liverpool can get top four again. Sign RVP as he would be very well priced and good value for money allowing funds to be allocated elsewhere and if liverpool don't get champions league football next season then Suarez is well priced. I would think there is a good chance Liverpool won't get top four again so it is worth the gamble.

Furthermore, if Khedira wanted to leave, another incentive in him going to United would be to increase their chances of top four and so preventing Liverpool from getting it. Next season without top four Suarez will push for a move to Real Madrid and I'm sure Liverpool will be forced to sell him for considerably less than what they could get this season. I'm not sure where that would leave RVP though, he would likely move elsewhere, but he wouldn't care as he would probably win La Liga and even challenge strongly for the champions league.

EDIT - Possibly Suarez could be played as a number 10, I don't know though but if Ancelotti thinks it would produce a formidable attack then perhaps.

Suarez for £50m? You're having laugh.

Why would we a) not qualify for the CL next year and b) sell him for significantly less? If you said that Madrid could get him for £50m this season if he wants to move (it'll be nearly twice that if he does go) how much do you expect us to get for Suarez? £25m? £30m?

 

[Blasphemy]

OH great, another summer and another player in a will he wont he stay.
If the clause it there, then I don't think he will be here next season.
When he came I did not expect him to be a long term player, 2 - 3 seasons at most.
I dont want him to go he is a class player, but if he does he does , nothing we can do about it.

The will he won't he with Van Persie will never end either because I can't see us ever giving him another contract so it's going to be like this this summer, the summer after again when his contract is actually up in 2016.

 

[Isotope]

Judging from the content on the site you'd qualify with a pulse.

Wow. Such a punch line.

 

[Lynk]

First the swearing now these type of articles being allowed to have a thread.



RIP RedCafe

 

[Empire]

Suarez for £50m? You're having laugh.

Why would we a) not qualify for the CL next year and b) sell him for significantly less? If you said that Madrid could get him for £50m this season if he wants to move (it'll be nearly twice that if he does go) how much do you expect us to get for Suarez? £25m? £30m?

You really are delusional. I said Real Madrid will want him for £50m however Liverpool will want Bale money therefore if you think Liverpool won't sell him for around £100m then, well, that's cloud cuckoo land talk. You write in your post it will be double £50m therefore you are replying for the sake of replying, basically repeating what I stated but trying to put words in my mouth, making out as if I didn't say what I did.

You often misread my posts on this site, last time when I pointed out your consistent misinterpretations you refused to speak to me. I suggest you put me on your ignore list or start actually reading accurately.

I never said Liverpool will not qualify for CL but there is a good chance they will not, the top four will be competitive and Liverpool, Spurs, United and Arsenal will fight for two champions league spots, Liverpool are not on the level of City or Chelsea, despite your apparent thinking they will be assured of champions league next season. If you do not think this then I'm not quite sure why you contest my view that a good chance exists they won't. Good can imply greater than 50%, probability would be in favour of Liverpool not getting champions league as opposed to getting champions league. I would make Man United and Arsenal favourites ahead of Liverpool for those places, I don't see how it could be any other way given the recent history of those clubs. One bizarre season doesn't make United a club no longer favourites for top four.

I don't even understand your point B, it makes no sense. I made clear Real Madrid would take Suarez this season if they get him for £50m however anymore then they won't bother if they could get RVP for £20m (to understand this read the discussion between me and the other poster, I don't want another misinformed reply, it was all hypothetical like this very thread). I also made clear Liverpool will demand Gareth Bale money this season however if there is failure to make champions league £50m becomes realistic when Real Madrid come calling the following season as they have their ways to persuade players to push for a move and for that price Real Madrid will be interested.

Suarez would also be better but he would cost a lot of money unless Suarez pushes for a move and they could get him for around 50 odd million but even then Liverpool will want Bale money.

