Rise Of The Far Right Wing in Germany.

[amolbhatia50k]

The cnuts are taking over the frickin world. Never did I imagine growing up that this is the direction I’d witness the world move in.

 

[hellhunter]

That’s not it. They are against the proposal out of principle. They want to be the only party seen as able to fix immigration. So no matter how much other parties drift to the right, they will always claim that it’s not enough and people need to vote for them in order to change things. People are supposed to vote the original, not the copy.

I don’t think they will become part of the government this time. It’s one election too soon. When the next coalition fails (won’t take long with Merz at the top), is when I assume that the CDU will start to work with them.

I agree that the next election, not this one, will be the very critical one. Easy to see them have a good result, which leads to a weaker coalition in government, getting less done led by a clown and therefore bringing the blue cnuts even more votes next time

 

[HTG]

I agree that the next election, not this one, will be the very critical one. Easy to see them have a good result, which leads to a weaker coalition in government, getting less done led by a clown and therefore bringing the blue cnuts even more votes next time

And don’t forget the debt break, that will make any meaningful and desperately needed investments impossible, so that we will see our current issues slowly and steadily worsen.
The next government has already failed before it was formed. Merz is an absolutely horrible choice as a candidate for chancellor and the CDU is doing the country a gigantic disservice by nominating him. That party has in no way shape or form understood what’s at stake. They have imply revealed throughout those last years, that they don’t give a shit about the state of German democracy as long as they can further their neoliberal agenda.
Our political landscape is broken.

 

[Newtonius]

The cnuts are taking over the frickin world. Never did I imagine growing up that this is the direction I’d witness the world move in.

Blame the neoliberals of the world, your Tony Blair's, your Angela Merkel etc, no nation at any point has wanted or voted for mass immigration and multiculturalism, for Europe to be a dumping ground for "refugees", which has and continues to cause obvious issues with housing, wages, social services, demographics/community etc.

Without this paradigm you wouldn't have Brexit, you wouldn't have AFD, you wouldn't have Le Pen, you wouldn't have Trump, you wouldn't have Reform, you wouldn't have Poilievre etc. Especially Brexit, a suicidal protest vote at the status quo more than anything, the EU at the height of the refugee crisis was simply used as a scapegoat and set against two decades of the working class being ignored otherwise Britain would absolutely still be in without a shadow of a doubt.

I expect someone will reply that innate tribalism can always be taken advantage of and that's true, however it has gotten to the point now where it can't be swept under the rug as simple racism which was the case for the last two decades, for large sections of the western world it has become the single most important partisan issue - where they are even willing to riot and vote in actual nazis.

Basically it was obvious and it was preventable this kind of malcontent and ethnic tension doesn't just sprout up overnight. In the UK Labour knew their immigration experiment was broken in 2008 and the Tories promised a 20k cap in 2012. Britain hit 1 million arrivals last year, coincidentally out comes reform to the "shock" of everyone.

 

[4bars]

for Europe to be a dumping ground for "refugees", which has and continues to cause obvious issues with housing, wages, social services, demographics/community etc.

What cause and more important, who caused and with who's weapons converted normal people living their normal lives in their countries into refugees?

 

[VorZakone]

 

[berbatrick]

I think an under rated part of the "Nazis were socialist" discourse is:

Modern Nazi parties almost exclusively find conservative allies
Hitler got in power with the help of a conservative president
It is conservatives who dislike anti-fascist and anti-Nazi discourse

You can reverse all that for far -left parties btw - in general, communist parties ally with the left or center-left, are eager for anti-Nazi discourse, and generally oppose anti-communist discourse. Because they and their opponents both understand and are honest that they're left wing.

Nazis being on the right is as much 2+2=4, yet there is a massive and growing conviction that it is a left wing or socialist movement.

 

[HTG]

There is no limit to their lust for power. They are preparing the public for what is going to happen after the next government fails. Whatever coalition we will get in a few months, I don't know. But I would bet a lot of money that the election after this one will leave us with a coalition of CDU and AfD.

 

[weetee]

There is no limit to their lust for power. They are preparing the public for what is going to happen after the next government fails. Whatever coalition we will get in a few months, I don't know. But I would bet a lot of money that the election after this one will leave us with a coalition of CDU and AfD.

