They can "look" all they want. He won't be interested in going there.
Robert Lewandowski
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
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They can "look" all they want. He won't be interested in going there.
That will be a huge step down for him in terms of quality and strength of the teams plus he will be leaving a Champions League team for a non-Champions League team?
Exactly.
Perhaps, but other top teams are hardly desperate for a striker, perhaps only 3 or so would guarantee him a starting place.
Liverpool can still pay big wages - something he wont be getting at Dortmund.
Dont get me wrong i hope they dont sign him as i like him a lot, but i think he could take liverpool on leaps and bounds.
Liverpool can still pay big wages - something he wont be getting at Dortmund.
Dont get me wrong i hope they dont sign him as i like him a lot, but i think he could take liverpool on leaps and bounds.
He can start at Chelsea, Milan, Inter, Arsenal, Spurs and Bayern and all these teams are capable of paying him big bucks.
Chelsea - He is way better than the current Torres and Ba.
Milan - They have Balotelli, who is inconsistent and erratic and Pazzini. Maybe it might be a stretch there and they could use the money to strengthen somewhere else.
Inter - They have Milito and Cassano who are both 30+. He can contribute more than them to the current Inter team.
Arsenal - Assuming they reach the 4th spot, he is a sure fire starter there as well with Podolski and Walcott playing on the wings.
Spurs - Adebayor having problems and Defoe getting old, he will be starting here as well no problem.
Bayern - They want him and are willing to pay for him. Dont know what Gomez is up to these days and he is definitely better than Manzukic.
inter and spurs are in the same boat as liverpool - 1 team is massively in need of a rebuild and is skint, and the other does not have the pull to sign such big players currently.
Arsenal have just signed Walcott on a big contract and a promise to play as a centre forward, i cannot see that going down well with him having lew and giroud in his way.
Chelsea yes i agree he could play for.
Bayern i just cannot see - Dortmunds big rivals and they have 2 decent strikers already, dont see why he would want to move there unless they pay big and promise he is number 1.
Milan are also skint and unless shipping out some others first cannot see that happening.
All teams could obviously get him, but apart from maybe chelsea i dont see any big team out there desperate for a striker.
So, am putting on my 2+2=5 hat:
1. Lewandowski is definitely leaving Dortmund in the summer
2. He has not confirmed where that will be (though most suspect Munich)
3. He was heavily linked to us in the summer and January (bizarrely)
4. He is young, fast, talented and proven quality with his best to come
5. Wayne Rooney has lost a step, or 3, over the past 4/5 years
6. We have a better 'slow' forward in RVP
7. Rooney has a recoverable value of at least that of purchasing Lewandowski
8. Sir Alex is ruthless, and given the way Rooney crossed him (and the club) I doubt there's much sympathy
So, long-winded, but I'm starting to wonder if this isn't all an elaborate way for Fergie to shunt out Rooney in 'exchange' for bringing Lewandowski, with the transfer fees netting each other out and the Pole on significantly lower wages, with his future ahead of him.
I don't doubt Fergie had planned to build a team around Rooney, but his inability to be fit for entire seasons coupled with his diminishing pace...I wonder.
1. Lewandowski is definitely leaving Dortmund in the summer
2. He has not confirmed where that will be (though most suspect Munich)
3. He was heavily linked to us in the summer and January (bizarrely)
4. He is young, fast, talented and proven quality with his best to come
5. Wayne Rooney has lost a step, or 3, over the past 4/5 years
6. We have a better 'slow' forward in RVP
7. Rooney has a recoverable value of at least that of purchasing Lewandowski
8. Sir Alex is ruthless, and given the way Rooney crossed him (and the club) I doubt there's much sympathy
So, long-winded, but I'm starting to wonder if this isn't all an elaborate way for Fergie to shunt out Rooney in 'exchange' for bringing Lewandowski, with the transfer fees netting each other out and the Pole on significantly lower wages, with his future ahead of him.
I don't doubt Fergie had planned to build a team around Rooney, but his inability to be fit for entire seasons coupled with his diminishing pace...I wonder.
Kinell, you'd think Wayne was Dean Windass if you just read the Caf
He's lost a yard, but he's still quite quick, and easily quick enough.