 

[Barney]

You really are delusional. I said Real Madrid will want him for £50m however Liverpool will want Bale money therefore if you think Liverpool won't sell him for around £100m then, well, that's cloud cuckoo land talk. You write in your post it will be double £50m therefore you are replying for the sake of replying, basically repeating what I stated but trying to put words in my mouth, making out as if I didn't say what I did.

You often misread my posts on this site, last time when I pointed out your consistent misinterpretations you refused to speak to me. I suggest you put me on your ignore list or start actually reading accurately.

I never said Liverpool will not qualify for CL but there is a good chance they will not, the top four will be competitive and Liverpool, Spurs, United and Arsenal will fight for two champions league spots, Liverpool are not on the level of City or Chelsea, despite your apparent thinking they will be assured of champions league next season. If you do not think this then I'm not quite sure why you contest my view that a good chance exists they won't. Good can imply greater than 50%, probability would be in favour of Liverpool not getting champions league as opposed to getting champions league. I would make Man United and Arsenal favourites ahead of Liverpool for those places, I don't see how it could be any other way given the recent history of those clubs. One bizarre season doesn't make United a club no longer favourites for top four.

I don't even understand your point B, it makes no sense. I made clear Real Madrid would take Suarez this season if they get him for £50m however anymore then they won't bother if they could get RVP for £20m (to understand this read the discussion between me and the other poster, I don't want another misinformed reply, it was all hypothetical like this very thread). I also made clear Liverpool will demand Gareth Bale money this season however if there is failure to make champions league £50m becomes realistic when Real Madrid come calling the following season as they have their ways to persuade players to push for a move and for that price Real Madrid will be interested.

You said the following: "He would cost a lot of money unless Suarez pushes for a move and they could get him for around 50 odd million..." That sounds to me like you think we'd sell him for £50m if Suarez agitated for a transfer.

When have I refused to talk to you?

You've said there's a good chance we won't qualify next year. I've not said we're guaranteed anything. I'm bemused that you think things will suddenly become alright again under Moyes and you'll suddenly be favourites again. We'll see how the table stands at the end of the season before making claims about how our squad stacks up. The table doesn't lie, or that's what I've been told by United supporters anyway.

You said if he agitated for a move you think he'd go for around £50m. You then said if we didn't qualify for the champions league we'd get significantly less too. Logic would dictate that if you combined the two together we'd be getting less than £50m.

 

[Amir]

First the swearing now these type of articles being allowed to have a thread.

RIP RedCafe

He has a release clause, but clubs will have to agree a fee and the board will have to sanction the deal. Which is kind of like not having a release clause at all. Really should have closed the thread when that was established as part of the 'article'.

 

[vanthaman]

Van Persie: I want to stay
Robin van Persie has spoken out to set the record straight, insisting he wants to remain at Manchester United beyond his current contract, which runs until summer 2016.

In a revealing interview with official matchday programme United Review, the Dutchman says he felt compelled to address current press speculation claiming he wants out of Old Trafford and doesn’t get on with key staff and team-mates.

“I don’t mind if my performances get dissected and people criticise what I’ve done on the pitch,” van Persie said. “They can talk about my game 24/7 for all I care… and a lot of those opinions and criticisms may actually be right. So I don’t mind that.

“What I need to address are the situations when people are taking it upon themselves to think for me, make assumptions, or interpret things as if they are me. Last time I checked my head was still attached to my body, so I’m the only one who knows exactly what I’m feeling and that is not what I or the fans have been reading.

“The truth is I’m very happy here at this club. I signed for four years and I’d be delighted to stay even longer, beyond the next two years I have left on my contract. This is how I feel, although it’s not what has been suggested in the media.”

Robin also underlined he has a good relationship with his team-mates and club coaching staff, including manager David Moyes.

 

[Bebe]

Don't believe that for a second. He wants out and is prepared to activate his release clause. Goal.com told me so.

Why oh why was there a thread made for this???

