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TenonTen said:
And what about your board's arrogant statements on Lewandowski and his agent?

You expect them to stay silent and listen to this patronizing crap spouted by Bayern bosses.

Respect Lewandowski even more for standing up to these over entitled bunch. Your board members need a guy like Lewandowski to give them a reality check and humble them. Love his approach here.
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What arrogant statements?

That he signed a contract and that they don't want to sell him?

Can't believe there are football fans that even defend this kind of behavior from players and agents.
No wonder many United fans still want Dembele despite his character.
 
BayernFan87 said:
Maybe not for his global legacy but it will certainly hurt his legacy at Bayern.

Nobody would've been mad at him if he just said "I won everything I could, I want to experience something different and another country for the last 2 or 3 years of my career".

But what he is doing right now will always come up when people talk about him in 5 or 10 years I think.
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That's the approach he took initially. Your board took the firm stance which left him with no other option than forcing a move.
 
Mickeza said:
If that’s the case and it is all about that then I agree - I don’t know why it’s turned so nasty.
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Because Zahavi decided to make private conversations with Salihamidzic and Kahn public and accused them and other people in charge of lying.

As I said before: when Kroos, Thiago or recently Süle left us you maybe heard one or two bad words after everything was done, but this shit Telenovela show only happened with Alaba and now Lewy, both of them Zahavi clients.
Coman also hired Zahavi but fired him again after only a few months.

Yet there are still people on here defending Zahavi and Lewy and blaming the Bayern officials, it's baffling.

As if players and agents didn't have too much power already...
 
TenonTen said:
That's the approach he took initially. Your board took the firm stance which left him with no other option than forcing a move.
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Show me where Lewy stated anything even remotely as clear.

Last week he declared that he won't extend his contract, not that he definitely wants to go now. 2 or 3 days ago Barca made the first offer.
The transfer window lasts for another 3 month.

Don't act like an escalation like this was inevitable.
 
BayernFan87 said:
Because Zahavi decided to make private conversations with Salihamidzic and Kahn public and accused them and other people in charge of lying.

As I said before: when Kroos, Thiago or recently Süle left us you maybe heard one or two bad words after everything was done, but this shit Telenovela show only happened with Alaba and now Lewy, both of them Zahavi clients.
Coman also hired Zahavi but fired him again after only a few months.

Yet there are still people on here defending Zahavi and Lewy and blaming the Bayern officials, it's baffling.

As if players and agents didn't have too much power already...
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No sympathy mate. Lewa did the same to Dortmund and you happily accepted it. I just hate it when people looking for sympathy if things not suited for them.
 
Rajiztar said:
No sympathy mate. Lewa did the same to Dortmund and you happily accepted it. I just hate it when people looking for sympathy if things not suited for them.
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I'm not looking for sympathy I'm just disappointed in Lewy.

And no, he didn't to do anything like that when he was at Dortmund.
We wanted him when he had one year of contract left and Dortmund said they won't sell him, no matter what we offer.
Lewy stayed, didn't cause such a social media shit show and played a last great season for Dortmund before he left for us on a free.
So it was quite the opposite of what is happening now.

You can go and lookup my first post in this thread on page 3 or 4. I'm not mad at him for wanting to leave.

And I call out such behavior no matter the side I'm on. There are rumors that Bayern are interested in Dembele and I really, really hope that we won't sign him because of what he did before joining Dortmund and Barca.
 
BayernFan87 said:
Show me where Lewy stated anything even remotely as clear.

Last week he declared that he won't extend his contract, not that he definitely wants to go now. 2 or 3 days ago Barca made the first offer.
The transfer window lasts for another 3 month.

Don't act like an escalation like this was inevitable.
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He said he won't extend his contract and that he might have played his last game for Bayern. He went and thanked all the fans in a saying goodbye sort of way. He has always expressed a desire to play in Spain or England. How much more clarity do you want from a player in public? After all this, you're telling me he doesn't definitely want to go? You're being way too pedantic. It couldn't be any more obvious that he indeed definitely wants to go and feels disrespected and not valued enough by the club.

While he was the best player in the world contributing way more than your German contingent(who the club panders to more), your board went behind his back chasing Haaland. Until very recently, there wasn't even a contract renewal contact by your board.

Lothar Matthaus is spot on here. It's disgraceful how one of the best players Bayern ever had has been treated by the board.




