Riquelme deal sorted

[antohan]

Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>We have a so-called scout called Martin Ferguson who recommends players like Taibi and Forlan.

Riquelme, Aghahowa, Cisse, Saviola, Sorin, Melberg etc are not his list unfortunately.

Maybe not even Mexes.

Conclusion is we didn't just need an assistant manager, we need to change the scouts too.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I know you want only big well known names but HANDS OFF FORLAN!

 

[antohan]

Atlético de Madrid have agreed wages with his representatives and Riquelme will be moving there for 6m quid.

fecking peanuts.

Where are our scouts?

 

[Richter]

We dont have scouts sorry man.

 

[Kevin]

Feck.

 

[lchk]

We have a so-called scout called Martin Ferguson who recommends players like Taibi and Forlan.

Riquelme, Aghahowa, Cisse, Saviola, Sorin, Melberg etc are not his list unfortunately.

Maybe not even Mexes.

Conclusion is we didn't just need an assistant manager, we need to change the scouts too.

 

[Gazza]

Like I said, allowing Riquelmę to leave for so cheap is fecking outrageous. Sometimes I wonder what our scouts do to earn their wages.

 

[Amir]

Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>Like I said, allowing Riquelmę to leave for so cheap is fecking outrageous. Sometimes I wonder what our scouts do to earn their wages.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Jesus christ, probably everyone in the world of football knows Riquelme yet only Atletico Madrid, the newcomers to the Spanish top division, is trying to sign him. You really don't needs scouts to have a clue who this guy is, but we don't need him.

(And god knows if he has a european passport because he'll certainly not get a work permit, so a deal might not be possible anyway!)

 

[Amir]

Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>
Riquelme, Aghahowa, Cisse, Saviola, Sorin, Melberg etc are not his list unfortunately.
Maybe not even Mexes.
Conclusion is we didn't just need an assistant manager, we need to change the scouts too.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Great mention of names. It has been reported time and time again Fergie was interested in Mexes and Cisse. Just because Fergie hasn't signed either of them doesn't mean he doesn't know all about them.

From what I've seen of Sorin, United should leave him to Lazio, while Agahowa is far from 'we can't afford to give up on this one' type. Just because YOU have your targets and didn't get your way doesn't mean United scouts aren't doing their work.

 

[lchk]

Originally posted by antohan:
<strong>

I know you want only big well known names but HANDS OFF FORLAN!

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Totally wrong. Big names don't need much scouting - just turn on the telly and watch.

Our scouting for the lesser lights and the potentials are pathetic to say the least.

 

[lchk]

Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>

Great mention of names. It has been reported time and time again Fergie was interested in Mexes and Cisse. Just because Fergie hasn't signed either of them doesn't mean he doesn't know all about them.

From what I've seen of Sorin, United should leave him to Lazio, while Agahowa is far from 'we can't afford to give up on this one' type. Just because YOU have your targets and didn't get your way doesn't mean United scouts aren't doing their work.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If we know about cisse and mexes, Fergie certainly does.

Only thing is Cisse seems hell-bound for pool and I have not come across anything of late linking us with Mexes - we'll have to wait another season and see what happens, I guess.

Yes, I have my preferences but the fact that we have to fork out lots of money to buy expensive stars rather than having a more eclectic transfer policy of buying stars, bargain buys and promoting promising youngsters as a mixture is a worrying trend.

Missing out on Melberg was a classic case. A snip at 5 million and he has been a great success with Villa and even more so with Sweden in the WC. I remember mentioning that we might regret not signing such a solid defender last summer after watching him several times during his spanish stint.

Tell me, who have we bought in the past few years who were relatively cheap and good? We can't be digging into our coffers forever for the likes of Nesta, it isn't a bottomless pit after all.

Taibi? Forlan? Don't make me laugh.

 

[Amir]

Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>
Tell me, who have we bought in the past few years who were relatively cheap and good? We can't be digging into our coffers forever for the likes of Nesta, it isn't a bottomless pit after all.

Taibi? Forlan? Don't make me laugh.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Don't see the problem with Forlan. Ofcource I'd like to see unknowners coming to OT and making it big, but just because it isn't happening doesn't mean the scouts are lousy. Obviously if Fergie thought a change was needed, he'd have done it.

 

[RUDDY]

Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>

Great mention of names. It has been reported time and time again Fergie was interested in Mexes and Cisse. Just because Fergie hasn't signed either of them doesn't mean he doesn't know all about them.

From what I've seen of Sorin, United should leave him to Lazio, while Agahowa is far from 'we can't afford to give up on this one' type. Just because YOU have your targets and didn't get your way doesn't mean United scouts aren't doing their work.</strong><hr></blockquote>

spot on there mate

good post

 

[antohan]

Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>

Totally wrong. Big names don't need much scouting - just turn on the telly and watch.

