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Haha - kids are great.
To add to this;Kluivert, Gudjohnsen (Eidur and dad Arnar), Giovannia and Claudio Reyna, Chiesa, Giovanni and Diego Simeone, Ianis and Gheorge Hagi, Jordan and Henrik Larsson
Norway has a bunch of them now
Erik Thorstvedt and his son Kristian who plays for Norway and Genk in Belgium
Lars Bohinen and son Emil Bohinen who plays for Norway u21 and just signed for CSKA Moscow
Alf Inge Håland apparently got a son as well - not sure how he is doing. Probably nothing special
And the amazing Berg-family. Grandfather Harald Berg played 43 times for Norway - he got 3 sons Runar who was part of the great Rosenborg-team in the 90s, Ørjan who also played for Rosenborg and got about 20 caps, and their youngest brother Arild who was the biggest talent of them all but decided to stop playing at an early age and had a lot of mental problems. Ørjan got a son Patrick Berg who is now a Norwegian international.
How many people did they kill while drunk driving?Marcos Alonso's Grandad Marcos Alonso won 5 European Cups for Real Madrid. Marcos Alonso's Dad Marcos Alonso, the son of Marcos Alonso played for Atletico Madrid and Barcelona.
Is that supposed to be funny?How many people did they kill while drunk driving?
He'll be 30 in 19 years.Don't want. He's way too small.
He'll be 30 in 19 years.
To think his mum is 83
No, I just don’t think a big enough deal is made of it.Is that supposed to be funny?
Why not just make a statement about that rather than making an embarrassingly bad joke by anyone's standards?No, I just don’t think a big enough deal is made of it.
To think his mum is 83
...and then they'll say he needs to bulk up.They say he’s a legend
I was thinking about this with Schmeichel. How many Dad-Son combos where both are relatively successful?
Frank Lampard / his Dad was one.
I don’t think Ian Wright/ SWP quite fits
Kluivert, Gudjohnsen (Eidur and dad Arnar), Giovannia and Claudio Reyna, Chiesa, Giovanni and Diego Simeone, Ianis and Gheorge Hagi, Jordan and Henrik Larsson
Norway has a bunch of them now
Erik Thorstvedt and his son Kristian who plays for Norway and Genk in Belgium
Lars Bohinen and son Emil Bohinen who plays for Norway u21 and just signed for CSKA Moscow
Alf Inge Håland apparently got a son as well - not sure how he is doing. Probably nothing special
And the amazing Berg-family. Grandfather Harald Berg played 43 times for Norway - he got 3 sons Runar who was part of the great Rosenborg-team in the 90s, Ørjan who also played for Rosenborg and got about 20 caps, and their youngest brother Arild who was the biggest talent of them all but decided to stop playing at an early age and had a lot of mental problems. Ørjan got a son Patrick Berg who is now a Norwegian international.
I just don’t think he should get away with it so easily and when his name is mentioned it should include an asterisk. I was talking to a Chelsea fan during the cup final who didn’t even know about it. Not a thread to discuss the morals of Marcos Alonso though so I’ll leave it there.Why not just make a statement about that rather than making an embarrassingly bad joke by anyone's standards?
I think Kai needs the following for people to remember the name.
- Ten percent luck
- Twenty percent skill
- Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
- Five percent pleasure
- Fifty percent pain
- And a hundred percent reason to remember the name
Why not just make a statement about that rather than making an embarrassingly bad joke by anyone's standards?
Re: footballers kids making it as pros.
My completely unsubstantiated theory is that it is relatively rare in previous generations, in part due to the fact football is largely a working class sport:
Although obviously training with a professional club from a young age helps, something kids of professionals have an advantage with, my impression is most who make it are obsessed. The kids who are not only naturally talented but who play every opportunity of every day, not just organized games and training at a young age. The ones that play every break time at school, kickabouts at the local park with mates or on the streets. It's also more common for kids from relatively poorer backgrounds to make it, which makes sense. Less distractions, toys, trips etc, less emphasis on school work, more likely to live on an estate/residential area that is more densely populated, so more opportunities for a kickabout. Plus an increased desire bordering on desperation to make it. From the kids themselves and the parents. A working class parent who realises their kid has potential to make it will likely see it as the route to financial freedom for the family and do everything to make that happen.
Im contrast, kids from wealth don't have that same pressure or desperation to make it. They're more likely to have attended a private school, they will have plenty of other interests or potential career paths available. They will have friends who invite them for a weekend at the parents villa in France, or a Saturday horse riding, so they won't be playing a knockabout in the local park against kids older than them. Etc etc. Anyone who played as a kid will surely have played with a talented kid who was good but just didn't take football that seriously, it was a bit of fun, the result didn't matter, they couldn't understand why others were getting angry or shouting or being aggressive or diving into challenges. In contrast, I remember being a kid and playing a knockabout game against kids the year above or from another school and winning felt like the most important thing in the world to beat the bastards, running so hard it hurt, knowing losing would mean losing face. Those kids make it.
However, I do wonder/speculate that this trend may change a bit in the coming generation or so. Footballers at the top today and those who haven't recently retired and have kids at academy age now have wealth that blows previous generations out of the water. You see most of these footballers have football pitches in their garden, which must surely be an advantage for kids to play on most days. They can if the choose pay for unlimited coaching for their kids, send them to training camps, network to get them into academies. I also think that the street football, jumpers for goalpost culture is less common these days anyway, so I think more and more it'll be the case that the kids who make it are the ones that hone their skills at academies.
Like I said, pure speculation, but I'd be surprised if people disagreed.
Marcos Alonso's Grandad Marcos Alonso won 5 European Cups for Real Madrid. Marcos Alonso's Dad Marcos Alonso, the son of Marcos Alonso played for Atletico Madrid and Barcelona.
David Epstein, the author of the Sport's Gene would contradict you. Paraphrasing him but he says that the single best indicator that you will become an elite athlete is if either of your parents were.It's rare as feck.
Remember that Business Insider article a couple of years ago, that stated, that the chance of playing in the PL for the 1,5 million players who are playing organized youth football in England is a mere 0,012%. Sure, being a descendent of a sporting legend will help a bit when it comes to networking, understanding of training, and diet, but genetics can't just be reduced to "well his dad was good, why isn't he then?".
Bet your notifications have been a bit quieter recently.David Epstein, the author of the Sport's Gene would contradict you. Paraphrasing him but he says that the single best indicator that you will become an elite athlete is if either of your parents were.
The Maldini's and the Forlan's are great examples of sporting dynasties. Might be misremembering but I think Diego Forlan was the third generation of his family to play in a world cup for Uruguay. Paolo Maldini's Dad and son have both played for Milan.
What do you mean?Bet your notifications have been a bit quieter recently.
Mentioning two dynasties amongst thousands and thousands that didn’t make it doesn’t contradict the fact, that it’s extremely rare.David Epstein, the author of the Sport's Gene would contradict you. Paraphrasing him but he says that the single best indicator that you will become an elite athlete is if either of your parents were.
The Maldini's and the Forlan's are great examples of sporting dynasties. Might be misremembering but I think Diego Forlan was the third generation of his family to play in a world cup for Uruguay. Paolo Maldini's Dad and son have both played for Milan.
Mentioning two dynasties amongst thousands and thousands that didn’t make it doesn’t contradict the fact, that it’s extremely rare.
I saw my mate, the other day
He said to me he's seen the white Pele('s son!)
So I asked, who is he? He goes by the name of the Wayne Rooney('s son!)
Wayne Rooney('s son!)
Wayne Rooney('s son!)
He goes by the name of the Wayne Rooney('s son!)
There was another Rooney who did alright for us.