And yeah, this was absolutely inevitable. We all know Bayern board play hardball. Lewandowski and Zahavi know it even better. Then your board guys start making statements on Zahavi turning his head, another sign of disrespect. That's absolute bollocks BTW. Even before Zahavi, Lewandowski had planned to change clubs and move to England or Spain in his career.

He wants a move before pre season so that he has time to settle down in his new place and club. He can't wait around for months trusting this board. More power to Lewandowski and Zahavi teaching them a lesson.
 
Red the Bear said:
Oh fair enough that must have clouded my memory, but didn't kroos also leave on rather acrimonious terms?
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there wasn't much love between Kroos and the management/fans, but it was overall fairly professional as far as I remember. The management didn't consider Kroos to be an absolute top player and that was reflected in the extension offer from Bayern. Kroos disagreed and left for around 20m€. I am sure there were a few bitter statements, but overall Kroos can't complain about being allowed to leave for peanuts. Thiago was also allowed to leave fairly cheap. Alaba could have left as well but decided to run down his contract and was even offended when Bayern entertained the notion of selling him.
Bayern want Lewa to stay, but I'd expect, that a transfer would be possible, if Barca is willing to pay a reasonable transfer fee. Lewandowski is irreplaceable so allowing him to leave on a discount makes little sense. If Barca want him so badly, they'll have to cough up some money. In the end all of this was about the length of his contract. Both sides disagreed and thats fair enough. The rest is just narrative.

Lewa is a club legend regardless of what happens. These kind of divorces are sometimes a bit ugly, but thats rightfully forgotten once its done.
 
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PedroMendez said:
there wasn't much love between Kroos and the management/fans, but it was overall fairly professional as far as I remember. The management didn't consider Kroos to be an absolute top player and that was reflected in the extension offer from Bayern. Kroos disagreed and left for around 20m€. I am sure there were a few bitter statements, but overall Kroos can't complain about being allowed to leave for peanuts. Thiago was also allowed to leave fairly cheap. Alaba could have left as well but decided to run down his contract and was even offended when Bayern entertained the notion of selling him.
Bayern want Lewa to stay, but I'd expect, that a transfer would be possible, if Barca is willing to pay a reasonable transfer fee. Lewandowski is irreplaceable so allowing him to leave on a discount makes little sense. If Barca want him so badly, they'll have to caught up some money. In the end all of this was about the length of his contract. Both sides disagreed and thats fair enough. The rest is just narrative.

Lewa is a club legend regardless of what happens. These kind of divorces are sometimes a bit ugly, but thats rightfully forgotten once its done.
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Thanks for correcting me, what a big mistake bayern made with Kroos but alas that is life.

Anyway most of this will be probably forgotten in a year or two.
 
BayernFan87 said:
It only did get really nasty in the last year with Alaba, another Zahavi client.
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Depends on how you define nasty I guess?






It's easy to just blame the agents, but Bayern's default has always been to turn petty when things don't go their way. Case in point Alaba: he didn't try to force a move, he fullfilled his contract and played almost every game of his final season. But once it became apparent that he wasn't likely to extend his contract a smear campaign kicked off in Bild - or you know... Hoeneß called his agent a greedy piranha. And eventually the player side felt the need to defend themselves.
 
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Rolaholic said:
Would be quite funny if Madrid decided to bounce back from the Mbappe snub by snatching Lewandowski from Barca's potential hands :lol:

Would fit the bill as a box office tier 1 signing while throwing a wrench in their rivals plans. He's also been linked to them in the past
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I don’t see how they could fit Benzema and Lewandowski in the same team.
 
Red the Bear said:
Thanks for correcting me, what a big mistake bayern made with Kroos but alas that is life.

Anyway most of this will be probably forgotten in a year or two.
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Still do not think that. Not when you see what players Bayern had at the time. He wanted to be a no. 10 then - but was not dynamic enough then and you had better number 10s with Müller and Götze (who was the better no 10, not the better player...) And lacked workrate and the will or sense for the defense. And there were still Thiago, Schweinsteiger, Martinez and maybe Lahm, Alaba etc. for 2 midfield positions.

Kroos is great in what he does - being a metronom in midfield - but he needs a sweeper type of defender behind him and more dynamic in offense when it is about playing with 2 wingers and a lot ball possession. He can be an ideal player in a system that matches to him - but you have to have the right players around and I think that was not like it at Bayern at that time.