Our scouting for the lesser lights and the potentials are pathetic to say the least.</strong><hr></blockquote>

"Riquelme, Aghahowa, Cisse, Saviola, Sorin"

You call that "lesser lights"? Turn on the telly and watch some footie mate. Riquelme, Saviola and Sorin have been around for ages (Sorin was even a Juventus player in the mid-90s!!!!).

 

[Jens]

@ inch

 

[Raoul]

Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>We have a so-called scout called Martin Ferguson who recommends players like Taibi and Forlan.

Riquelme, Aghahowa, Cisse, Saviola, Sorin, Melberg etc are not his list unfortunately.

Maybe not even Mexes.

Conclusion is we didn't just need an assistant manager, we need to change the scouts too.</strong><hr></blockquote>


How do you know who is or isn't on his list ? Secondly, your comparison between Forlan and Taibi and completely unfair and only serves to validate your incompetence in these matters.

 

[PhillipVIII]

shit.

 

[PhillipVIII]

but wait!

we're going after Viana, yeah!

wtf is that guy anyway? <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

 

[ukbob]

Where are our scouts? <hr></blockquote>
All over the place. United don't have "scouts" persay, but more informants.
My brother for instance works as a rep. for a sportswear company and travels in SA. a lot. Because of his position he gets to see a lot of teams not only playing but training as well. His opinion and knowledge is put to good use. He does not reccomend players as such but his opinion is asked many times.

 

[Dans]

That is the biggest pile of tosh I've ever read from lchk by a mile.

 

[MauritianRed]

Originally posted by ukbob:
<strong>
All over the place. United don't have "scouts" persay, but more informants.
My brother for instance works as a rep. for a sportswear company and travels in SA. a lot. Because of his position he gets to see a lot of teams not only playing but training as well. His opinion and knowledge is put to good use. He does not reccomend players as such but his opinion is asked many times.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You bro seems to have the perfect job.

 

[Nistelrooy10]

Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>


Tell me, who have we bought in the past few years who were relatively cheap and good?

</strong><hr></blockquote>


I really don't know why, may be I am crazy or just stupid, but I always thought that for some reason RUUD VAN NISTELROOY was a good buy.

 

[Wibble]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>That is the biggest pile of tosh I've ever read from lchk by a mile.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nabe and Kemo have some competition <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

 

[kemo]

Wibble? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

 

[lchk]

Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>

Don't see the problem with Forlan. Ofcource I'd like to see unknowners coming to OT and making it big, but just because it isn't happening doesn't mean the scouts are lousy. Obviously if Fergie thought a change was needed, he'd have done it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Perhaps I am a little harsh on Forlan but 16 starts and no goals has already given the scousers something to poke fun at us.

I just think that at this point of time, our "great scouting policy" has hurt us in the sense that we need a striker, a full-back, a central defender and maybe a wide midfielder who can play on both sides and all the names we have been linked with are expensive signings who may not be too keen to do a squad rotation thingy (e.g. imagine duff sitting on the bench waiting for giggs to get injured before he gets his chance).

Obviously we can't sign every player with a 10 million pound + price tag and since our youth teams aren't churning out adequate replacements for the likes of irwin, johnsen and yorke we are forced to buy with a restricted budget in hand.
Hence the need for cheaper quality purchases.

Hope this makes things a little clearer.

 

[lchk]

Originally posted by antohan:
<strong>

"Riquelme, Aghahowa, Cisse, Saviola, Sorin"

You call that "lesser lights"? Turn on the telly and watch some footie mate. Riquelme, Saviola and Sorin have been around for ages (Sorin was even a Juventus player in the mid-90s!!!!).</strong><hr></blockquote>

Certainly they aren't lesser lights, not now.

But did we spot them and make appropriate bids during their younger days when they were more easily available?

That's my point - you don't make your moves when everyone else has got their fingers in the pie, you should be the first one.

 

[lchk]

Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>


How do you know who is or isn't on his list ? Secondly, your comparison between Forlan and Taibi and completely unfair and only serves to validate your incompetence in these matters.</strong><hr></blockquote>

How is the comparison unfair? Both of them haven't exactly set the world alight or even set a few pulses racing have they?

Please explain what is incompetence - the fact that we have not signed any promising player at a reasonably cheap price for quite some time now certainly bucks the way we have operated in our decade of success.

 

[lchk]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>That is the biggest pile of tosh I've ever read from lchk by a mile.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Give some critique why it is tosh like raoul does instead of resorting to one-liners.

