?What about the Utd game yesterday. Surely the Pogba penalty and Maguire handball should both have been reviewed by VAR?
Maguire got given get out of jail free card at the beginning of this season
If it wasn't a penalty, then is Cavani played onside by the defender playing the ball to him?
Pogba trips himself because Luiz puts his leg in Pogba's path, which makes Pogba's foot hook into Luiz's calf and subsequently make him trip himself up. His balanc wasn't really helped by Luiz holding his left arm straight out at shoulder height either.
What about the Utd game yesterday. Surely the Pogba penalty and Maguire handball should both have been reviewed by VAR?
Maguire got given get out of jail free card at the beginning of this season
No review.
).There's no way anyone can prove Pogba tripped himself without the touch from Douglas Luiz, therefore because the ref gave the penalty - you can't say it should have been overturned. Had the ref not given the penalty, I still think it would have been given after review because it looks, from all angles, like Luiz inadvertently trips Pogba by pushing his foot behind his standing leg. It's soft but it's a foul. This one is the least contentious for me because we have seen a lot of these soft but 50/50 type calls long before VAR came along and will continue to see them given or not given.
The Maguire handball is lucky in that it's definitely accidental but his arm is away from his body and there's a real argument that he's altering the flight of the ball in a goal scoring situation. I am surprised that was not VAR reviewed pitch side although it would have been harsh (I am aware I am biased
The Mings elbow I originally thought was nothing but, when you look at it in slow mo, he is leading with his elbow into Pogba's face (and makes contact with his mouth). It's tough because he has to challenge and it's natural to lead with an arm, although not that high but I don't see why VAR didn't flag that to Oliver to watch pitch side as well.
I've seen the video of this handball, and for me there's still no conclusive evidence that it even hit the arm in the first place. There's one video where the video stops as the ball appears to be on top of Maguire's arm, but then it just drops down without changing path, which suggests that the ball is behind the arm (relative to the camera) without making contact (or that Maguire's a ghost and that objects can pass freely through him).The Maguire handball is lucky in that it's definitely accidental but his arm is away from his body and there's a real argument that he's altering the flight of the ball in a goal scoring situation. I am surprised that was not VAR reviewed pitch side although it would have been harsh (I am aware I am biased
Fine by me.
There's no way anyone can prove Pogba tripped himself without the touch from Douglas Luiz, therefore because the ref gave the penalty - you can't say it should have been overturned. Had the ref not given the penalty, I still think it would have been given after review because it looks, from all angles, like Luiz inadvertently trips Pogba by pushing his foot behind his standing leg. It's soft but it's a foul. This one is the least contentious for me because we have seen a lot of these soft but 50/50 type calls long before VAR came along and will continue to see them given or not given.
The Maguire handball is lucky in that it's definitely accidental but his arm is away from his body and there's a real argument that he's altering the flight of the ball in a goal scoring situation. I am surprised that was not VAR reviewed pitch side although it would have been harsh (I am aware I am biased
The Mings elbow I originally thought was nothing but, when you look at it in slow mo, he is leading with his elbow into Pogba's face (and makes contact with his mouth). It's tough because he has to challenge and it's natural to lead with an arm, although not that high but I don't see why VAR didn't flag that to Oliver to watch pitch side as well.
Looks to me like it does, for me it's similar to the Pogba penalty. Did Douglas Luiz push Pogba's leg behind his standing leg, no one can definitively say yes or no. For me, as I said before, I think it would have been harsh but I believe his arm, completely accidentally, alters the falling balls' path.
Ok, not seen that one will have a look. For me, it looked like it did but might not have seen all the angles.
Please see my earlier post, that's exactly what I think happened. My point is you can't definitively say he did or did not from the angles (hence my opinion that once the ref blows for the penalty, VAR cannot overturn)
The point of greatest advantage to the "attacking" team
Well, no. If it hit the leg of the defender he would still be offside as it's just a deflection. If the arm isn't considered a foul it's still just a deflection since it's a part of the body similar to the leg and he wasn't in control of the ball. I think if he stopped the ball cold and cleared it, it should always be a penalty. However, the difference in doing that and doing what he did here could be minuscule in certain situations. Honestly I'm not sure what should happen. What I am sure of though, is that whatever the protocol for this should be, should also be clarified and consistently applied. It's not even defined properly yet. I would totally get over it easier if I feel angry and then could rely on a rule, even if it's kinda dumb.
My point is the way VAR works, once a ref has blown it is very rare for them to be overruled. Whereas if the ref doesn’t blow - the bar seems much higher for VAR to then retrospectively award a penalty. The foul on Pogba was a penalty in my opinion but, had Michael Oliver not blown, I don’t think it would have been retrospectively given.