 

[Empire]

You said the following: "He would cost a lot of money unless Suarez pushes for a move and they could get him for around 50 odd million..." That sounds to me like you think we'd sell him for £50m if Suarez agitated for a transfer.

This is the first time in the mains somebody has done to me what all the noobs do, and that is taking only part of my sentence, completely ignoring the rest. Putting words into my mouth, oh it's been a while!

Why don't we finish the sentence eh?

Suarez would also be better but he would cost a lot of money unless Suarez pushes for a move and they could get him for around 50 odd million but even then Liverpool will want Bale money.

Now let's dissect the meaning of the bit you conveniently left out:

• Liverpool = the football club you support.
• Bale money = Around £100m

So what do we have? Liverpool will want around £100m.

So I'm not quite sure how, from myself stating Liverpool wanting £100m, you thought I was stating Liverpool want to sell him for £50m.

Now the bit before:

Suarez would also be better but he would cost a lot of money unless Suarez pushes for a move and they could get him for around 50 odd million

Suarez is the player we are talking about. Real Madrid would probably be looking to want him for £50m considering his age and violent tendencies, therefore if they could get him for this then fine, however, as mentioned in the bit you choose to ignore, Liverpool would want Bale money.

The entire response was in discussion with another poster that if RVP hypothetically wanted to leave, Real Madrid might be able to sign him for £20m and if such was the case it would make more sense to sign RVP for £20m than Suarez for £100m. Especially considering the season after Liverpool could miss out on champions league football making it cheaper to sign Suarez.

I say this to the noobs, I am aware you are not a noob however I will too say it to you. In future it is worth reading the whole sentence and not half of it, and it is worth looking at the post to which that response was written to get an idea of the ongoing discussion and so, the context.

When have I refused to talk to you?

In another thread, you stopped discussing something with me.

You've said there's a good chance we won't qualify next year. I've not said we're guaranteed anything. I'm bemused that you think things will suddenly become alright again under Moyes and you'll suddenly be favourites again. We'll see how the table stands at the end of the season before making claims about how our squad stacks up. The table doesn't lie, or that's what I've been told by United supporters anyway.

Well, by your response here you think Liverpool should be favourites for champions league football next season. That would mean in a contest between Arsenal, Spurs, United and Liverpool, when Liverpool will have a lot more football to play, you think that club should be favourites based on one excellent season and for United, one poor season.

You think last season is enough to go by completely ignoring the recent history of the clubs. I don't really know how to react to your assertion Liverpool should be favourites simply because I would have thought you would realise that it is not uncommon for clubs that usually do well to have an under-performing season and then come back stronger to their usual selves and on the other side, for clubs that usually don't do so well, to have a good season and then struggle again.

Therefore, I reject the notion completely Manchester United will not be favourites for champions league football because they struggled for one season and Liverpool will be more likely to get top four because they over-performed for a season (relative to the expectation based on recent premier league positions).

You said if he agitated for a move you think he'd go for around £50m. You then said if we didn't qualify for the champions league we'd get significantly less too. Logic would dictate that if you combined the two together we'd be getting less than £50m.

I said if Real Madrid could get him for £50m because he pushes for a move then they will take him. And then I said Liverpool will want Bale money, as per the lesson earlier this equates to £100m for this discussion but in reality about £85m I think they paid. So at this point I made clear Liverpool will want Bale money, then I talked about how in the hypothetical scenario of next season Liverpool do not get champions league football he would go for considerably less than what they could get this season. As mentioned earlier, his market value in their opinion would be around that of Bale, Barcelona could pay it or Chelsea, or Bayern, even if Real Madrid won't. That £100m is a fair market value therefore considerably less than this could be £50m. I also never said Real Madrid were adverse to paying this price but assuming they could hypothetically sign RVP for £20m then it would make little sense to get Suarez for such a high valuation. That was the whole point of that particular discussion...

