Right now he's abit like watching a Romelu Lukaku but at centre mid. Sort of kid in a smaller side can look beastly, but in a top side where you have to be more sophisticated.. he sticks out like a sore thumb. Wonder if he can over get over that.
Renato Sanches joins Bayern
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Right now he's abit like watching a Romelu Lukaku but at centre mid. Sort of kid in a smaller side can look beastly, but in a top side where you have to be more sophisticated.. he sticks out like a sore thumb. Wonder if he can over get over that.
Midfield may be an experience demanding position, but good young midfielders can be judged on their ability to influence play from occasions during match with sporadic episodes of utter shit. What comes with experience is mostly positional awareness and decision making. If the ingredients for passing, energy, strength etc are not there, you can effectively write them off as being world class. There has to be an underlying talent that shines through and demonstrate capacity to be good in areas.
I never got the hype at Euros nor do I see anything great now. I'd love it if he developed into a quality box to box midfielder, but there's so much lacking in his game. He's really young of course and the midfield role at Bayern is really demanding because of the way we play, so maybe I'm way too harsh on him. But I doubt he'll ever be a regular starter for us.
As an portuguese fan I also like more other type of players, more based on inteligence and decision making, but is Ancelotti taking the best out of him?
I say this because comparing with Guardiola, it is a little painful to watch Bayern to play this season, it is all based on the individual quality of the players, I am not seeing any improvement, even Arsenal can beat this team.
I can only see him working out in a defensive team that doesn't see much of the ball and plays on the counter or exploiting the second ball.
Bayern has all of the ball and not much space there for midfielders like him to do their thing (mediocre technique and great physique and stamina).
Its not about taking a starting spot from anyone, its about what he offers *when* he is given playtime. So far, he's looked to be out of his depth, overwhelmed by the speed of play and struggling with decision making. I'd rather have a promising 19-year old who shows to have both of these and lacking physique than the other way around.
Yes I understand your point, his game for me his more based on the physical side, but if he improves and learns at a tactical level, who knows?
Remember that last year he played in a 4/4/2 system as an 8, and his game was more based in phisycality, he needs to improve tacticaly, but for me he will only achieve if he plays as an central midfielder on a 4/3/3.
Decision making hard to improve much, his game his more suited to an transitional play or more direct than possession football, next year for him will be decisive, remeber that Coman with Pep was playing at an better level, so Ancelotti also has to improve the way they play, and not rely only on the individual quality of the players.
Everyone was playing better under Pep. Apparently it helps if there is a clear plan instead of "go out there and play some football"
So many lost their shit on here when we didn't sign him 
Was blatantly not the type of signing we needed at that time.
Was blatantly not the type of signing we needed at that time.
Yes but don't say that too much, general opinion is that Pep is vastly overrated, he will never make it in England, and for Bayern fans Jupp was 10 times better because well, he did not played possession football and Ancelotti is much better because he won a match 4/0 against Bayern playing on counter attack with Ronaldo in the form of his life.Everyone was playing better under Pep. Apparently it helps if there is a clear plan instead of "go out there and play some football"
He reminds me so much of Anderson.
I always thought that Anderson was technically quite good. Is that wrong?
He had the worst technique I've seen when shooting - honestly it was like he would run at the ball, close his eyes and hit it with his wrong foot. But he could play some good passes and was a good penalty taker. So he was technically good in some aspects.
I think that's a fair opinion. I warned about his limitations but tbf (even if i'm not his biggest fan) i expected a bit more from him after some decent performances at the Euro and Champions League for Benfica. It's just his first season abroad and he may (or may not) evolve but with just over half of a season at top level, i think he should have stayed at Benfica to gain even more experience and keep evolving with playing time. Something he isn't getting in an extremely strong and full of choices Bayern Team. He's also putting his NT career at risk. He's not playing and there are other young players taking advantage of the spotlight. I think Bayern will end up loaning him next year.
Ancelotti deserves some blame but it's also the player's fault. I'm not entirely sure what type of midfielder he's supposed to be. I hope he develops into a Vidal - type of midfielder, agressive box to box who can score and run with the ball. But compared to a 20 year old Vidal in his first season at Leverkusen, Sanches is just far far away from that level. I didn't watch him in Portugal at all, so all I could judge him on were his games against us in the CL and the games at the Euro.
None of what I've seen helps me make sense of the money we paid for him. If he's nowhere ready to play lots of minutes for us, he needs to be loaned out. But if that's the case, we never should have bought him for that kind of money in the first place. It's a huge gamble.
Yes I remember someone saying in Portugal that his type of game is more an Vidal type of player than lets say someone like Modric, but it is hard for me to understand that an club like Bayern would pay that amount of money without scouting him for at least the first six months of 2016, even if I believe Bayern paid something like 35, the other objectives to pay more do not sound reasonable.
The other factor of the inflated price may have to do with Mendes and the new TV deals from the Premier League who inflated the market and now China, when we see today average players in the Championship sold by 15 million nothing surprises me.
But i still blame Ancelotti, it is not only Sanches, Coman is playing much less than under Pep, again I may be suspicious because i never rated too much Ancelotti, yes he has a lot of experience at the higher level, but for me is not even amongst the best 3 italian managers at this moment.
Lets wait and see if Sanches with an normal pre season can improve, even if i do not know if he will go to the Confederations Cup, hopefully if he goes i do not fancy him to be an starter for the NT, probably will not be called to the Euro Under 21 also.