He is the ideal player when you can be patient and do not hunt a result or want to keep a result - you see that e.g. Ancelotti now subbed him out of the match some time when they needed a next goal.

I think that this transfer was important for his development, too. Getting out of his comfort zone. He drove you crazy as a fan when he e.g. lost the balls and he just was ball watching. Maybe Thiago needed this, too, before his transfer to Bayern. But you see that when you hunt results even Ancelotti subs him for e.g. Camavinga. (If I lead I would not substitute him...)
 
Blackwidow said:
Still do not think that. Not when you see what players Bayern had at the time. He wanted to be a no. 10 then - but was not dynamic enough then and you had better number 10s with Müller and Götze (who was the better no 10, not the better player...) And lacked workrate and the will or sense for the defense. And there were still Thiago, Schweinsteiger, Martinez and maybe Lahm, Alaba etc. for 2 midfield positions.

Kroos is great in what he does - being a metronom in midfield - but he needs a sweeper type of defender behind him and more dynamic in offense when it is about playing with 2 wingers and a lot ball possession. He can be an ideal player in a system that matches to him - but you have to have the right players around and I think that was not like it at Bayern at that time.

He is the ideal player when you can be patient and do not hunt a result or want to keep a result - you see that e.g. Ancelotti now subbed him out of the match some time when they needed a next goal.

I think that this transfer was important for his development, too. Getting out of his comfort zone. He drove you crazy as a fan when he e.g. lost the balls and he just was ball watching. Maybe Thiago needed this, too, before his transfer to Bayern. But you see that when you hunt results even Ancelotti subs him for e.g. Camavinga. (If I lead I would not substitute him...)
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You make some great points but to counter some of those.
I don't hold getting substituted by carlo against him too much as he clearly is past his best at his peak i felt he contributed a lot to their treble winning season and a felt bayern dropped down a notch after they lost him although it seemed Guardiola wasn't really fond of him( I might be wrong so would like to be corrected if that's the case)add to the fact that both lahm and shewy seemd to be at the end of their illustrious careers it made sense to try to keep him.

In the end no one must bee too upset about this as Madrid snatched a wonderful player nad bayern continued their domestic dominance unhindered.
 
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Red the Bear said:
You make some great points but to counter some of those.
I don't hold getting substituted by carlo against him too much as he clearly is past his best at his peak i felt he contributed a lot to their treble winning season and a felt bayern dropped down a notch after they lost him although it seemed Guardiola wasn't really fond of him( I might be wrong so would like ro be corrected if that's the case)add to the fact that both lahm and shewy seemd to be at the end of their illustrious careers it made sense to try to keep him.

In the end no one must bee too upset about this as Madrid snatched a wonderful player nad bayern continued their domestic dominance unhindered.
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It's pretty much the opposite. Guardiola wanted him to stay, and he played almost every match under him.
 
Boavista said:
It's pretty much the opposite. Guardiola wanted him to stay, and he played almost every match under him.
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Thanks for correcting me , so it was entirely an upper management decision to let him go?

I once read an account of one of the bayern upper guys(one of Rummenigge or hoeness) declining his new wage demands as they basically didn't consider him to be a world class player deserving of such.

Wonder what pep's input was in all of this.
 
BayernFan87 said:
Look at all the comments by his agent Zahavi. He blames Bayerns people in charge and accuses them of lying.

He creates a giant shit show with statements like "Bayern did not only lose the player Lewandowski but also the human Robert".

Lewys wife is more and more blatant in social media and already stated several times that she is already learning Spanish.

And now he removed Bayern from his Twitter bio to make a statement or some bullshit I don't know.

He still has one year of contract left. Contracts aren't a one way ticket. If he injured himself badly or didn't play well anymore the club still would have to respect the contract.

And so do players. Lewy is forcing his way out of the club and I didn't expect that because he also didn't do it at Dortmund when he wanted to leave to us one year earlier.
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Bayern should just say, no problem. You got one year on your contract. You'll not going to play and we will never sell you. Come on Salihamidzic and Kahn.

Clubs need to put down the foot and show players who is in charge.
 
90 + 5min said:
Bayern should just say, no problem. You got one year on your contract. You'll not going to play and we will never sell you. Come on Salihamidzic and Kahn.

Clubs need to put down the foot and show players who is in charge.
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No need to do this. Lewandowski is a professionell. If he stays another year (which I doubt) he will play and he will perform. There is precedent for it.
 
