Don’t know if it’s been discussed anywhere else but how were Liverpool awarded a penalty today. ???
Refs & VAR 2020/2021 Discussion
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Salah was assaulted from behind, the perpetrator (Diaz) then elbowed 3 other players in the face and fingered klopps wife.
It really was quite shocking, it should've been 3 penalties at least. La.
Azpilicueta standing behind the VAR monitor whilst the ref is looking and screaming at the ref. When was this allowed and why has the ref not booked him? Maguire needs to do this next game, if it's allowed.
Wonder if it would be a good idea to have dedicated VARs who are trained to be good at that specific job rather than just swapping refs in and out? I can see pros and cons with the idea.
As for the above video, it's definitely true that one of the key differences between the TMO in rugby and VAR in football is the fact that you can actually hear their conversation with the ref and understand why they're giving certain decisions. Yet the PL in particular struggle to explain the decisions even after the match.
Var is now a complete farce with decisions taking ages to check, and then still being over turned after the game
The West Ham one over turned
Is this the second one over turned with Mike dean involved?
The West Ham one over turned
Is this the second one over turned with Mike dean involved?
Yup, in less than a week
Surprised but pleased it was overturned. Was expecting them just to back Mason given this is his second overturn so quickly.
Mike Dean has asked not to officiate any games this weekend after receiving death threats.
There has to be accountability for that, surely
Sad that this happens
I do think away from that he (and refs) should be punished for getting something so badly wrong despite so many reviews
I’d say that if they do have specific VAR refs then they need to be ex actual refs or players so they can atleast read a game of football and know about speed of incidents. I find it hard to explain but if there’s a dedicated VAR ref who’s never set foot on a high intensity fast paced game on a pitch but done his training through video and slow motion replays it just has a weird feel to it.
I also think that different refs ref differently (obviously) so the players get a feel for what’s going on on the field and what the refs allowing/ not falling for and play to that and then all of a sudden the VAR ref pops up with his interpretation of a decision. It’s a strange one.
I agree, I think it would solve a lot of refereeing problems if they knew there was possible sanctions for cocking up consistently.
I'm just not on the bandwagon of sending death threats, it's a game of football for Christ sake get over it.
The solution is so, so simple. If the referee/ the VAR official deems an incident needs review, the referee can watch for up to 2 minutes, in real time. No slow motion, no lines, no frame-by-frame. No different referee.
It is the only thing that prevents practically every decision from being evaluated differently. Anytime slow motion and freeze frame is introduced it is not fair imo.
Referee's personal inpretation of the rules has always been a key facet of football. Now all that's happened is it's not just inconsistency between referees, it's inconsistency in their decisions in the same match.
It is the only thing that prevents practically every decision from being evaluated differently. Anytime slow motion and freeze frame is introduced it is not fair imo.
Referee's personal inpretation of the rules has always been a key facet of football. Now all that's happened is it's not just inconsistency between referees, it's inconsistency in their decisions in the same match.
Yeah, definitely a yellow card needed.
that’s my view towards VAR use in general. Why ruin the game that’s been around and loved for decades, bad decision, get over it.
must be the money!
The sad thing is nothing about this would be hard to setup, it's just a clear decision not to be transparent.
Refs need way more protection from human error, they also need to be mic'd up and allowed to give out yellows for dissent. Game needs cleaning up, especially now without crowds you realise just how bad managers and coaching staff are and I have no doubt if I was getting verbally abused by someone I'd be influenced by it positively or negatively in my decision making.
Most of the time broadcasters do know what's happening and let viewers know. I'm not sure getting a microphone on the referee's would solve anything. Bad decisions will be made regardless.
It’s increased accountability knowing they everyone can hear their thought process and how they arrive at a decision. It would only make things better.
I like this, I think. It's the ridiculous zooming in, slowing down, and complete decontextualisation of moments that are contributing to the current circus. You'd still get inconsistencies in referees decisions as they aren't a hivemind but it would give them a chance to see the event again and make a better-informed decision. I don't know how this would work with offsides, though? If there was no frame-by-frame it's going to be difficult to call an offside if there's not much in it.
The boadcasters only know there is a review. They don’t know whats been said
Football has never been a game of transparency and justice.
Obviously, those who decide have always been radically against technology and only accepted it, transforming it into the current confusion.