Now, logic cannot conveniently ignore information relating to a post. You completely overlooked my statement Liverpool would want Bale money for him. That's what they would want this season because that is what Suarez is worth this season, even if they don't get champions league football that would be what he is worth the following season too probably however at that point they could be forced into the sale for less as he would strongly push for the move and Real would hold the cards.

 

[Barney]

This is the first time in the mains somebody has done to me what all the noobs do, and that is taking only part of my sentence, completely ignoring the rest. Putting words into my mouth, oh it's been a while!

Why don't we finish the sentence eh?



Now let's dissect the meaning of the bit you conveniently left out:

• Liverpool = the football club you support.
• Bale money = Around £100m

So what do we have? Liverpool will want around £100m.

So I'm not quite sure how, from myself stating Liverpool wanting £100m, you thought I was stating Liverpool want to sell him for £50m.

Now the bit before:



Suarez is the player we are talking about. Real Madrid would probably be looking to want him for £50m considering his age and violent tendencies, therefore if they could get him for this then fine, however, as mentioned in the bit you choose to ignore, Liverpool would want Bale money.

The entire response was in discussion with another poster that if RVP hypothetically wanted to leave, Real Madrid might be able to sign him for £20m and if such was the case it would make more sense to sign RVP for £20m than Suarez for £100m. Especially considering the season after Liverpool could miss out on champions league football making it cheaper to sign Suarez.

I say this to the noobs, I am aware you are not a noob however I will too say it to you. In future it is worth reading the whole sentence and not half of it, and it is worth looking at the post to which that response was written to get an idea of the ongoing discussion and so, the context.



In another thread, you stopped discussing something with me.



Well, by your response here you think Liverpool should be favourites for champions league football next season. That would mean in a contest between Arsenal, Spurs, United and Liverpool, when Liverpool will have a lot more football to play, you think that club should be favourites based on one excellent season and for United, one poor season.

You think last season is enough to go by completely ignoring the recent history of the clubs. I don't really know how to react to your assertion Liverpool should be favourites simply because I would have thought you would realise that it is not uncommon for clubs that usually do well to have an under-performing season and then come back stronger to their usual selves and on the other side, for clubs that usually don't do so well, to have a good season and then struggle again.

Therefore, I reject the notion completely Manchester United will not be favourites for champions league football because they struggled for one season and Liverpool will be more likely to get top four because they over-performed for a season (relative to the expectation based on recent premier league positions).



I said if Real Madrid could get him for £50m because he pushes for a move then they will take him. And then I said Liverpool will want Bale money, as per the lesson earlier this equates to £100m for this discussion but in reality about £85m I think they paid. So at this point I made clear Liverpool will want Bale money, then I talked about how in the hypothetical scenario of next season Liverpool do not get champions league football he would go for considerably less than what they could get this season. As mentioned earlier, his market value in their opinion would be around that of Bale, Barcelona could pay it or Chelsea, or Bayern, even if Real Madrid won't. That £100m is a fair market value therefore considerably less than this could be £50m. I also never said Real Madrid were adverse to paying this price but assuming they could hypothetically sign RVP for £20m then it would make little sense to get Suarez for such a high valuation. That was the whole point of that particular discussion...

Now, logic cannot conveniently ignore information relating to a post. You completely overlooked my statement Liverpool would want Bale money for him. That's what they would want this season because that is what Suarez is worth this season, even if they don't get champions league football that would be what he is worth the following season too probably however at that point they could be forced into the sale for less as he would strongly push for the move and Real would hold the cards.

The latter part of the sentence didn't matter in this circumstance. You said they could get him for that price, even though we'd want circa £100m. I didn't say that you suggested we would want to sell at £50m. For someone that gets so upset about people misunderstanding his posts you do it a lot yourself don't you?

Which thread? Are you referring to the race for fifth place thread? Yep, I did due to the fact that you continously stick little digs in at posters who disagree with you.