Acrobat7 said:
No need to do this. Lewandowski is a professionell. If he stays another year (which I doubt) he will play and he will perform. There is precedent for it.
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I guess that he would. But this is maybe to teach players lesson no matter who you are. Bayern will be still Bayern regardless of him being there or not. We need to stey away from player power in modern football. Power that is getting stronger every year.
 
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90 + 5min said:
I guess that he would. But this is maybe to teach players lesson no matter who you are. Bayern will be still Bayer regardless of him being there or not. We need to stey away from player power in modern fotball. Power that is getting stronger every year.
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A 34 year old player requesting a transfer with 12 months left on his contract is hardly an excess of player power. Bayern would look like fools if they benched him out of spite.
 
90 + 5min said:
Bayern should just say, no problem. You got one year on your contract. You'll not going to play and we will never sell you. Come on Salihamidzic and Kahn.

Clubs need to put down the foot and show players who is in charge.
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They can't. He's their highest earner and their attack is completely built around him. Given how stingy Bayern board is, no chance they're paying him his wages in return of him chilling on the bench. They're not Real Madrid or an oil club who don't care. :lol:
 
90 + 5min said:
I guess that he would. But this is maybe to teach players lesson no matter who you are. Bayern will be still Bayern regardless of him being there or not. We need to stey away from player power in modern football. Power that is getting stronger every year.
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Why would they need to teach him a lesson, and how is this player power? He's simply not willing to renew his contract, that's his prerogative.
 
do.ob said:
Depends on how you define nasty I guess?






It's easy to just blame the agents, but Bayern's default has always been to turn petty when things don't go their way. Case in point Alaba: he didn't try to force a move, he fullfilled his contract and played almost every game of his final season. But once it became apparent that he wasn't likely to extend his contract a smear campaign kicked off in Bild - or you know... Hoeneß called his agent a greedy piranha. And eventually the player side felt the need to defend themselves.
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Alaba and Lewandowski have Zahavi as agent, that's really any argument that is needed.

If you don't understand why then do some research on Zahavi.
 
HerrLeinad said:
Alaba and Lewandowski have Zahavi as agent, that's really any argument that is needed.

If you don't understand why then do some research on Zahavi.
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So what? So far neither player has gone on strike, neither player has had their performance levels (seemingly deliberatedly) drop. Their "crime" has been that they value their services more highly than Bayern and at least Alaba seems to have been correct with that assessment. And of course the irony of the guy who went to prison for trying to dodge nearly €30m in taxes via his Swiss bank account calling other people "greedy Piranha" is completely lost on people. ;)
 
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Xanther said:
Why would they need to teach him a lesson, and how is this player power? He's simply not willing to renew his contract, that's his prerogative.
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He got 1 more year left. He can't suddenly just decide that he want to play somewhere else. Or he can. But he is still under contract and it is up to club to do what they want.

Not teach him a lesson. Teach everyone. Or rather say, you signed this contract and that is not our fault.
 
TenonTen said:
They can't. He's their highest earner and their attack is completely built around him. Given how stingy Bayern board is, no chance they're paying him his wages in return of him chilling on the bench. They're not Real Madrid or an oil club who don't care. :lol:
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They can if they want. Just to say, you got contract. Bayern board, if anyone, could pull that off. It is giant of a club.

I understand that money is always issue. Although B.Munchen wouldn't exactly be hurt by running his contract down.
 
90 + 5min said:
He got 1 more year left. He can't suddenly just decide that he want to play somewhere else. Or he can. But he is still under contract and it is up to club to do what they want.

Not teach him a lesson. Teach everyone. Or rather say, you signed this contract and that is not our fault.
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I highly doubt Lewandowski would down tools. He didn't in Dortmund.
Hoeneß and Rummenigge always talk shit when things aren't going their way.
And then you have Salihamidzic who more or less is the main reason Hansi Flick isnt at Bayern anymore.
I have huge respect for Bayern and many of their legends, but those three have always seemed like cnuts.
 
Would he be a possibility for Liverpool? They are about to lose both of Mane and Salah.
 
Think they'll ultimately sell. Probably just waiting and trying to get the replacements in before selling.

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They can if they want. Just to say, you got contract. Bayern board, if anyone, could pull that off. It is giant of a club.

I understand that money is always issue. Although B.Munchen wouldn't exactly be hurt by running his contract down.
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Ofcourse they can. Technically the club calls the shots and can do it here too. Don't think it'll be practical for them financially or on sporting terms.