Linnenmann is a cnut of high magnitude so don’t get me wrong but can‘t say I fully disagree with that quote of his. To think all it would take to contain the AFD is labelling them fascists (or nazis) is naive or lazy at this point. Other parties do have to attack their positions / political „solutions“ and agendas + offer better ways to tackle the problems of our country and importantly communicate that plain and simple. Otherwise more people will vote them instead of less, as sad as it is.

Don‘t think we‘ll see a CDU / AfD coalition this time.

 

[thisisnottaken1]

I think an under rated part of the "Nazis were socialist" discourse is:

Modern Nazi parties almost exclusively find conservative allies
Hitler got in power with the help of a conservative president
It is conservatives who dislike anti-fascist and anti-Nazi discourse

You can reverse all that for far -left parties btw - in general, communist parties ally with the left or center-left, are eager for anti-Nazi discourse, and generally oppose anti-communist discourse. Because they and their opponents both understand and are honest that they're left wing.

Nazis being on the right is as much 2+2=4, yet there is a massive and growing conviction that it is a left wing or socialist movement.

Exactly. The people who claim that the Nazis were socialist are projecting and trying to deflect responsibility.

 

[Revan]

And don’t forget the debt break, that will make any meaningful and desperately needed investments impossible, so that we will see our current issues slowly and steadily worsen.
The next government has already failed before it was formed. Merz is an absolutely horrible choice as a candidate for chancellor and the CDU is doing the country a gigantic disservice by nominating him. That party has in no way shape or form understood what’s at stake. They have imply revealed throughout those last years, that they don’t give a shit about the state of German democracy as long as they can further their neoliberal agenda.
Our political landscape is broken.

CDU missed a trick both this and the last time by not nominating the CSU leader for chancellor. I know that recently does not happen, but in the past there were cases of CSU leader being nominated as head of coalition.

And while I have not followed closely German politics since I left Germany a couple of years ago, I remember back then Soder being extremely popular in Bavaria, and also doing much better in overall polls than Laschet.

Both CDU and Socialdemocrats having clowns in charge is very good news for AfD.

 

[pierrethesnack]

What cause and more important, who caused and with who's weapons converted normal people living their normal lives in their countries into refugees?

There's a difference between accepting some refugees from a country where you are directly involved in a current (not historical) conflict and just randomly accepting enormous amounts of people from all over the world. Most people can stomach the first to a certain degree, but not the second.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Blame the neoliberals of the world, your Tony Blair's, your Angela Merkel etc, no nation at any point has wanted or voted for mass immigration and multiculturalism, for Europe to be a dumping ground for "refugees", which has and continues to cause obvious issues with housing, wages, social services, demographics/community etc.

Without this paradigm you wouldn't have Brexit, you wouldn't have AFD, you wouldn't have Le Pen, you wouldn't have Trump, you wouldn't have Reform, you wouldn't have Poilievre etc. Especially Brexit, a suicidal protest vote at the status quo more than anything, the EU at the height of the refugee crisis was simply used as a scapegoat and set against two decades of the working class being ignored otherwise Britain would absolutely still be in without a shadow of a doubt.

I expect someone will reply that innate tribalism can always be taken advantage of and that's true, however it has gotten to the point now where it can't be swept under the rug as simple racism which was the case for the last two decades, for large sections of the western world it has become the single most important partisan issue - where they are even willing to riot and vote in actual nazis.

Basically it was obvious and it was preventable this kind of malcontent and ethnic tension doesn't just sprout up overnight. In the UK Labour knew their immigration experiment was broken in 2008 and the Tories promised a 20k cap in 2012. Britain hit 1 million arrivals last year, coincidentally out comes reform to the "shock" of everyone.

You can partly blame the previous regimes for allowing the conditions for the rise of the extreme right but that’s like putting the sole blame for Hitler and his actions, on whatever came before. Vile, evil leaders and the people that enabled them cannot be granted such an easy pass I’m afraid. Failing - and this case not really failing but only coming up short in some areas - is not an excuse to become an evil cnut. That’s the easy way out and isn’t excusable.

Should I fall into some financial hardship, and I become a racist sexist prick, I hope my family and friends have the spine to call it out and abandon me, as it is what I would deserve.

