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He looks in sharp decline. I don't see any signs of life in him.
Has a serious case of Torres syndrome at the moment.
Tbf he put in a good shift but his fitness looks to be gone. Falcao came on and look twice as mobile as him.
Let's put it this way. Falcao hasn't looked very sharp with his finishing in his little over 3 games or whatever it is. However, for me, his link up play and overall game has been quite a bit better than RVP's. RVP is not finishing in a way that justifies him being kept in the team at the moment over Falcao. Nor are we a team that requires individual brilliance from him like 2012/2013. This team has goals in it, and I think we would be better off with Falcao over RVP if we go for one striker. Strange that they finally seemed to link-up well at the end of this game.
People apperently forgot Di Maria was the one who kicked the ball over the sideline for no reason at all, leading to WBA's first goal? Angel didn't have a good game tonight, definitely not a better game than RVP. Mata and Adnan weren't better than Robin was today, those were our four attacking players. Comparing his performance to non-attacking players is a bit more difficult. But I'd say:
Herrera was worse than Van Persie today. Our four defenders made silly mistakes costing us the win, Shaw was particularly bad. David de Gea didn't save much. Leaving only Blind to perform much better than RVP tonight, making RVP the second best player in our starting 11 in my opinion.
RVP gets the stick for his decision making? Yet Shaw was playing on Buttner level tonight, didn't stop him from trying to do a Roberto Carlos pass in the 60 minute or so, losing the ball again. Mata lost some silly balls, Adnan and Angel too, leading to a goal for WBA. People also conveniently forget RVP hitting the inside of post, he was literally an inch away from a goal. But yeah obviously he is past it. So whatever.
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Herrera was worse than Van Persie today. Our four defenders made silly mistakes costing us the win, Shaw was particularly bad. David de Gea didn't save much. Leaving only Blind to perform much better than RVP tonight, making RVP the second best player in our starting 11 in my opinion.
RVP gets the stick for his decision making? Yet Shaw was playing on Buttner level tonight, didn't stop him from trying to do a Roberto Carlos pass in the 60 minute or so, losing the ball again. Mata lost some silly balls, Adnan and Angel too, leading to a goal for WBA. People also conveniently forget RVP hitting the inside of post, he was literally an inch away from a goal. But yeah obviously he is past it. So whatever.
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Numbers are not everything, but..
I think about 10-days old data.
I think about 10-days old data.
Di Maria had a few wayward passes for sure but that's a ludicrous statement.
Keep playing him up top with Falcao. I am convinced he just needs a partner to make runs off him and make space for him.
At this stage all that he offers is the possibility that he'll score a difficult chance, due to his technique.
That's outweighed by the fact that he slows things down, wants it into feet, doesn't always challenge for the ball, doesn't link-up well with another striker, can't go in behind, doesn't suit a counter...
My opinion - we have never looked that truly fluid since van Persie arrived (unless he's not been playing) but that was alright when he was consistently scoring to make up for it.
Nowadays he doesn't even do that. And he's even worse for the overall play.
That's outweighed by the fact that he slows things down, wants it into feet, doesn't always challenge for the ball, doesn't link-up well with another striker, can't go in behind, doesn't suit a counter...
My opinion - we have never looked that truly fluid since van Persie arrived (unless he's not been playing) but that was alright when he was consistently scoring to make up for it.
Nowadays he doesn't even do that. And he's even worse for the overall play.
I think that's like the 4th time this season that Di Maria has played him in on a one and one and he has hit it straight at the keeper.
I keep saying though, he has great movement upfront, LVG must value that quite a lot.
I keep saying though, he has great movement upfront, LVG must value that quite a lot.
I thought he was alright...probably better than in most of his recent performances. The issue is that we compare him to his old high standard and he isn't near that at the moment. Has definitely declined I think. Some decisions about his role have to be made.
Doesn't look out of form, he just looks shot.
To be fair, his movement is still good, but if you do nothing with it, whats the point? He used to smash them in the top corner, nowadays it all are mishit volleys.
