Rivaldo Poll

Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>what makes you all think he wouldnt fit in at United???
take a United legend for example: Cantona
Not wanted in his own country, called all the french FA all the names under the sun, sulked at having a trial with Sheff Wed, sold by Leeds for a paltry fee, rumoured to be shagging team-mates wives, grumpy motherfecker who spoke shite, yet after all that, on the pitch went on to be one of the greatest United players ever. Hell, sent off so many times for United and topped it off by jumping into the crowd and attacking a fan in front of thousands of fans and the BBC camera's. But again, we forgave him because on the pitch the man was a genius.
Now..tell me again why we dont want Rivaldo? How will we know if he wont fit in if we dont try? The man might fit United like a nice pair of thermal gloves on a cold wintry day.

If Rivaldo's up for a free, lets take him on a 2 year contract, talk his wages down a bit, and let him do his stuff on the pitch at OT. I guarantee he would fall in love with the place and go on to be a legend like Cantona.</strong><hr></blockquote>

well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool:
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Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>take a United legend for example: Cantona

I guarantee he would fall in love with the place and go on to be a legend like Cantona.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Rivaldo is not Cantona. Cantona demanded 100% commitment and professionalism, Rivaldo is 100% oblivious, mistakes professionalism for cheating and is only committed to his pay cheque.

Manchester United today is not the same as 10 years ago. Ten years ago we could afford to have an inspirational nutcase (well, we still have one in Roy Keane!). The players were young, had everything to look forward to and everything to achieve, Cantona clearly being someone who could help them get there.

Today most of those youngsters are household names, they have won everything for us and we need them to show that hunger again. So what will we do? Bring a prima donna, who has achieved feck-all with any club he has played for, will have no hunger and see himself as "superior" and, it goes without saying, expects to be the first name on the teamsheet.

It just doesn't smell right and it certainly is not the same as ten years ago. We have the quality and the squad to beat anyone, we need the drive and, particularly in the EPL, the consistency week-in week-out. Our greatest challenge next year is our team being mentally focused on being world beaters again, it's not a big name player that will make that, it is the team that will get their heads around that. Rivaldo is only going to make it harder to get there, despite his obvious talent with the ball.
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Agree with the above. No one can tell for certain if a player will or will not fit in to a club, not even the scouts or the manager, not for absolute certainty anyway. Rivaldo is one of the top 5 players in the world and most would agree on this. It would be stupid not to give it a go. That's why we did give him an offer, according to the press. Anyway, I trust in SAF. If we do go for him, that's a wonderful news. If not, then I will accept SAF judgement.
 
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He's a cheating cnut, but if he comes I'll support him anyway.
 
Originally posted by antohan:
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Today most of those youngsters are household names, they have won everything for us and we need them to show that hunger again. So what will we do? Bring a prima donna, who has achieved feck-all with any club he has played for, will have no hunger and see himself as "superior" and, it goes without saying, expects to be the first name on the teamsheet.

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on the contrary, i think he would raise some of the players skills to the next level. The existing players arent suddenly become lazy or bad players because Rivaldo is in the team. In fact, i believe the United team would force Rivaldo to raise his game, and if he did, could you imagine what we could be witnessing on the pitch??? :D
Also, with Rivaldo being who he is, and no doubt everyone having seen him in the WC...could you imagine the space RVN, Becks, Giggs etc would get if defences were having to worry about Rivaldo?

I think the case to bring Rivaldo to United is stronger than the case to not. God forbid he went to a rival in Europe who went on to win the European cup, whilst we struggled to break teams down..

But like i said in a previous post anyway, i believe he'll end up at Lazio.
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Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>But like i said in a previous post anyway, i believe he'll end up at Lazio.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nope, he will end up in Madrid. Agree about not bothering with it anymore though, it's never going to happen.
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If he goes to Madrid we can write off this year's CL. And in case anyone has forgotten, and I doubt they have, the Final is at OT this year. I'd rather have him for rather than against us in that match.
 