He's lost a yard, but he's still quite quick, and easily quick enough.
I won't rule out us buying him but I don't think he will be a replacement for Rooney mainly due to the fact that Rooney is rarely used as a striker these days.
To be honest I'm not keen on the idea of putting another striker ahead of Chicharito and Welbeck but Lewa is probably going to be one of the top 5 strikers in the game in 1-2 years if he isn't already, his goal record isn't through the roof but it's his overall link up play and work rate that makes him such a valuable option up front.
Considering how much we rotate we might very well be in for another top quality striker.
To be honest I'm not keen on the idea of putting another striker ahead of Chicharito and Welbeck but Lewa is probably going to be one of the top 5 strikers in the game in 1-2 years if he isn't already, his goal record isn't through the roof but it's his overall link up play and work rate that makes him such a valuable option up front.
Considering how much we rotate we might very well be in for another top quality striker.
The only pace Rooney has lost is the one he used to use to chase down hookers.
Actually his minutes played/goals scored ratio for this season is a (tiny) bit better than van Persie's both in the league and CL.
I think out of Europe's top 4 leagues only Falcao, Messi and Ronaldo are ahead of him in that department. And Mandzukic in Bundesliga ofc, but somehow he only scored one goal in CL.
However I don't think his conversion rate is top5 too.
Maybe that affected his game. It's all Colleen's fault. Or that Kai.
Rooney's a better player than Lewandowski.
The Lewandowski rumours make no sense.
Rooney didn't play because he is (whether rightly or wrongly is irrelevant) deemed not as good a classic centre-forward as RVP, not as able to do a job on Alonso as Danny did and was wank on the wing in the first leg.
In Lewandowski you have a player who is also a classic centre-forward, but also inferior to RVP. He'll primarily be a back up for RVP (and in this bizzaro world where Rooney is leaving, I assume we will predominately be playing 4-5-1), Rooney's replacement surely would be a Kagawa ilk of player, capable of playing on the wings and through the middle. James Rodriguez, for example, would make much more sense to me as a rumour.
Rooney didn't play because he is (whether rightly or wrongly is irrelevant) deemed not as good a classic centre-forward as RVP, not as able to do a job on Alonso as Danny did and was wank on the wing in the first leg.
In Lewandowski you have a player who is also a classic centre-forward, but also inferior to RVP. He'll primarily be a back up for RVP (and in this bizzaro world where Rooney is leaving, I assume we will predominately be playing 4-5-1), Rooney's replacement surely would be a Kagawa ilk of player, capable of playing on the wings and through the middle. James Rodriguez, for example, would make much more sense to me as a rumour.
Maybe Fergie is going back to the 4-4-2. Lewadonski and RvP up front, wingers, and two classic CM's in Carrick and Cleverley. 
exactly.
Gone are the days of a classical 4-4-2. Lewandowski would make 0 sense in our current setup.
Did you get training by posting in RAWK before you came here?
Eh? Lewandowski has shown very little to suggest he'll ever be a top 5 striker. Also, we are already struggling to find a place to play all our strikers. No chance that we will be in for another one without sering one of our current strikers.
Nah, Lewandowski will never be one of the top 5 strikers in the world. He's at a slightly higher level than someone like Dzeko - he could score goals in Premier League and be a good player but he won't tear teams apart.
Neither will Rooney though.
He already is. He has about the same right to be named among top 5 forwards in the world as any of the top strikers - van Persie, Falcao, Cavani, Ibrahimovic etc. It depends if you count Ronaldo and Messi as strikers because those two are beyond reach.
Well considering M'n'M's history in predicting the future of the strikers, I'd say Rooney looks good.
It looks to be totally tactical to me. I thought it at the time and Fergie's berating of the press today further reinforces that perception. Don't forget as well, SAF has put a big fecking rocket up Rooney's arse, Fergie has laid down a challenge for Rooney to prove that he should be first name on the team sheet. I think that we will see something like the best from Rooney from now until the end of the season.
Hey I'm not one of these guys who will slag off a player just because he plays for United but I just don't get the hype with Rooney. Good player for sure but not in that top bracket IMO. And of course you count Ronaldo and Messi in that top 5. The only way you wouldn't is if you want to shift the goalpost to Top 7.