I know he was getting a hammering in the match day thread but I actually thought he played OK. Made some decent runs, especially in the first half. I know he's not at the required level yet but today, for me, he was better.
What exactly do we play RvP for? His finishing? This was the 4th or 5th time that ADM put him clean through and he completely fluffed his lines. Do we play him for his hard work? No, he's quite the passenger. The one time he did work hard and win the ball from Lescott, he had Mata clear in the box with a simple chance to score and he decided to be selfish, take his time with the ball and just waste it. Do we play him for his build up play and ability to bring others into play? Clearly not because he's slow, lethargic and doesn't spot some very obvious runs. Falcao is also much much better than him in the buildup play. We blamed it on his fitness early season but he's played 90 mins on multiple occasions for club and country now and he shows absolutely no sign of improvement. LVG loves the guy so it won't happen but when Rooney returns, we really need to go to Rooney-Falcao.
Refuse to believe he is "past it" but definitely out of form...
Falcao on the other hand seems to be hitting a peak
Falcao on the other hand seems to be hitting a peak
Well even so, I don't see how Di Maria had a better game than RVP tonight. The stats are very interesting, because time and again I hear the managers and ex players on tv say that the forwards are the players who are most dependant on the rest of the team. Looking at those statistics you could just as easily say it's because he's been playing in an inferior team since the start of 2013/2014, which is true.
Doesn't mean I think he's in truly devastating form or anything, but if you want to talk stats, I could just as easily say that in the 2013/2014 season for Holland, he scored 6 goals in 4 World Cup Qualifiers and 4 goals in 6 World Cup matches. Scoring 10 in 10 makes great stats. And if you look at this season, last game for us I thought he had a quiet game. Game before that against West Ham he was excellent. Tonight he was the best of our attacking players. Combine all that and I simpy don't see how he is the problem. Same goes Rooney, Falcao, Di Maria or even Mata and Adnan for that matter, the attacking players are not really the problem.
His hold up play was dire today, no presence up front.
I don't blame him for the result, but feel the result might have been different had Falcao started in his place. He must have some record for hitting the woodwork.
He's definitely playing with some sort of injury. He's not nearly as mobile as he should be
Di Maria put in about 7 or 8 extremely dangerous crosses which RVP got nowhere near. He also played RVP in once if I remember correctly. He also helped create the Fellaini goal. Not his usual standard but much better than RVP.
It must be, because he stifles the team's play.
It's alright to stifle the teams play if you deliver and score important goals. But if you don't, it's time to try someone else.
We have a clinical Rooney and probably the best finisher in the world in Falcao for that! That surely can't be the reason for him to start.
It can only be that Van Gaal believes that the Van Persie of a couple of years ago can come again but I completely agree that he looks completely off the pace at the moment. It's a shame to see because his first 6 months here, he played some of the best football I've ever seen a United player play but it's been a long time where he's not looked sharp. In a strange way I hope he is carrying an injury because at least then there's a chance that he can get back to something close to his best, the alternative is that he's finished. The other issue is Mata, if he was playing well then there'd be more of an incentive to play him behind Rooney and Falcao but he's in poor form as well.
If he starts the next match then I'd seriously start questioning Van Gaal's judgement! The number of inviting crosses that Di Maria put in that he never made an attempt to attack is infuriating. It's time to play Falcao on his own until Rooney returns or else he will drag us down with him. It's not like him and Mata have posted numbers that justify their inclusion at the risk of the team's solidity either.
LVG needs to start putting out a team that is solid, which defends from the front and can play a bit more cohesively not to continue shoehorning big names that haven't earnt their keep. If he doesn't then the next couple of weeks will be ugly, really ugly.
LVG needs to start putting out a team that is solid, which defends from the front and can play a bit more cohesively not to continue shoehorning big names that haven't earnt their keep. If he doesn't then the next couple of weeks will be ugly, really ugly.
Whichever way you want to paint it that was a lousy performance. Reckon you could count the number of 50/50 balls he won today on one hand and his workrate was exceptionally poor; throughout the first half you saw Herrera sprinting past him to close a defender down. If I had a choice between playing him up front in the next game or playing Fellaini there I'd probably go for Fellaini at this point. Hopefully Falcao will get the nod in the next game.
