any good compilations of him for his time at united ?
20
Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 29
- Goals
- 10
- Assists
- 3
- Yellow cards
- 5
- Status
Flip, I forgot how good some of those goals were. Truly a fantastic buy by Sir Alex.
Great player and all its great that we have him, but was it really a great buy? Was pretty short sighted at the time, won us a title sure but in the process it screwed over like 4 other players. Rooney became unsettled, Welbeck was shifted out to the wing and Hernandez became purely a sub with no hope of starting, and then it also forced Kagawa out wide or to the bench. SAF basically ripped up any plans he had to build a squad that summer and decided to just sign him, which in the process gave us such a poorly balanced squad right now. He won us the title that first year and is a world class player of course, but I'm not sure if you can say its a fantastic buy because you could definitely be argue we'd be better off if we signed a midfielder in place of him that summer.
He is the best striker we have and no Rooney isn't better. He also tracks back and defends well too. He is getting along but if he can stay injury free, he should start scoring like the first season.
Last season, Moyes clearly fcuked him and the rest of the team over. Yes Rooney is captain now, but that just means he should be the best team player because I doubt he will score more than Robin will if both play consistently and injury free.
Yes Welbeck deserves a chance but I would prefer a firing Van Persie any day.
Last season, Moyes clearly fcuked him and the rest of the team over. Yes Rooney is captain now, but that just means he should be the best team player because I doubt he will score more than Robin will if both play consistently and injury free.
Yes Welbeck deserves a chance but I would prefer a firing Van Persie any day.
This.
Without him City would have won the league 3 seasons in a row.
He was worth it on that alone.
I'm not saying he was a waste of money, because he did win us the title. What I'm saying is would we be better off at the time if we bought a top midfielder instead of him and made Kagawa a #10 behind Rooney full time? Think our whole team would be better off and we wouldn't be in the state we are now. Signing van Persie won us the title that season, but sir Alex then retired and it then fecked us over having him, Rooney, Kagawa and now mata as well.
That is like saying that we shouldn't have bought Mata so we could have Rooney up front with RvP and Kagawa behind as number 10. i.e. the formation LvG is trying out.
I still believe Rooney was on the way out of a Sir Alex side and think the bigwigs decided to cash in on Rooney instead and asked Sir Alex to retire. And I believe RvP was brought in to either replace Rooney or to bring him back in line. Well Rooney got a 300 000 pound raise and still was rather mediocre last season even if he was our best player.
I still believe Rooney was on the way out of a Sir Alex side and think the bigwigs decided to cash in on Rooney instead and asked Sir Alex to retire. And I believe RvP was brought in to either replace Rooney or to bring him back in line. Well Rooney got a 300 000 pound raise and still was rather mediocre last season even if he was our best player.
I'm not sure if he is better then Rooney to be honest. Between 2011-2013 yes, but other then that in his whole career, he hasn't been. Actually I think 2011 was the first time Van Persie ever outscored Rooney in a season (Rooney had the contract issues and the awful first half that year) and it was 22-16 in Van Persie's favour, the next year both had great years, RVP getting 37 and Rooney 34 (in 5 less appearances), and then Van Persie's first season at united he was obviously class all year and Rooney had an iffy year. Other then that though, Rooney has always outscored him and has hardly ever been the main striker for us.
Van Persie though I think just isn't as good as he was anymore, be it because of the injuries or just a natural small regression because of the age (he is 31 now after all). We'll see how he does this season, but he was pretty shite in the world cup bar the first game against Spain.
Sir Alex's plan was to offload Rooney, play RvP as a center forward and Kagawa as the #10. He'd never have been in for Mata.
But if we didn't sign him, he would have gone to City. Really can't predict these things, but I get where you're coming from.
No we shouldn't have bought Mata either, though if we had a competent manager I doubt they would spend 37m on a player who wasn't needed at all. Great to have him but we slightly improved the strongest position in the team when every other position had weaknesses.
I agree though, I do think Fergie after he bought RVP and couldn't really get them to play that well together, decided to get rid of Rooney and play Kagawa behind him instead of behind Rooney like he originally planned before he realized RvP was a realistic target. He then retired though so couldn't do it.
He might have gone to Juventus who were strongly in for him at the time too. But then again, yeah you can't predict these things and it is all hindsight. If Fergie was 10-15 years younger and didn't feel he'd retire soon I'm not sure if he would have signed him though.
If I remember correctly, Van Persie was injured a lot of the Arsenal seasons predating 2011. I seem to remember Arsenal fans complaining about all his injuries throughout his time with them except the final two.
Rooney became our striker of choice when Ronaldo left until RvP arrived.
Rooney became our striker of choice when Ronaldo left until RvP arrived.
Yeah it obviously plays a part, but if you take into account Rooney time at United and Van Persie's whole career (gives similar appearance numbers and using Rooney at 16 in the premier league isn't exactly a fair measure...), their scoring records are almost identical, Rooney with 217 goals in 443 games and Van Persie with 202 goals in 431 games. Van Persie moved to
BS you just made half of that up to suit your argument. How does buying the best striker in the premier league imbalance the squad lol? Welbeck and Hernandez were and still are nowhere near RVP's level anway so that's a stupid point to make anyway.
Apparently "Fergie ripped up any chance to build a squad that summer"?
Erm what? Kagawa got plenty of playing time in that 2012/13 season, every time he played in the hole even under Moyes, he's looked far from convincing anyway. Rooney was far more effective through the middle so Kagawa was best utilized on the left anyway.
Van Persie was a brilliant signing.
To be honest, I don't remember Rooney having a sterling world cup either. I believe RvP outscored him.