Btw multiculturalism is a good thing. It’s brought a lot of great things to various civilisations and “nobody asked for it” is a strange way to put it given it used to be celebrated. Heck what is America but a land of immigrants - so much of the rise of the country is down to people with diverse backgrounds. Anyway, that’s a different matter and maybe a diffrence in values and principles.

Looking at my own country and it’s rise of the bigoted horrific right, I do think the previous regime’s failures created an environment for the current bunch of fascists but they were still a much better alternative and my guess is that this is the case for a lot of the counties where were seeing this phenomenon. It’s fine and healthy for a sense of anti incumbency to exist but not to sacrifice everything you stand for, for it. Imo at least.

 

[hellhunter]

CDU missed a trick both this and the last time by not nominating the CSU leader for chancellor. I know that recently does not happen, but in the past there were cases of CSU leader being nominated as head of coalition.

And while I have not followed closely German politics since I left Germany a couple of years ago, I remember back then Soder being extremely popular in Bavaria, and also doing much better in overall polls than Laschet.

Both CDU and Socialdemocrats having clowns in charge is very good news for AfD.

Söder is popular in Bayern, that's true. But he'd likely be an even bigger car crash than what we're currently looking at. Less shady and more outright incompetent, not sure what's better

 

[HTG]

CDU missed a trick both this and the last time by not nominating the CSU leader for chancellor. I know that recently does not happen, but in the past there were cases of CSU leader being nominated as head of coalition.

And while I have not followed closely German politics since I left Germany a couple of years ago, I remember back then Soder being extremely popular in Bavaria, and also doing much better in overall polls than Laschet.

Both CDU and Socialdemocrats having clowns in charge is very good news for AfD.

I strongly disagree. Söder is a disastrous politician. And he isn’t even that popular in Bavaria. At least not as popular as CSU leaders usually are. Outside of Bavaria, he’s a laughing stock. He’s the worst populist within all of German politics outside the AfD.

 

[Revan]

Söder is popular in Bayern, that's true. But he'd likely be an even bigger car crash than what we're currently looking at. Less shady and more outright incompetent, not sure what's better

I strongly disagree. Söder is a disastrous politician. And he isn’t even that popular in Bavaria. At least not as popular as CSU leaders usually are. Outside of Bavaria, he’s a laughing stock. He’s the worst populist within all of German politics outside the AfD.

Interesting, I had a different feeling when I was living there. But I was never that much into German politics, and I was living in Bavaria which does not best represent Germany.

For what is worth, he is doing much better in "hypothetical" polls than Merz. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2025_German_federal_election

 

[4bars]

There's a difference between accepting some refugees from a country where you are directly involved in a current (not historical) conflict and just randomly accepting enormous amounts of people from all over the world. Most people can stomach the first to a certain degree, but not the second.

You talked about refugees

https://www.dw.com/en/german-firms-...-to-syria-despite-sanctions-report/a-49355063

https://www.swp-berlin.org/10.18449/2021C06/

Those are a few examples. Is nice to participate and benefit of fecking over other countries, including the biggest defender after US, of the palestinian genocide and then don't want to deal with the consequences.

Stop destroying and raping countries causing refugees, and stop fecking the world with neo liberalism that causes economic migration. Then maybe you can reduce this immigration.

feck racist governments and policies and who supports them

 

[thisisnottaken1]

You can partly blame the previous regimes for allowing the conditions for the rise of the extreme right but that’s like putting the sole blame for Hitler and his actions, on whatever came before. Vile, evil leaders and the people that enabled them cannot be granted such an easy pass I’m afraid. Failing - and this case not really failing but only coming up short in some areas - is not an excuse to become an evil cnut. That’s the easy way out and isn’t excusable.

Should I fall into some financial hardship, and I become a racist sexist prick, I hope my family and friends have the spine to call it out and abandon me, as it is what I would deserve.

Btw multiculturalism is a good thing. It’s brought a lot of great things to various civilisations and “nobody asked for it” is a strange way to put it given it used to be celebrated. Heck what is America but a land of immigrants - so much of the rise of the country is down to people with diverse backgrounds. Anyway, that’s a different matter and maybe a diffrence in values and principles.