I like RVP and I think he's got a role here, but at the moment it very much looks like that role should be as a substitute.
I like RVP and I think he's got a role here, but at the moment it very much looks like that role should be as a substitute.
needs to be benched let along made captain. If LVG continues to choose him then I will have to critique his management. Simple as that.
I have no other possible reasons...
If anything I would say that RVP would benefit from a reduction in gametime at this point. Time to start managing his appearances a little better - which is easy when we have the likes of Rooney and Falcao available.
I dont think RVP can play as a lone striker any more either. Granted his appearances in the 4-4-2 this season havent been fantastic either, but his movement and work rate is so low at this stage (note that his movement in and around the box is still threatening, there just isnt enough movement in general from him) that he poses far less of a threat to opposition CBs. Not sure what the answer is with this one, he is still a valuable squad member but certainly isnt looking like he should be first choice at the moment.
I dont think RVP can play as a lone striker any more either. Granted his appearances in the 4-4-2 this season havent been fantastic either, but his movement and work rate is so low at this stage (note that his movement in and around the box is still threatening, there just isnt enough movement in general from him) that he poses far less of a threat to opposition CBs. Not sure what the answer is with this one, he is still a valuable squad member but certainly isnt looking like he should be first choice at the moment.
His hold-up play is nonexistent these days.
It'll be interesting to see what happens with his contract - I think next season is the last on his current contract, he's one of the higher earners, and we (used to) have a policy about not offering more than one-year deals to over 30s.
If the club have noticed some of the issues the supporters are worried about, then there might be a decision to be made sooner rather than later.
If the club have noticed some of the issues the supporters are worried about, then there might be a decision to be made sooner rather than later.
It may be time to suggest he moves on to Italy.
He came and did what Sir Alex bought him for, but I think he created as many problems as he solved (problems that didn't really need solving)
I can't see any system that van Persie suits better than Falcao or Rooney, and he wont like being a super sub.
Wont happen with van Gaal though...
Not to hark on a point, but for quite a few years now we have been making some very bad decisions on players who we bring in and those who we don't play and let go. Think Pogba. But in this RVP thread, selling Welbz and making RVP captain is looking a very bad choice.
Thought it last season, but he is just in a decline now. He's 31 so its to be expected, but he was shite during the world cup apart from the Spain game, and has been shite most of the time this season as well. Can be useful once he realizes that he's not what he used to be and just becomes a squad player and a bench option, but a starter he most definitely should not be anymore. Falcao is on a completely different level to him, as is Rooney.
I said it before though, we would have been far better off squad wise if Fergie never signed him. He was brilliant for that one season where he won us the title, but it unsettled Rooney, ended Kagawa's hopes of playing as a 10 pretty much, and made sure that Welbeck would only get games on the wing if he did play so he wasn't able to develop here properly. Not that I think Welbeck had enough to become a key player here, its just things could have gone differently and probably for the better in terms of the overall team without signing RvP.
I said it before though, we would have been far better off squad wise if Fergie never signed him. He was brilliant for that one season where he won us the title, but it unsettled Rooney, ended Kagawa's hopes of playing as a 10 pretty much, and made sure that Welbeck would only get games on the wing if he did play so he wasn't able to develop here properly. Not that I think Welbeck had enough to become a key player here, its just things could have gone differently and probably for the better in terms of the overall team without signing RvP.
Rooney is the captain.
Yes, I understand that Rooney is the captain. But with Roo suspended, LVG made RVP captain on the back of a number of useless performances for us.
Who would you suggest? There is a distinct lack of suitable candidates.
Because Fletcher is out of his depth, Carrick and Evans are injured. So Van Persie is the next senior player.
I guess we just found out part of our problem. Fact remains, RVP has been completely ineffectual, the team is struggling for any form, and he is the best choice for captain. Suppose Carrick would be better choice if he was fit, but he wasn't. Evans? No.
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