Goal and an assist in a 3-0 win - fail to see any reason for criticism. Pleased for RvP, because rumours of his demise are way overstated. Seems a player can't just be plain out of form anymore without being sent to the scrapyard.
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Watching the game again he was really poor apart from the 10 minutes or so before his goal. I don't think it should buy him another extended run in the side if he continues to perform badly now Falcao is back, his overall performance needs to improve a lot in the next game.
I was at he game and watched RVP the service was not great to him around the box. He even had to drop deep at times just to get a touch, he made plenty of runs of the ball. Looked a little low in confidence but hopefully his goal helps that front. Seemed to run out of steam a little at the end and then Falcao came on. Wouldn't be unhappy with his performance at all yesterday.
He started in a deeper role so I'd say that was intentional.
If class is permanent then why isn't Bobby Charlton still in the team?
I'm pleased for him, he's not in decline at all. The World Cup was only four or five months ago and he was one of the best players at the tournament, you don't go to turning crap so quickly after that.
He scored a great goal but he was pretty average throughout the tournament. He has been in bad form pretty much since last season, but yesterday was a sign of better things to come.
He's retired mate.
Can anyone post his stats from the game yesterday, it felt like the number of times he lost possession was approaching double digits.
By deep I was meaning into the midfield and he certainly didn't start in midfield.
Comparing a 31 year old man to someone in their 70's probably isn't the way to point out any flaws in a statement.
I noticed this too. I wouldn't start him against Stoke but it looks like we're working Falcao back up to fitness and I'm not sure if Wilson is even fit.
Spain game aside, I thought he was shite in the World Cup. Definitely not one of the better players or something like that. And of course he's in decline, he's 31 years old and had all his injury problems. Anyone at that point in their career would be in decline. He's been in a steady decline ever since January 2013 pretty much, though was still class until fergie retired and a bit into moyes' reign. Just nowhere near his 11/12 form. This past year has been poor though, if you want to call it a poor run of form go ahead, but I think it's just more likely due to age and his injury problems taking its toll.
I saw him in a testimonial in the 80's (can't remember whose - I think it was against the 1977 cup winners) and he scored a belter. He'd have been in his late forties, I reckon
It looked like we started with van Persie playing behind Rooney and Di Maria. Once Di Maria pulled up, he went back upfront and Mata went into the #10 role.
Thought he was pretty average other than the goal and its just masked another average performance. I'd love to see a fully fit Falcao upfront instead of him.
I know he got the goal and assist but he wasn't great yesterday. Very average I would say, lost the ball too many times. But I'm hoping the goal will give him confidence so I would still start him against Stoke.
He's in decline because he's 31?
Ibrahimovic right now is playing the best he's ever played and he's 33, Zidane was sublime at 30-33 years of age as well, and many more players. Van Persie was injured a lot when he was younger, so he still should have plenty left in the tank, you act like his game relies heavily on pace when it clearly doesn't. Also the bit about him declining from January 2013, where exactly did you get this precise date from lol?He definitely needs to start scoring some goals now, I'm talking braces and maybe some hat-ricks, until his goal record goes completely sour then I refuse to believe he's in a steady decline, and it most definitely isn't because of his age which isn't even that old by the way.
If anything, the injuries will mean his decline will come sooner... They don't prolong careers just because they didn't play. Ibra was never really injury prone and is a different beast altogether to rvp. He is a tank physically so he can boss defences around even at his age.He's in decline because he's 31?
He definitely needs to start scoring some goals now, I'm talking braces and maybe some hat-ricks, until his goal record goes completely sour then I refuse to believe he's in a steady decline, and it most definitely isn't because of his age which isn't even that old by the way.
And I've used my eyes really. He was absolutely world class between 11-12, but since the start of 2013 he wasn't quite as good and has steadily gotten worse or more invisible in games. Last season he had a good scoring record but there's no doubt that has impact on games was greatly reduced, which means he declined, by the very definition of the word, no? This season has been even worse. He's just followed the standard timeline for a steady decline really, taking into account his age and his overall performances. Not all about the goals, and they covered up his ineffective performances last season.
If anyone thinks Van Persie hasn't declined since his level 3 years ago when he was in his prime, then you must have thought he was a pretty shite player basically, because for the most part this season he's been shite.
Seemed like it's just his first touch that's deserted him, still making excellent runs and still capable of those sublime finishes, not many forwards can generate that power with very little back lift.
He's missed Carrick in my opinion, start him next game and see if Carrick can pick out those runs just like he did for the header.
He's missed Carrick in my opinion, start him next game and see if Carrick can pick out those runs just like he did for the header.
Agreed. But not this shite.
I suspect he is in decline but he's still a world class striker. Foolish to write a guy off with such skill on the ball and powerful finishing.
The Flying Header is becoming a bit of a trademark for him
He's brilliant. Has a few not so great games and he's in decline.
Knee jerk reaction on the caf? Never.
Knee jerk reaction on the caf? Never.
Its not so knee jerk if you compare his performances last year from those the two before that, and with the fact that you're looking at a 31 year old player. Everyone's happy for him and his goal but that doesn't change the inevitable.
I can see RvP being able to play at a high level until say 35/36 assuming he doesn't get a nasty injury.
He's never been reliant on pace.
That's true, although his injury history doesn't support that as very likely. Nor would it make sense for us to use a 34/35 year old striker when strikers are typically at their best in their mid 20s.
Carrick and Herrera seemed to be making a big effort to play him in the way he likes, which was nice. I was just glad he got the goal. He definitely needed it. Probably won't play Tuesday night anyway given how soon it is
If Fellaini, Mata, Valencia, Young etc. lost possession as much as Van Persie did yesterday they would get so much abuse, he fortunately has an amazing goal to distract from that but he still as a lot to improve on.
Van Persie made 19/20 passes. 95%.
Yeah, Van Persie has been immune from criticism here all season.
Get on a players back and sooner or later the good ones will answer the criticism.
RVP is a quality player so it was inevitable.
But the current tread is for every forward player to be playmaker so the likes of RVP or Benzema will always appear less busy than a Messi or Aguero type.
RVP is a quality player so it was inevitable.
But the current tread is for every forward player to be playmaker so the likes of RVP or Benzema will always appear less busy than a Messi or Aguero type.
Carrick playing is a big plus for RVP, he's naturally in tune with the runs he makes.
I think he enjoys having Carrick in the team and at his passing best. Although I thought RvP was still poor in possession his runs were spotted more because of Carrick's superb vision (like that offside diving header). So with Carrick back playing I would expect RvP to get more chances to score, he just has to sharpen up his all round play which is the real issue for me.
That's true. I was getting annoyed by him constantly losing the ball, especially when he should have made a pass to Rooney but instead tried to get past 3 Hull players
That's nice but there are more ways to lose possession than misplacing a pass. Just watch the game again, he gave away the ball several times.
I think The Neviller said it best in his analysis - that it's not RvP who has declined massively, but that we lacked players who could spot his run off the shoulders of the defenders:
The return of Carrick & Herrera to the 1st team in the last match just highlights this point.
The return of Carrick & Herrera to the 1st team in the last match just highlights this point.
Just needs a break.
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