Originally posted by Tomo:
<strong>looks like United are indeed intersted in him according to Rivaldo

<a href="http://www.optasoccer.com/article.asp?id=100463&clid=&cpid=&Title=Rivaldo+reveals+offers" target="_blank">Planetfotball</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't deny there might be interest but that article is a load of bull. I saw that same interview and he mentioned no clubs whatsoever.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>If he goes to Madrid we can write off this year's CL. And in case anyone has forgotten, and I doubt they have, the Final is at OT this year. I'd rather have him for rather than against us in that match.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, he's had a few run-ins with van Gaal for not wanting to play on the left, now if he goes to Real, how do they fit him and Zidane in the same team??

4-4-2 - I'd love to see the no. of goals they conceed if they put Rivaldo and Zidane as the 2 midfielders.

4-4-1-1 - well, Raul is hardly your target strikers...

All-in-all, with the exception of Rivaldo on the left, which he doesn't like and is most likely to sulk, you simply can't fit them in...
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Originally posted by Cal:
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4-4-2 - I'd love to see the no. of goals they conceed if they put Rivaldo and Zidane as the 2 midfielders.
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And don't forget Figo...
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Originally posted by antohan:
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Rivaldo is not Cantona. Cantona demanded 100% commitment and professionalism, Rivaldo is 100% oblivious, mistakes professionalism for cheating and is only committed to his pay cheque.

Manchester United today is not the same as 10 years ago. Ten years ago we could afford to have an inspirational nutcase (well, we still have one in Roy Keane!). The players were young, had everything to look forward to and everything to achieve, Cantona clearly being someone who could help them get there.

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Manchester united are still after the PL, CL and FA cup, aren't they ?, Roy Keane demanded his fair wage and so did Beckham, Rivaldo will do the same , admitedly he has some flaws, but on his day can rip apart any side. Would u preffer Di Canio for 3mln or Rivaldo on a Free.

SAF has been a great admirer of Rivaldo and I have this feeling that we will sign him, to play in the Link-striker role.
To Deny this man credit for all he has done is madness, i can remember him scoring wonder goals bring Barcelona back from the dead on many occassions.

Manchester United is not Barcelona , and SAF is not Van Gaal. Even Blanc said that he wished he had come to us much earlier in his career
IMO Rivaldo coming to us won't be a bad thing.
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Manchester United today is not the same as 10 years ago. Ten years ago we could afford to have an inspirational nutcase (well, we still have one in Roy Keane!). The players were young, had everything to look forward to and everything to achieve, Cantona clearly being someone who could help them get there.
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The time Cantona came along, United lacked the artist in the team and the CL trophy. Look at Real Madrid today - a team so packed with stars that they have all forgotten about building a balanced team. United has always (up to this point anyway) been a team with a good balance between youngsters and more experienced players with success in their career. Now we have Becks, Veron, RVN, Giggs, Keane, Rio... All primadonna material. Instead of getting Rivaldo, United should focus what will happen after Fergies gone and his hunger for another treble has led the team in the same situation as the troubled italian and spanish clubs.
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originally posted by Cal:

Well, he's had a few run-ins with van Gaal for not wanting to play on the left, now if he goes to Real, how do they fit him and Zidane in the same team??

4-4-2 - I'd love to see the no. of goals they conceed if they put Rivaldo and Zidane as the 2 midfielders.

4-4-1-1 - well, Raul is hardly your target strikers...

All-in-all, with the exception of Rivaldo on the left, which he doesn't like and is most likely to sulk, you simply can't fit them in...

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well, for one thing Real don't play 4-4-2. at least not 4-4-2 as you and know it.
calling what they play a formation is stretching it, but this is the arrangement they have:

they already play without a left-winger or left-sided midfielder - their most common starting line-up through the last season was to play
Carlos as a wingback, with Helguera and Makalele as defensive midfielders (or "water-carriers") - Solari, however talented he is, starts most often on the bench
Figo starts out on the right and comes in a lot, sometimes turning up on the left, Zidane drifts towards the left, Raul plays a withdrawn role...

add Rivaldo to that and what changes? Helguera and Makalele will probably still start - Morientes might be replaced by Rivaldo - which might seem odd to us, but we're talking about Real Madrid here -
if they can start a combination of Raul and Guti (as they have on many occasions when Morientes, their 'Sicknote', is out) up front, why not Raul and Rivaldo?

