Rio - a theory...

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Don't know if something similar has been posted before, but I've only got a few minutes before Big Brother and haven't checked... so here goes.
1 Manchester United want to sign Rio Ferdinand.
2 Leeds United want their supporters to think they don't want to sell him, particularly not to Manchester United.
3 Peter Risdale issues statement after statement saying Rio Ferdinand is not for sale.
4 Leeds United issue a statement declaring there will be no new contract (pay rise) for Rio Ferdinand if he stays with the club.
5 Sir Alex Ferguson comments (Friday) publicly for the first time that he is interested in bringing Rio Ferdinand to Old Trafford.
6 Leeds United are trying to force Rio Ferdinand to ask for a transfer and shift the blame for his 'move' onto Rio himself and away from the club - thus keeping the supporters on their side.
7 Sir Alex Ferguson is turning up the heat asking 'We want you Rio, do you want us?'
8 Is Rio Ferdinand big enough to ask for a transfer. If he is, then he's the player we want in the squad. If not, then he's not got the bottle to play for Manchester United and he can sit in top eight medioricty at Elland Road.
9 What I think will happen: Rio will see Sir Alex Ferguson wants him, will be backed into a corner by Leeds United's refusal to negotiate an improved contract, will have the bottle to ask for a transfer and will be a Manchester United player within two weeks.
There you go... ;)
 
Most people who know anything about football have already known this. This was my opinion like a few days after the WC. Was always gonna happen this way.

Fergie knows Rio wants to come, I guess he is testing Rio's resolve in asking for a transfer and waiving his £2million, just to play for Man Utd.

Or else he has developed a new honesty policy whereby he actually tells the fans what his plans are.
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>Or else he has developed a new honesty policy whereby he actually tells the fans what his plans are.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I hope not!

Fergie play acting like a dark Knight/Darth Vader sort, has always been a favourite of mine! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
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Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>Most people who know anything about football have already known this. This was my opinion like a few days after the WC. Was always gonna happen this way.

Fergie knows Rio wants to come, I guess he is testing Rio's resolve in asking for a transfer and waiving his £2million, just to play for Man Utd.

Or else he has developed a new honesty policy whereby he actually tells the fans what his plans are.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, it's just interesting to watch it all played out before the cameras... so to speak...
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Originally posted by the reporter:
<strong>Don't know if something similar has been posted before, but I've only got a few minutes before Big Brother and haven't checked... so here goes.
1 Manchester United want to sign Rio Ferdinand.
2 Leeds United want their supporters to think they don't want to sell him, particularly not to Manchester United.
3 Peter Risdale issues statement after statement saying Rio Ferdinand is not for sale.
4 Leeds United issue a statement declaring there will be no new contract (pay rise) for Rio Ferdinand if he stays with the club.
5 Sir Alex Ferguson comments (Friday) publicly for the first time that he is interested in bringing Rio Ferdinand to Old Trafford.
6 Leeds United are trying to force Rio Ferdinand to ask for a transfer and shift the blame for his 'move' onto Rio himself and away from the club - thus keeping the supporters on their side.
7 Sir Alex Ferguson is turning up the heat asking 'We want you Rio, do you want us?'
8 Is Rio Ferdinand big enough to ask for a transfer. If he is, then he's the player we want in the squad. If not, then he's not got the bottle to play for Manchester United and he can sit in top eight medioricty at Elland Road.
9 What I think will happen: Rio will see Sir Alex Ferguson wants him, will be backed into a corner by Leeds United's refusal to negotiate an improved contract, will have the bottle to ask for a transfer and will be a Manchester United player within two weeks.
There you go... ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>
I like the shorter version : Kevthered said..... ;)
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Originally posted by MauritianRed:
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I like the shorter version : Kevthered said..... ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

In the first post I did say I wasn't sure if something similar has been posted before. It's just that with Fergie's comments on Friday it looks that way...
Not stupid enough to say I don't know what kevthered is all about - but who the hell is he anyway?
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Originally posted by the reporter:
<strong>Not stupid enough to say I don't know what kevthered is all about - but who the hell is he anyway?</strong><hr></blockquote>
To be honest, I really don't know. He is supposed to be in the know as regards to what's happening inside OT. Funnily enough no one has heard from him lately, after he guaranteed that Rio had already signed for us..
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I think Fergie is not banking on the fact that Rio likes to leave clubs with the fans liking him. He did it with West Ham...and I'd say he will do it with Leeds too.

I very much doubt Rio will ask for a transfer. And if you haven't noticed Leeds are selling other players to try to keep Rio so it doesn't look like they are desperately trying to sell to me.
 
If Rio doesn't want to come to United he's the biggest fool that ever lived.

It's a dream. <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
Come on - Biggest club in the World, best fans by far, dot dot dot............. etc.