That point was just individually on Van Persie and my hopes that he'd get back to his best with Van Gaal, he still just looked out of sorts sort of. You can't read much into World Cups though. I hope Van Gaal gets the best out of him and brings him back to his form between 2011-2013, if anyone can, it'd be him.To be honest, I don't remember Rooney having a sterling world cup either. I believe RvP outscored him.
Yep, I certainly hope so. RvP announced on FB that he hopes to start the weekend.
*edit* oh wait, he said looking forward to the sunday.
Which I hope it means he is starting.
*edit* oh wait, he said looking forward to the sunday.
Which I hope it means he is starting.
What part did I make up? The part that Kagawa played a large part of that season on the wing, as did Welbeck (loads of times as just a sub), or Hernandez only being a sub or playing when others got injured? I'm not saying they are as good as RVP by any stretch anyways, I said he did screw them over a bit by signing Van Persie when both had very promising years in the 2 years prior and formed good partnerships with Rooney.BS you just made half of that up to suit your argument. How does buying the best striker in the premier league imbalance the squad lol? Welbeck and Hernandez were and still are nowhere near RVP's level anway so that's a stupid point to make anyway.
Apparently "Fergie ripped up any chance to build a squad that summer"?
Kagawa got plenty of playing time in that 2012/13 season, every time he played in the hole even under Moyes, he's looked far from convincing anyway. Rooney was far more effective through the middle so Kagawa was best utilized on the left anyway.
Van Persie was a brilliant signing.
Also, it doesn't matter how good he was, you look at the quality you have at the club already. Rooney had just come off the back of a season where he scored 34 goals, Welbeck had his first season at United as a first team player and was getting better, and Hernandez was an excellent 3rd choice. We had a shite midfield at the time (Carrick was good but nowhere near his 2012/13 form the year before), our wingers to be fair were in good form the year before but Fergie clearly wanted to strengthen and was chasing Hazard and Lucas Moura but eventually backed out of both because agent fees. After signing Kagawa, he obviously planned to sign a winger to go on the other side of Valencia/Nani (both excellent at the time remember), and use Kagawa behind Rooney. That's what I mean by his plans to build a new United team. Then Van Persie became available and he pretty much scrapped all that and just signed him despite him being 29 at the time. It's just short sighted thinking. He was the best striker in the league then, yes, but not too far ahead of Rooney to be honest.
In the end, yes Van Persie won us the title that year, but there are certainly very valid arguments to be made that it came at the cost of the futures of a few different players here at United already and Fergie more resorted to just effective football to win one last title, rather then get a good style of play going.
I don't think hes got his 2012 form left in him. If he does we could potentially sneak in a top 4 finish. We're really gonna need him at his mercurial best this season.
Some of those goals go some way to explaining Valencia hitting the markers legs when trying to cross.
edit: Ooooooooooooof, that volley vs Villa.. Definitely worth the fee alone.
edit: Ooooooooooooof, that volley vs Villa.. Definitely worth the fee alone.
Last edited:
Can't wait for him to return to full fitness. We need his hold up play and technical skill badly.
It was good plan. And would have got rid of all the unbalanced issues we have in our attack currently. Rvp up top, Kagawa as a 10, with Welbeck and Hernandez both lined up as Rvp's successor in a couple of years time, and being cover for the striker position. Januzaj would probably have been Kagawa's cover and would also have gotten a few games in the front four as well. It was exactly the kind of team building and planning Ferguson was very good at.
He should start, imo. Will give the other players a morale boost to have him back.
This video has just renewed my faith that we could reach the top 4 with some extra strength in other areas. He just scores from even mediocre chances, and surely teaming up with Mata with a manager who knows how to utilize them both we're gonna see more goals.
There's also a couple of excellent assists from Rooney in there, which again, renews some faith in our attack.
Jones looks like Brienne of Tarth there.
@bosnian_red
I see where you're coming from re RVP's effect on the team. Its a good point but you can look at any transfer like that.
I see where you're coming from re RVP's effect on the team. Its a good point but you can look at any transfer like that.
If Moyes & Woody had the balls, he'd have told Chelsea to up their offer to 35M and sold him when he demanded a transfer last season. That's one issue I think Sir. Alex could have put an end to before his retirement.
LVG just said Robin is ready to play to MUTV.
Robin is ready to play - LVG (MUTV)
Good stuff. One positive after the Herrera news. Maybe he can come up a piece of brilliance or two to get us over the line on Sunday. Probably depends on how fit he is.
Sky sports have just shown that we had a better win rate without Van Persie last season. However, these stats can always be misleading as the games we won were most likely the 'easier' games on paper, although we lost to the likes of West Brom, Newcastle, Stoke, etc.
Indeed. We will compete for trophies this season & if we do, i'd be shocked if it were not because of Van Persie. I feel he'll be renewed & reinvigorated under Van Gaal, other people don't seem so hopeful but I think he's going to smash the league this year.
Indeed. People seem to have very short memories - the guy is undoubtedly class. There are so many brilliant goals in there (Wigan away, WBA, West Ham away, Fulham, Arsenal away, Stoke & his 2nd + 3rd vs Villa). Hope he has an even better season this time, he has it in him.
Sunderland 1:1 Man Utd
I've changed my mind, he's starting to look old, done some great Hernandez impressions by persistently being offside when I've watched him in his last 6-7 games.
Just don't think he's as good as he once was. Injuries took their toll. You can't use the not looking fit excuse forever.
Everyone in our team looks old.
He was OK I thought, especially for his first game.
He's not going to age well here.
- Status