 

[lchk]

Originally posted by Nistelrooy10:
<strong>


I really don't know why, may be I am crazy or just stupid, but I always thought that for some reason RUUD VAN NISTELROOY was a good buy.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Was RVN cheap? <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />

 

[Murt]

Originally posted by lchk:
If we know about cisse and mexes, Fergie certainly does. What the fuch does anyone here know about either of these two? That they have nice hair cuts and look good in blue? Have you ever seen them play? Bear in mind that their are literally 1000's of promising players in the world and 1000's of clubs chasing them. Every single player that pops up your expecting us to sign and disappointed when we dont sign him. I cant figure out how your a Utd fan, you dont seem to like anything about Man utd

Only thing is Cisse seems hell-bound for pool and I have not come across anything of late linking us with Mexes - we'll have to wait another season and see what happens, I guess.He impressed no one in the World cup, Liverpool are welcome to him, hes the next Guivarch

Yes, I have my preferences but the fact that we have to fork out lots of money to buy expensive stars rather than having a more eclectic transfer policy of buying stars, bargain buys and promoting promising youngsters as a mixture is a worrying trend.
"Bargain buys anf buying stars", do you think that their is a super store somewhere with players lined up on shelves. 3 or 4 times a yr they have a seasonal sale and sell all these stars on the cheap.


Missing out on Melberg was a classic case. A snip at 5 million and he has been a great success with Villa and even more so with Sweden in the WC. Melllberg is one of 1000's of decent defenders, Aston Villa standard but not Man utd standard

I remember mentioning that we might regret not signing such a solid defender last summer after watching him several times during his spanish stint.
He cant even get into the swedish central defensive position. I think your on your own in regretting not signing him
Tell me, who have we bought in the past few years who were relatively cheap and good? We can't be digging into our coffers forever for the likes of Nesta, it isn't a bottomless pit after all.
Sharpe, Johnsen, Solskjaer, Sheringham, Fortune, Bosnich, Forlan, Keane, Carroll, Silvestre,

Perhaps you could name for me some of the cheap Maradonna Arsenal & Liverpool have signed over the past two yrs, like what i asked you to do a month ago

Taibi? Forlan? Don't make me laugh.perish the thought.[/QB]<hr></blockquote>

Take your head out of your arse Lchk, you havnt a clue.

 

[Dans]

Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>

Give some critique why it is tosh like raoul does instead of resorting to one-liners.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'll do what I like actually mate. Get your nose out of Raoul's arse too.

 

[Dans]

And perhaps start supporting the rentboys - they seem to have a transfer policy that you may deem an appropriate one in relation to your demands as a "fan".

 

[giggzy]

Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>

How is the comparison unfair? Both of them haven't exactly set the world alight or even set a few pulses racing have they?

Please explain what is incompetence - the fact that we have not signed any promising player at a reasonably cheap price for quite some time now certainly bucks the way we have operated in our decade of success.</strong><hr></blockquote>

inch, Forlan's played well everytime he's been ask to play... only a FOOL would compare him to Taibi. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />

 

[kemo]

Viana Viana!
The lad is two footed and all and a Mark Hughes in disguise (in fightting spirit I mean) playmaker, godd crosser...
WHO NEEDS RIQULME <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

 

[Raoul]

Originally posted by Panic Buyer:
<strong>How is the comparison unfair? Both of them haven't exactly set the world alight or even set a few pulses racing have they?
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Maybe in your myopic, instant gratification-oriented view of things. You do nothing but complain about our not having signed any new Maradonas, as if football were as simple as your Championshop Manager game. Take a hint from the responses in this thread and give it a rest for a while.

 

[blythy]

 

[lchk]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>

I'll do what I like actually mate. Get your nose out of Raoul's arse too.</strong><hr></blockquote>

In other words, you can't prove a point across besides "tosh"

I mentioned Raoul as an example of being factual, not brown-nosing. You misread me there.

 

[lchk]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>And perhaps start supporting the rentboys - they seem to have a transfer policy that you may deem an appropriate one in relation to your demands as a "fan".</strong><hr></blockquote>

On the contrary, I perfer us to buy on the cheap/reasonable price scale rather than going for superstars and prima donnas.

 

[lchk]

Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>

inch, Forlan's played well everytime he's been ask to play... only a FOOL would compare him to Taibi. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

It's not a direct comparison per se. I am only pointing out the fact that both of them have added little if any improvement to the squad, naturally Taibi did a lot worse than Forlan.

 

[Dans]

Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>

In other words, you can't prove a point across besides "tosh" </strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't need to prove a point. You talk non stop tosh. It's that simple.

 

[lchk]

Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>

Maybe in your myopic, instant gratification-oriented view of things. You do nothing but complain about our not having signed any new Maradonas, as if football were as simple as your Championshop Manager game. Take a hint from the responses in this thread and give it a rest for a while.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What instant gratification? It's called improvement and has nothing to do with some silly PC game which juggles a bunch of numbers around.

Perhaps you should be asking yourself why we (as the biggest club in the world) are not buying any upcoming so-called "Maradonas" or anything close to it.

Nobody is foolish enough to demand that every signing we make must be a "Maradona" superstar

But if we declare ourselves as an elite, we should be at least making some serious bids or attempts to sign these players. And having some success in doing so.