Any player in the world that doesn't want to play for us if they have the offer to is an absolute looper IMO. <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
just a question for leeds fans...who will get more abuse @ elland rd. next year, bowyer in a liverpool kit or rio wearing a man utd shirt???
 
Originally posted by elmo:
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I very much doubt Rio will ask for a transfer. And if you haven't noticed Leeds are selling other players to try to keep Rio so it doesn't look like they are desperately trying to sell to me.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Considering Ferdinand said he's desperate to win medals, how do you think that helps?

It's a potentially 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation. If you sell other players you'll weaken the squad and he won't like it, if you don't, you may have to sell him to raise the money.
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His talk about winning trophies is hardly encouraging news for Leeds fans..

He's not going to achieve that at Leeds is he...

Crucial next week
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>His talk about winning trophies is hardly encouraging news for Leeds fans..

He's not going to achieve that at Leeds is he...

Crucial next week</strong><hr></blockquote>

:rolleyes:

Just remind us all how many more trophies Liverpool won than Leeds and MU last season.
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Originally posted by marchingontogether:
<strong> :rolleyes:
Just remind us all how many more trophies Liverpool won than Leeds and MU last season.</strong><hr></blockquote>
They won their two Man Utd cup finals which is a succesful season for the scousers.
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Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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:rolleyes:

Just remind us all how many more trophies Liverpool won than Leeds and MU last season.</strong><hr></blockquote>

We won two more...

Thats not the point tho...their is a clear top 3 in the league now....if you had a fantastic season I couldn't see you finishing above fourth place...

We're getting stronger, you're getting weaker and we were better than you in the first place..

Same goes for the mancs, they're better than you already and are obviously going to strengthen their team in the summer..
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Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>Thats not the point tho...their is a clear top 3 in the league now....if you had a fantastic season I couldn't see you finishing above fourth place...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Leeds have all the potential to do better than what Newcastle did last season. El Tel is a decent manager, has done as much or more than Robson over the yrs and id be expecting a them to be battling away with Pool for the position of bridesmaids as per usual.
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Originally posted by Murt:
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El Tel is a decent manager, has done as much or more than Robson over the yrs .</strong><hr></blockquote>

Like what?

What has he achieved to put him on a par with Robson?

You still seem a bit annoyed that we're better than you Murt...
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Excellent..

Confirmation
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Originally posted by Davo:
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We won two more...

Thats not the point tho...their is a clear top 3 in the league now....if you had a fantastic season I couldn't see you finishing above fourth place...

We're getting stronger, you're getting weaker and we were better than you in the first place..

Same goes for the mancs, they're better than you already and are obviously going to strengthen their team in the summer..</strong><hr></blockquote>

But surely it is the point Davo - you won the same number of trophies as Leeds last season.

With all your supposed superiority you can see LFC ONLY finishing one place above Leeds - Not that much better then are you?

Leeds will have a better season than last and have as good a chance to win a cup as anyone but will not win the PL. Liverpool will be boosted by Bowyer but will still not win the PL. MU will strengthen (not Rio) and will be 1st or 2nd in the PL. Arse will again have a good season and will be either 1st or 2nd. Newcastle will have a good season.
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Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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But surely it is the point Davo - you won the same number of trophies as Leeds last season.

With all your supposed superiority you can see LFC ONLY finishing one place above Leeds - Not that much better then are you?

Leeds will have a better season than last and have as good a chance to win a cup as anyone but will not win the PL. Liverpool will be boosted by Bowyer but will still not win the PL. MU will strengthen (not Rio) and will be 1st or 2nd in the PL. Arse will again have a good season and will be either 1st or 2nd. Newcastle will have a good season.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just curious, if you don't think we are going to get Rio, who do you think we are gonna land?
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Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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But surely it is the point Davo - you won the same number of trophies as Leeds last season.

With all your supposed superiority you can see LFC ONLY finishing one place above Leeds - Not that much better then are you?

Leeds will have a better season than last and have as good a chance to win a cup as anyone but will not win the PL. Liverpool will be boosted by Bowyer but will still not win the PL. MU will strengthen (not Rio) and will be 1st or 2nd in the PL. Arse will again have a good season and will be either 1st or 2nd. Newcastle will have a good season.</strong><hr></blockquote>


No its not the point, Rio wants trophies..whose more likely to help him achieve that? you or the Mancs? There's not guarantee that he will win anything with the Mancs, but the chances are far greater than with you...