Coman has been injured for the equivalent of 3 months this season.
I did not know that, but I was saying this when he was ok, was playing less like all the team, just my opinion, but ok that is also an factor, for me Ancelotti is worse than Jardim, maybe Sanches needs to be loaned to Monaco to replace Moutinho?
No, they can keep him. Monaco isn't in the business to develop players for other clubs. Now, if they want to sell him for 5m, why not.
He didn't really play as an '8' at Benfica, he played quite deep, sometimes next to a DM, sometimes not. He was at his best when running from deep after having won the ball. Shouldn't have made such a big move so young (except maybe to work with a Portuguese coach or in circumstances where he'd feel more at home) but he'll still come good.
Ah maybe Mendes will give an gift to Jardim and it also solves Bayern problem, anyway this is to talk about Sanches, Monaco is on other topics.
Never got the hype around this lad and didn't want to sign him.
Well i still think that i know where he played and he was not playing alongside Fejsa, even if I am an Sporting fan, I remember watching him play for Portugal at the Euro Under 17 in a 4/3/3 midfield alongside Ruben Neves and another Benfica player, anyway you are right, for me he should have stayed at Benfica at least until 2019 to develop his game and to leave Portugal as an more tactically developed player.
He is not my type of player and I think that the Mendes and Benfica machine hyped him too much, but still I do not want the kid to fail abroad because it is bad for portuguese players overall.
He played in a different position in his youth days than he did in Benfica's first team, that's true. But I liked what the coach did with him at Benfica, he was learning how to improve his positioning and when to run etc nicely. Shame he can't get a kick at Bayern.
As I always maintained even when he was most hyped on here I saw him for what he was: average. Search it up in this topic and see my expertise when everyone else was drunk with bandwagon-syndrome and slammed me for my spot on analysis.
He played even more when he was fit.
My main memory of him at the Euros was every time he so much as trapped the ball the English commentators and so called studio 'experts' would cream themselves. This mainly stemmed from the idea that United had somehow missed out on him and was a source of great amusement for them.
Personally, I was glad we didn't splash that money on him although we desperately needed midfielders at the time (and went and overpaid for Pogba eventually, but that's another story).
He's still got a lot of potential though, even though it's primarily through his athletism. He just needs to figure out how best to apply himself to benefit the team overall.
Personally, I was glad we didn't splash that money on him although we desperately needed midfielders at the time (and went and overpaid for Pogba eventually, but that's another story).
He's still got a lot of potential though, even though it's primarily through his athletism. He just needs to figure out how best to apply himself to benefit the team overall.
Probably because he's being subbed on pretty late in quite a few matches
Still not seeing anything yet!
I remember all the 'experts' on here banging on about him being brilliant. I then kept a keen eye on him at the Euros and assumed I was watching the wrong player. He is so average it's untrue. There's absolutely nothing standout about him bar maybe his physicality.
Guys.
He has gone from being 18 and a half to 19. He hasn't actually played a minute in our terrible last performance to warrant this burst of discussion.
He was raw in summer, he was still raw in November, and HEY GUESS WHAT, he's still raw now.
He hasn't gotten any worse, he hasn't gotten better, at least not that we know of. He's still the same kid whose most promising attributes are engine and workrate, not playmaking and technique.
It makes no sense to draw bimonthly, fundamental resumés, as I have already pointed out before in this thread. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the kid, apart from the fact Bayern decided to spend quite a lot of money for him.
We can judge what a player he has become when he has become that player. In, like, 4-6 years.
He has gone from being 18 and a half to 19. He hasn't actually played a minute in our terrible last performance to warrant this burst of discussion.
He was raw in summer, he was still raw in November, and HEY GUESS WHAT, he's still raw now.
He hasn't gotten any worse, he hasn't gotten better, at least not that we know of. He's still the same kid whose most promising attributes are engine and workrate, not playmaking and technique.
It makes no sense to draw bimonthly, fundamental resumés, as I have already pointed out before in this thread. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the kid, apart from the fact Bayern decided to spend quite a lot of money for him.
We can judge what a player he has become when he has become that player. In, like, 4-6 years.
Don't see why everyone keeps bringing up his physicality. He's not exactly Lukaku or Pogba.
I really don't get these kind of posts. Obviously most football fans will look stupid in hindsight because of the opinions they voiced on young players, because you never really know how they'll develop. You'll get some predictions right and at least as many terribly wrong. But ffs, we can close football forums down for everything but post match discussions if we always have to wait until something has happened rather than try to prodict what might happen. So boring.
How come he's barely playing? They spent a lot on him.
Isn't Ancelotti just like Mourinho in this area? He doesn't use a lot of youngsters?
He's been a bit crap whenever I've seen him this season. Bit brainless.
Alonso, Vidal, Thiago are just better. His biggest problem is Vidal, they are a bit similar types. He needs to be patient, still needs to adapt, but he is talented and has shown it last season
He should have came here.
Nah mate. He should have stayed another year at Benfica like i always said. Now he isn't playing, isn't gaining more game time experience, he isn't evolving like he was last year. If he stayed at Benfica, he would have played the vast majority of their games in the league and Champions League. He would have probably cemented his place on our national team as well. I warned (and most fans on Benfica fans at their board tbf) that he had plenty of flaws in his game and it was too soon for him to move to a club like United or Bayern. He still has alot of potencial but i feel like this was a lost year. Bayern should loan him next year for game time, experience and to see how he evolves in a less demanding, less pressure enviroment.