Then again it's probably just like how United fans don't rate Gerrard.
Then again it's probably just like how United fans don't rate Gerrard.
Nearly 200 goals for a top club like United at almost a goal every 2 games.
Yep. Definitely can't see the hype.
Yep. Definitely can't see the hype.
Ronaldo and Messi aren't really your typical forwards, I'd classify both in another category but then again it's daft because they aren't winger or attacking midfielder anyway. If you do put them on the list then it's two of them in front with the rest some way below - Rooney, Ibrahimovic, Falcao, van Persie and Cavani would be on that 'rest' list if I'm not forgetting someone. Suarez would join them if he can keep the same kind of form for another season or two and does it at a higher level (it might be tough seeing as he doesn't have an upcoming CL campaign to look forward to).
Lewandowski is a different bracket altogether, you can't put him next to them or even the likes of Tevez, Benzema and in-form Villa.
Feel free to disagree and point out why it doesn't make sense, but don't just try to be a smart ass.
I don't get why people are underselling Lewandowski, he was one of the top strikers in Europe last year in the team that won the Bundesliga, and he's also proven to be able to cut it in the CL.
He's almost definitely in the 10 strikers in Europe at the moment, and will only go to Bayern or another European giant. That'd be the Bayern that are at least as good if not significantly better than us this season.
Since becoming a starter at Dortmund, he has 53 goals in 80 appearances. He scored 7 in 6 in the German Cup last season and has 5 in 7 in the Champions League this year.
If we assigned player "ratings", with Ronaldo and Messi starting out at "10" and working our way down from there, Rooney would definitely be an "8" and if someone threw a hissy fit (some posters here have been on an acid trip the last few days) and insisted that he's a "9", I really couldn't argue with them.
I haven't seen enough of Lewandowski to have a strong opinion about him, but he's impressed me a great deal on the occasions I have seen him. He's better than Welbeck, but I wouldn't dump Welbeck to make room for Lewandowski.
What's the future for both? I have no idea, but I'd be surprised if Rooney didn't come back next season, despite the speculation over the last two days by the British media.
I haven't seen enough of Lewandowski to have a strong opinion about him, but he's impressed me a great deal on the occasions I have seen him. He's better than Welbeck, but I wouldn't dump Welbeck to make room for Lewandowski.
What's the future for both? I have no idea, but I'd be surprised if Rooney didn't come back next season, despite the speculation over the last two days by the British media.
A "good" player, that's all? In a season hit with injuries, he's still managed to contribute either a goal or an assist a game in a much deeper role. If only every 'good' player was like that.
So he wasn't in 09/10?
He's an excellent player and so was Gerrard. Fact.
There is no United fan who doesn't rate Gerrard. The only thing most United fans don't rate him as is a top class central midfielder. But as a player/ attacking midfielder/second striker, you bet we rate him.
I think in the age of Messi and Ronnaldo people tend to forget that his stats are still pretty amazing, especially considering that he probably played at least half of his games not as a striker.
Exactly. Gerrard in his prime behind the striker he was immense and every fan will say just that. It is the fact that in CM he is dreadful and he's so often played there for England.
He knows Gerrard is highly rated here. Just trying to somehow justify him thinking Rooney is just a good player.
But he's not dreadful in CM.....he's not really even bad. He's not doing too bad there this year for one, and was good pre-Lampard thing/Rafa moving him forward and playing anywhere........unless we're getting stupidly specific.
Clearly not Scholes or something, but whatever, not even close to being bad.
Clearly not Scholes or something, but whatever, not even close to being bad.
Funnily enough this season he's been very good in CM since he doesn't have the legs to run all over the place and Rodgers short-passing game has cut down on the Hollywood ballocks.
I don't think Lewandowski is a top 10 striker. He's the next bracket after the very best for me, players like Falcao, van Persie and Cavani are easily a level above. He has time on his side and could well be an even better player but right now he's a notch below.
He would still be a good buy for most teams. Just not for us when we have two superior forwards and one that could develop into an equally good one as well as one of the best impact strikers in the world in Hernandez.
Lewy's not top banana which is why Bayern bought Mandy.
Lewandowski is better than Mandzukic though.
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