I don't know who will be favourites. It obviously depends on what the squads look like come next season. If we were just challenging for the top four I'd agree with you, maybe we wouldn't be likely to repeat the feat. We're challenging for the title however. This he's done with essentially two signings (Toure and Mignolet) seeing as Sakho, Ilori, Aspas and Alberto haven't played a significant number of games.

 

[Empire]

The latter part of the sentence didn't matter in this circumstance. You said they could get him for that price, even though we'd want circa £100m. I didn't say that you suggested we would want to sell at £50m. For someone that gets so upset about people misunderstanding his posts you do it a lot yourself don't you?

Context doesn't matter? Are you a WUM by any chance?

I said if Real Madrid could get Suarez for £50m they will sign him. That means should it be possible, they will spend that cash, however since Liverpool will want Bale money they would be better off signing RVP for £20m. That was the whole point of that post in response to the hypothetical scenario RVP wanted to leave.

How can you honestly say to me my statement of Liverpool wanting Bale money is not relevant?

Ahh, now you suggest that you never said I suggested you guys would sell him for £50m, let's have a look at what you said:

You said if he agitated for a move you think he'd go for around £50m.

You said, that I said, he'd go for around £50m. In order for him to go, he must be sold, therefore you said that I said he would be sold for around £50m and now you are saying that you never said that I suggested you would want to sell him at £50m.

He can't just magically go, Liverpool would have to make the decision to sell him. Even if he forced a move they would sell him because it's what they wanted, they wouldn't want the hassle of keeping him otherwise they would not sell him and keep him. When I say Liverpool want £100m then that's what I mean they want and not another figure. Like when I say Suarez wants ice cream, I don't mean Suarez wants pancakes.

So basically you have told me that I misunderstood what you posted because you never said, that I suggested, Liverpool would want to sell him for £50m, despite previously posting, that I said, if he agitated for a move, that I think he would go for around £50m, so actually I never misunderstood the post and you did suggest, that I said, he would go for £50m thus negating your entire comment about me misunderstanding the post.

The above point is only invalid if you think him going for £50m is not the same as him being sold for £50m and if you think such a thought then you understand the little digs I have at your logic.

Which thread? Are you referring to the race for fifth place thread? Yep, I did due to the fact that you continously stick little digs in at posters who disagree with you.

Actually that dig was the first of its kind and clearly you gave up arguing a futile point. I stated 78 points is still possible to get fourth and there is a small chance this could occur although it in all likelihood won't and this weekend will probably eliminate any hope as I expect a draw. That said, I made clear there is a small chance and not as you suggested 'no chance', I then touched upon Arsenal's record last season in the last 10 games despite struggles all season and Wigan's the season before. I suggested if Wigan could win 7 out of 10 games beating Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Newcastle after only getting the same points as fulham this season after the same games, then Man United could also still turn things around doing a little better than Wigan however it is a very small chance but one cannot say there is no chance.

You of course were adamant it is impossible but you could not provide any logic behind why such is the case. The probability is so small it is fair to say it probably won't happen however there is that small chance. One cannot logically argue there is no chance as you soon found out and stopped the discussion.

I don't know who will be favourites. It obviously depends on what the squads look like come next season. If we were just challenging for the top four I'd agree with you, maybe we wouldn't be likely to repeat the feat. We're challenging for the title however. This he's done with essentially two signings (Toure and Mignolet) seeing as Sakho, Ilori, Aspas and Alberto haven't played a significant number of games.

Arsenal are also challenging for the title, does that mean Arsenal and Liverpool are now suddenly (after one season) more likely in the future to get more points than Manchester United despite the latter having one poor season?

So Arsenal and especially Liverpool struggle for seasons prior, and then they have a good season and now they will consistently do well? United do well for seasons prior and have one poor season and now they won't do well? I can't accept that logic, it would suggest the recent performance history of a club over several seasons is meaningless in predicting future positions.