You misunderstood...we're top 3 material, so I expect us to finish third at the very worst....whereas if everything goes well for you I can only see you finishing fourth, I don't expect you to finish that high tho

I don't think you have as good a chance in the cups as anyone as you're not as good as other teams, and I wouldn't write us off re the title just yet
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Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>Like what?
What has he achieved to put him on a par with Robson?
You still seem a bit annoyed that we're better than you Murt...</strong><hr></blockquote>

He achieved as much with England within a shorter time semis in 96 compared to semis in 90 + he had the Taylor legacy to repair.
He was extremely close to winning Barcelona thier first European cup and did well alltogether in Barca, unlike Robson.
He did well with Palace but that was a long time ago.
He had spurs playing well in his time too.
Robson didnt do great with England and it was only a fortunate 1990 world cup that put a bit of shine on it.
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Originally posted by Murt:
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He achieved as much with England within a shorter time semis in 96 compared to semis in 90 + he had the Taylor legacy to repair.
He was extremely close to winning Barcelona thier first European cup and did well alltogether in Barca, unlike Robson.
He did well with Palace but that was a long time ago.
He had spurs playing well in his time too.
Robson didnt do great with England and it was only a fortunate 1990 world cup that put a bit of shine on it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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So Robson's world cup run was mere luck was it? Whereas Venables enjoyed no luck during his Euro 96 campaign?

What has Venables won? How can you mention factors such as "had Spurs playing well"or "Did well at Palace" without mentioning Robson's spell at Ipswich?
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Originally posted by Davo:
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So Robson's world cup run was mere luck was it? Whereas Venables enjoyed no luck during his Euro 96 campaign?

What has Venables won? How can you mention factors such as "had Spurs playing well"or "Did well at Palace" without mentioning Robson's spell at Ipswich?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I came to mind but i for got to write it. Whatever way you look at it their fairly even as regards succes.
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Originally posted by Murt:
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I came to mind but i for got to write it. Whatever way you look at it their fairly even as regards succes.</strong><hr></blockquote>

How are they?

What has Venables done to match Robson's success at Ipswich?

And what has he done of late that emulates Robson's success at Newcastle..
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so it doesn't look like they are desperately trying to sell to me <hr></blockquote>

Where does that say 'trying to sell me?'?

Rio said before he even joined Leeds he wanted trophies there. I think you forget that he has never played with the same defensive partner at Leeds for more than a few weeks. 2000/2001 season there were 12 centreback piarings. He has not had a settled run at Leeds.

However, the reason I can't see Rio going to Man Utd is because, even though he had a great world cup, he still can get better. I still think he has more to learn.

Now, if he went to Man Utd for silly money he's expected to be the finished article, not make mistakes, and be the 'top' CB. He's also under more pressure. Additonally, he goes down a rung (so to speak) as even though to you being Leeds captain doesn't equate to being a Man Utd player he would be going from being the big fish in a smaller pond to one of the relative small fry at Man Utd with no captaincy anymore and a lot more high profile players to vy with. Fair enough but I just think at this stage he would develop and learn more by staying at Leeds and being allowed to still make the occasional mistake (although we don't want him to) at Leeds rather then be under the spotlight at man Utd.

Also, even though Wes Brown is at Man Utd I can't see Fergie playing those two together due to their young ages whereas Leeds have gambled on playing Rio and Woodgate together and that is defintely the plan for next season. If Robinson also gets the nod over Martyn and add Mills and Rio has an incentive to stay and play with players that are in the reckoning for the English defece of the future.

BUT, if Rio wants more money and more pressure fine, he should go. Sol Campbell handled it going to Arsenal last season so I'm sure Rio would but I just think he shouldn't move yet...obviously.
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elmo, you make 'joining United' sounds like a terrible mistake that will ruin a player's career and take away all his joy from a game.

If you want to have fun, play without pressure and win nothing, play for Leeds... Err, Hardly a great choice.

It's about ambition. Leeds aren't going places, they're going to need time to rebuild after they gone overboard and financed a crazy spree by O'Leary. What would Ferdinand benefit by staying another year? And what comes after that?

The guy's 23, he's played 5 years in the Premier League, he also played in Europe and was a key world cup component for England.

I think he's ready for the step up. It won't be better or easier in 12 months time. Whether he's ambitious enough for it is another question.

And considering the fact Blanc is expected to be first team at OT anyway, I don't think it's a case of Ferdinand being forced into being THE dominant player at the rear.
 
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Originally posted by Davo:
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How are they?

What has Venables done to match Robson's success at Ipswich?

And what has he done of late that emulates Robson's success at Newcastle..</strong><hr></blockquote>

He almost won the European cup for Barcelona.
Robson had one good season @ Newcastle. One swallow.
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Sunday Mirror reports today that we have offered Ferdinand £70,000 a week - which is double his wage at Leeds. Will he come?? Lets hope!
 
Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>He almost won the European cup for Barcelona.
Robson had one good season @ Newcastle. One swallow.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Robson won the Cup Winners Cup with Barcelona. Not great, but not so bad. He came right after the successful Johan Cruyff. Not so easy either!
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Originally posted by sebaveron:
<strong>Sunday Mirror reports today that we have offered Ferdinand £70,000 a week - which is double his wage at Leeds. Will he come?? Lets hope!</strong><hr></blockquote>

If it's only for the money he's welcomed to stay at Leeds.
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