Looking at my own country and it’s rise of the bigoted horrific right, I do think the previous regime’s failures created an environment for the current bunch of fascists but they were still a much better alternative and my guess is that this is the case for a lot of the counties where were seeing this phenomenon. It’s fine and healthy for a sense of anti incumbency to exist but not to sacrifice everything you stand for, for it. Imo at least.

You talked about refugees

https://www.dw.com/en/german-firms-...-to-syria-despite-sanctions-report/a-49355063

https://www.swp-berlin.org/10.18449/2021C06/

Those are a few examples. Is nice to participate and benefit of fecking over other countries, including the biggest defender after US, of the palestinian genocide and then don't want to deal with the consequences.

Stop destroying and raping countries causing refugees, and stop fecking the world with neo liberalism that causes economic migration. Then maybe you can reduce this immigration.

feck racist governments and policies and who supports them

Very very well said.

 

[Abizzz]

Söder is popular in Bayern, that's true. But he'd likely be an even bigger car crash than what we're currently looking at. Less shady and more outright incompetent, not sure what's better

You say that as if CDU weren't all but assured the chancellory an entire month before the election.

 

[hellhunter]

You say that as if CDU weren't all but assured the chancellory an entire month before the election.

They would be as well if they nominated me as their candidate

 

[Abizzz]

They would be as well if they nominated me as their candidate

Very possible. However as much you or I may despise, or be an improvement over, him, I don't think it's certain Söder wouldn't work at the ballot box in today's environment.

 

[hellhunter]

Very possible. However as much you or I may despise, or be an improvement over, him, I don't think it's certain Söder wouldn't work at the ballot box in today's environment.

I didn't try to make the point Söder wouldn't get elected, pretty sure he'd have no issues in that regard. He's a total disaster though, which the subsequent years (or any given Monday in Bavaria) would show

 

[pierrethesnack]

You talked about refugees

https://www.dw.com/en/german-firms-...-to-syria-despite-sanctions-report/a-49355063

https://www.swp-berlin.org/10.18449/2021C06/

Those are a few examples. Is nice to participate and benefit of fecking over other countries, including the biggest defender after US, of the palestinian genocide and then don't want to deal with the consequences.

Stop destroying and raping countries causing refugees, and stop fecking the world with neo liberalism that causes economic migration. Then maybe you can reduce this immigration.

feck racist governments and policies and who supports them

The way they're voting shows that's exactly what quite a few people want, and that this guilt tripping may be losing some of its power. You don't seem to like the only political alternative presented to which supposedly wants to tackle some of the ills of neoliberalism, though, so I'm not sure what you expect the average German do to. They have to accept immigration if they want to continue being neoliberal, or they have to earn the right to reduce it by working against the neoliberal regime, but then they're racist? (I'm assuming that's your opinion on the AfD).

 

[nimic]

but then they're racist? (I'm assuming that's your opinion on the AfD).

It's not yours?

 

[4bars]

The way they're voting shows that's exactly what quite a few people want, and that this guilt tripping may be losing some of its power. You don't seem to like the only political alternative presented to which supposedly wants to tackle some of the ills of neoliberalism, though, so I'm not sure what you expect the average German do to. They have to accept immigration if they want to continue being neoliberal, or they have to earn the right to reduce it by working against the neoliberal regime, but then they're racist? (I'm assuming that's your opinion on the AfD).

I absolutely want neoliberalism to finish. My last message quoting should give you a hint. But immigration is not neoliberalism. Immigration is a biproduct of neoliberalism

You don't want Russia to be an imperialistic prick? but you don't mind enjoying their cheap energy while not wanting Ukrainian refugees (probably tolerated more as they are the right shade of skin)
You don't want refugees? But you don't mind selling arms and products to dictators that are entrenched in regional wars that causes the refugees
You don't want economic migrants? but you don't mind to deplete their countries of their most prepared and intelligent people. You don't mind to rape their land of their raw materials and hamper their development
You don't want to be taxed, but you want enough public help to be able to sustain the aging population and not needing immigration
You want to enjoy your life without kids or just 1 (complete fair), but you want to have a retire pension that someone has to pay for it
You don't want immigration, but you don't want to do the shitty jobs

That is neoliberalism. Enjoying fecking over others and not wanting the consequences. All these people voted for the governments that been pushing this model for years.