It's a shame. That we have to watch in almost every game.
Obviously, those who decide have always been radically against technology and only accepted it, transforming it into the current confusion.
It's a shame. That we have to watch in almost every game.
It is an old one with the ref twistAnd this is supposed to be humour.
We need VAR for bad jokes.
Totally wrong (imo). I think Martial made the contact and dived. Bednarek tried as hard as he could to avoid being kicked and got sent off for it!
If you lose the league by one goal then that's because you were giving a penalty you scored from that wasn't a penalty.
True you may have been awarded a penalty in the first half but, there's no guarantee you would have scored
I've always said football is a game of human skill and human error and I would say referee's make fewer mistakes than most if not all the players in a match.
VAR is killing the game of football for anyone with an ounce of a sporting brain. I know I'm watching less and less full matches every week and rely more on highlight programmes for my football fix!
How? Why?
VIOLENT CONDUCT
Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.
In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.
I think think it's still a red card if the foul was made outside penalty area by the last defender even if he make an attempt to play the ball. Because the attacking team don't get a penalty the defender has denied a goal scoring chance. If inside the box and a penalty is given then the attacking team still has a goal scoring opportunity.
They don't use line drawn on the pitch for offside in rugby. They show the the ref on the stadium screen when a possible offside happens. The officials view it together and decide if it's obvious or not. All the officials are mick'd up and fans can buy a "ref link" for the whole season and listen to them in all the matches.
Agree with that. If the same answer is the same twice why would you go against it.
A calculator will give the correct answer to the numbers being put into it but. if the numbers are wrong the answer will be wrong for that sum. The problem with technology is. it's only going on what a human is putting it.
Everybody's talking about the contact being on the legs and ignoring that the defender grabbed his shoulder on the way past.
Sorry but you quoted my post from the United game . Not my fault that Mike Dean gives so many reds
My post was obviously assuming that Dean was giving a penalty. I think the penalty was a shaky one but if you are giving a penalty then you have to give a red there . Penalty was soft no doubt
Mike Dean playing the victim card to distract people from his incompetence. Two wrong card decisions in a week. People keep complaining about VAR but it's the people behind the VAR who are the problem. They are immune from criticism because players/managers who call them out will get banned. Made a terrible decision? Don't worry they don't have to explain themselves and will proceed to be the referee in another game a few days later. There's a reason why no English referees were at the World Cup.
Sure...making contact in the box isn’t a penalty. Ok. Both the ref and var agreed it was a penalty. Some might think it’s soft. That doesn’t make it not a pen.
How did Lamela avoid a red card on Martial ? It’s ridiculous.
Isn’t it obvious why he’s saying that?
Yep, you're correct. Refs and VAR have never made a mistake so they must be right. Though I'm not sure VAR was used to see if they thought it was a penalty or not and, even if they were they never seem to overrule the refs.
The laws are a challenge made where no attempt to play the ball is made is a red card, Bednarek made no attempt to play the ball but, made every effort to avoid contact with Martial. If there was contact it was so small (this is what gets me) it wasn't enough to bring Martial down. So it's got to be a foul at every bit of contact everywhere on the pitch.
From what I've seen the first (may be only) contact was made by Martial.
It's annoyed me for years when attackers are through on goal and as they go past the keeper the attacker throws a leg out sideway to make contact with the keeper. Ref gives a penalty and sends keeper off when it was the attacker that kicked the keeper.
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Why does he need to know when he’s on screen, twice!
mike dean would love this, I’ve always thought he liked the attention but after watching his crouch podcast I’m convinced he loves the attention. I was also shocked he said he wouldn’t have give aguerro the second yellow for removing his top in goal celebration if he’d already been booked. Yeah cool Mike, you do what you want.
I think that is excatly what it should be done. Microphones. It would be transparent and we would not need to guess what referee saw in some incidents.
We now have refs watching players getting fouled while taking a throw in and thinking, “yeah, nothing wrong with that”.
Yet the problem is apparently video technology and not the refs and their understanding of (or willingness to apply) the laws of the game that they're supposedly governed by and the enforcers of.
People aren’t complaining about technology. They’re complaining about VAR. The technology, a TV screen, isn’t capable of making decisions on its own. I don’t know how many times this needs to be pointed out. When people complain about VAR, they aren’t complaining about the TV screen.