Real are daft enough to try it, and brilliant enough to be succesful trying it
- they are prepared to let Macca go on a free transfer, if they get Rivaldo (how much did they pay for him - 20m?)
you can't argue formations with these guys, they're the champions of Europe...

when this sort of stuff goes awry, they can be torn apart, yes, but when it's good, it's so outrageously brilliant, the opponents are unlikely to have the ball enough to make things happen,
anyway, when confronted with a team-sheet with Zidane, Rivaldo, Figo and Raul in it, how many teams do you think will try and attack them?

then the question is:
how many goals will they concede with Rivaldo in this side?
not many more than they ALREADY do

Helguera and Makalele will still play ballwinners and feed the immense brigade ahead of them,
Carlos will still do what he does now - spend most of his time in and around the opposition penalty area, then sprint down to the other end when they lose possession and somehow come up with the ball, Salgado on the other side - something similar, except he'll kick the opponent on the ankle, heel, calf, knee, thigh, trip him, stamp on his foot, tear his shirt while tugging at it, whatever - he'll break down attacks...

their main weakness is in the centre of defence, esp. because Pavon and Karanka will only hear the words, 'world class' and their names in the same sentence, when the reference is made to the player they're marking, or trying to dispossess,
and Hierro, esp. at 34, well let me just say, that if Larry and he were in a sprint, i'm not sure Larry would lose...

that's no different, defensively, to the situation they already have.

granted they'll never be a Valencia, but defence is very secondary to them, they won't lose anything by getting Rivaldo

last season, in La Liga, they conceded 44 and scored 69, next season, if they get Rivaldo (and it seems very likely that they will), they'll probably score 75 and concede 48

and let's not even talk about the CL!
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Well, let's hope they get Rivaldo eh? Then we can enjoy their play in la liga next season and if we happen to meet them in the CL I say we can beat them even if they not us have Rivaldo.
 
Dans, after all of that, if we can have AF instructing the players to dive, but you apart, no negative reactions, i'll go for 1.

i'm guessing Totti's not very high on your list of players you'd like to see in red ;)

that's the Real Madrid oddity ain't it?
if they're good, we love watching them cuz they're brilliant
if they're bad, nothing like watching 'em get their collective butt kicked,

but they're the champs, they beat us last time - give them that ...
 
Milan's president has said that they're in active negotiations with Rivaldo. We can close the book on this one.
 
Here's a source - <a href="http://www.skysportsnews.com" target="_blank">www.skysportsnews.com</a>

AC Milan vice president Adriano Galliani has admitted talks are underway to sign Brazilian World Cup winner Rivaldo. 
The club's official website quoted Galliani as saying: "I can confirm that talks are taking place. I won't say anything more."
Galliani is believed to be flying out to Spain on Wednesday to talk to the player in person. Two officials of the Italian giants immediately told the World Cup star that the Rossoneri were desperate to take the forward.
Barca have already insisted that the player will not join Real Madrid, although this does not seem to have discouraged their bitter rivals from confirming interest.
With Lazio earlier stating that they would not move for the player, and Manchester United chief executive Peter Kenyon insisting that Rio Ferdinand will be the only new face at Old Trafford, the previously named suitors appear to have already been whittled down to two.
Rivaldo also insisted that there was interest from Atletico Madrid and from his native Brazil from Palmeiras. It does appear that Milan are currently leading the chase, but the Rivaldo saga looks set to run and run - with a quick-fire decision highly unlikely for the former Barca man.
 
2. Used to like him but not anymore after the WC.
 
"Leeds United chairman Peter Ridsdale has revealed that he turned down the chance to sign Brazil's Rivaldo."

there go El Til's Plans B, C and D ;)
 
Don't even consider taking the best player in the world on a free. And while we're trying to eradicate all this cheating, get rid of Beckham and RVN who've both recently shown themselves to be 'cheats' as well. :rolleyes:
 
If Rivaldo went to Real there is no logical way they would be beattable. Especially if he partnered Morientes with Raul shifting to the left like under Heynckes in 97 <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
 
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