If you are telling me "what you expect the average German to do". I expect or not wanting these neo liberal policies so other geographical areas can thrive and not needing immigration if that is what it bothers you. You can't have your cake and eat it. And if the average German expects enjoy the benefits and feck the consequences, then the average german is a prick and feck them. And when I say German I mean any westerner in this circumstances


And dont get me wrong. I know first hand the challenges that such amount of immigration causes. My dad had to pay of an immigrant that force its entry in a shitty semi abandoned condo and squatted there. It sucks, my dad lost money, he is 78 living alone and with this insecurity looming over him and the whole family. And if I would need it, I would feck up that person. But at the same time, I know that is a symptom of the country's policies and it was just not a immigrant situation. It was a poverty situation and trying to survive because their own country doesn't get them a proper way of life and they come here and they don't have it either.

We all created this situation and if we enjoying the benefits of this situation we need to be prepared to suffer the consequences also. Welcome to capitalism and neoliberalism

 

[weetee]

guilt tripping? Read some fecking books. Off to the ignore list.

Today is the day the parliament should properly remember the victims of the holocaust yet they vote to make life of asylum seeking refugees even harder.

 

[Rams]

I think an under rated part of the "Nazis were socialist" discourse is:

Modern Nazi parties almost exclusively find conservative allies
Hitler got in power with the help of a conservative president
It is conservatives who dislike anti-fascist and anti-Nazi discourse

You can reverse all that for far -left parties btw - in general, communist parties ally with the left or center-left, are eager for anti-Nazi discourse, and generally oppose anti-communist discourse. Because they and their opponents both understand and are honest that they're left wing.

Nazis being on the right is as much 2+2=4, yet there is a massive and growing conviction that it is a left wing or socialist movement.

Hitler wasn’t a socialist, far from it. Ernst Rohm and his SA chums were, which is one of the reasons Hitler had them murdered.

 

[Blood Mage]

The cnuts are taking over the frickin world. Never did I imagine growing up that this is the direction I’d witness the world move in.

It's going to get worse as climate change forces people to flee countries that become too hot, creating an even bigger refugee crisis.

 

[pierrethesnack]

It's not yours?

I'm sure there are racists in AfD. Where else are they supposed to go?

I absolutely want neoliberalism to finish. My last message quoting should give you a hint. But immigration is not neoliberalism. Immigration is a biproduct of neoliberalism

You don't want Russia to be an imperialistic prick? but you don't mind enjoying their cheap energy while not wanting Ukrainian refugees (probably tolerated more as they are the right shade of skin)
You don't want refugees? But you don't mind selling arms and products to dictators that are entrenched in regional wars that causes the refugees
You don't want economic migrants? but you don't mind to deplete their countries of their most prepared and intelligent people. You don't mind to rape their land of their raw materials and hamper their development
You don't want to be taxed, but you want enough public help to be able to sustain the aging population and not needing immigration
You want to enjoy your life without kids or just 1 (complete fair), but you want to have a retire pension that someone has to pay for it
You don't want immigration, but you don't want to do the shitty jobs

That is neoliberalism. Enjoying fecking over others and not wanting the consequences. All these people voted for the governments that been pushing this model for years.

If you are telling me "what you expect the average German to do". I expect or not wanting these neo liberal policies so other geographical areas can thrive and not needing immigration if that is what it bothers you. You can't have your cake and eat it. And if the average German expects enjoy the benefits and feck the consequences, then the average german is a prick and feck them. And when I say German I mean any westerner in this circumstances


And dont get me wrong. I know first hand the challenges that such amount of immigration causes. My dad had to pay of an immigrant that force its entry in a shitty semi abandoned condo and squatted there. It sucks, my dad lost money, he is 78 living alone and with this insecurity looming over him and the whole family. And if I would need it, I would feck up that person. But at the same time, I know that is a symptom of the country's policies and it was just not a immigrant situation. It was a poverty situation and trying to survive because their own country doesn't get them a proper way of life and they come here and they don't have it either.

We all created this situation and if we enjoying the benefits of this situation we need to be prepared to suffer the consequences also. Welcome to capitalism and neoliberalism

I appreciate the long reply. I'm not as unsympathetic to these views as you might think. I can't reply in kind rn, but will pick it up later.