Lewandowski will be professional if he stays anyways.
 
Red the Bear said:
Thanks for correcting me , so it was entirely an upper management decision to let him go?

I once read an account of one of the bayern upper guys(one of Rummenigge or hoeness) declining his new wage demands as they basically didn't consider him to be a world class player deserving of such.

Wonder what pep's input was in all of this.
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Yeah a Bayern fan can probably tell you more, but as far as I remember it was basically a disagreement about wages/ how much they value him. He wanted to be closer to the top earners, as new players like Götze earned more for instance. Bayern board didn't agree.

Also I think Bayern's board hold on to grudges for a while, so the fact that Kroos refused to take a penalty in that CL final which they went on to lose against Chelsea was held against him. Doesn't have the mentality, not a leader, doesn't identify with the club etc.. And when they did end up winning the CL in the next season his early injury against Juve forced Robben back into the side, which certainly didn't make Bayern weaker.

Kroos himself said at some point that Pep tried to convince him to stay, and he even considered it but ultimately thought that extending his contract for many years for a manager that might not even stay for that long would be a bad idea.

There's a Kroos documentary by the way (bit strange that it exists, especially while he's still an active player). I didn't watch it, but you can check out youtube snippets of Pep speaking about Kroos. It's very clear he rates him highly. It wouldn't surprise me if the Bayern board going above his head on these kind of decisions is part of the reason Pep had no interest in staying longer than those 3 seasons.
 
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Bayern should just say, no problem. You got one year on your contract. You'll not going to play and we will never sell you. Come on Salihamidzic and Kahn.

Clubs need to put down the foot and show players who is in charge.
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Do you just hate all the players? Or are you extending ManUtd dressing room frustration to other clubs.

Player have short careers, if they want to explore other leagues after playing close to a decade at one club, clubs won't be saying " "feck off you cnut, know your place and sit in the corner", it would be stupid.

ManUtd fans have these weird fantasies about controlling players every move. Maybe the result.of consuming all the media shit about dressing room.

Going by your logic, any player who dares to ask the club for transfer should be treated this way.
 
roonster09 said:
Do you just hate all the players? Or are you extending ManUtd dressing room frustration to other clubs.

Player have short careers, if they want to explore other leagues after playing close to a decade at one club, clubs won't be saying " "feck off you cnut, know your place and sit in the corner", it would be stupid.

ManUtd fans have these weird fantasies about controlling players every move. Maybe the result.of consuming all the media shit about dressing room.

Going by your logic, any player who dares to ask the club for transfer should be treated this way.
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I like players. I know couple of them on international level. They are nice and good people. Actually very good people. Ofcourse I’m not going to mention them.
However, generally speaking, players are not what they were when I was young. Different mentality and different way of thinking about football. It is more egocentric if I would put it in one word.
I don’t agree players have short careers. They can play 10-15 years. They sign contracts. If they want they can sign 2-3 years and thats it. Change club. Change country. No problem. But they sign big contracts for big money and when they feel for a change they want to move. They should have thought before signing big contracts what they want to do. They can ask club in nice way and it is up to club to decide. Not letting your agent start something in social media and make situation bad.
 
roonster09 said:
Do you just hate all the players? Or are you extending ManUtd dressing room frustration to other clubs.

Player have short careers, if they want to explore other leagues after playing close to a decade at one club, clubs won't be saying " "feck off you cnut, know your place and sit in the corner", it would be stupid.

ManUtd fans have these weird fantasies about controlling players every move. Maybe the result.of consuming all the media shit about dressing room.

Going by your logic, any player who dares to ask the club for transfer should be treated this way.
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The Lewandowski case is a perfect example of very poor communication between the club and the players camp.

Assuming it was Lewandowski long-term plan to play his last years as a professional in la Liga. Why didn't he clearly communicate with the Bayern board about his plan? Giving them enough time to find a replacement. Instead Lewandowski's side, especially his agent, goes public saying Lewandowski wanted to extend his contract last year but Bayern didn't follow up on that offer. I also blame Bayern, if these statements are true, not to extend the contract of the world footballer of the year despite them continuously saying how much the value Lewandowski and want him to stay.
One side is clearly lying here.

Of course it might also be that both sides set together, talked openly and didn't come to a deal and the whole drama now is orchestrated but the side who didn't get what they wanted.
 
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