RedTiger vs Harms/Joga - Tactical Draft QF

Who created a better environment for their star player to shine?


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Philosophy/Ideology of tactical set-up
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Style possession

Central player
Playing his favoured position behind the striker. Having Leonardo and Scifo on the flanks means they will naturally come narrow bringing the oppo fullbacks out of position and allowing Del Piero to play close to a free role in the final third. A solid central mid partnership of Essien and Stankovic meaning not too much on del piero to come deep.

Defense

Defensive Line - Normal
Marking - zonal
Off the ball - tucking in defenders to form compact defense
On the ball - Build up play

Midfield
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Attack
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Player Roles
Del Piero - Free Role
Fullbacks - provide the bulk of attacking wide play.
Essien - B2B
Stankovic- Sitting Midfield
The wingers - AM/inside forwards
Zamorano - lead line
Specific Tactical Manoeuvres
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Team Harms/Joga


Philosophy/Ideology of tactical set-up

The side is built around "the crazy man from Lokeren", Preben Elkjaer Larsen, and is mainly inspired by the legendary Danish Dynamite (Denmark's national side in the 80's) - while also keeping in mind the Italian Champions of 1985, Hellas Verona. And despite Verona achieving arguably the greatest underdog accomplishment in history (winning the league where the likes of Platini, Zico, Falcao and Maradona played for different competitive sides), you can already see the pattern - both teams never had a period of prolonged success because both were too romantic and, you can even say, a little naive. Elkjaer Larsen was the epitome of both sides - batshit crazy, energetic, direct and fearless, always running forward with the ball regardless of the amount and quality of defenders he faced; the style that will later be associated with the young Fenomeno.

We tried to fill our team with the players who were all incredibly direct (and sometimes even frustratingly so) and, which was quite probably as much important, who shared the same mentality and perception of the game itself. With Elkjaer being so incredibly all-rounded we tried to create as many different routes to goal as possible - be it an orthodox wing threat from the left, or a more sophisticated pairing of Kaltz and Bonhof on the right; and also Robson's and Tardelli's passing and runs from midfield and incredibly creative link up game from Streltsov.

Style
We won't try to dominate the possession - in fact, our side will be morbidly direct***. If there is a formation that is associated with a positive counter-attacking game, it's 4-4-2. If there is one thing that Preben needs most, it's the liberty and free space to execute his incessant off the ball runs. Our lopsided formation with unorthodox wingers leaves enough space out wide for him to exploit; and there are enough secondary goalthreat (Streltsov, Robson, and anyone from Demyanenko, Bonhof, Tardelli and Kaltz) for him not to be overburdened with it - despite him still being the main man and our most prominent goalscorer.

***Whilst we have an extremely direct side, the likes of Robson and Streltsov possess cool calm heads and are very much capable of providing the direction, composure and most importantly the leaderships qualities to go with the explosiveness. Vital qualities which shouldn't go under the radar.

Central player

If Laudrup characterized the genius at the heart of the Danish Dynamites, Lerby the sheer drive, then Elkjaer was the epitome of the sheer explosiveness and verticality behind his sides. Elkjaer on his trademark barnstorming rampages, like a man possessed was always quite the sight to behold. A potent blend of explosiveness, nifty footwork, pace and sheer physicality made Elkjaer a unique and at times unstoppable tour de force, capable of wreaking havoc on even the most sturdiest and organised defenses (just ask the peak eighties Serie A defenses).

He was determination incarnate, and his seemingly endless lung capacity is even more amazing given that he was a chain smoker. Often he would go on me-against-the-world runs, culminating most notably in famous strikes against Belgium and USSR. He would simply run through defenders (see his goal against Scotland in 1986) and if a brick wall got in the way, well, he'd take his chances. In short, nothing was going to stop him scoring, and it was fitting that, in the 1984-85 season in which he inspired little Verona to the Serie A title, he scored a superb solo goal against the reigning champions Juventus with no boot on his right foot, having lost it during a surge down the left. He nagged away at defenders constantly, inverting the 80s relationship between defender and attacker, and must have been a nightmare to play against.

Yet there was so much more to Elkjær than raw desire. He had wonderful balance and sublime skill: one ninja-like turn on Russell Osman during the 2-2 draw in 1982 boggles the mind almost as much as the famous Dennis Bergkamp goal at Newcastle; he developed the Elkjær turn, a spin-off of the Cruyff turn, when he was on holiday in Barbados and saw kids playing with coconuts on the beach. He was an incredibly aggressive finisher with both feet, from short – and long range; and if he was occasionally iffy in the air, his overall record – 38 in 69 games – brooks no argument. Truly, there have been very few forwards in the game's history with such a complete range of skills. He came third in the Ballon d'Or in 1984, second in 1985 and fourth in 1986. He also won the Bronze Ball at Mexico 86, the only instance of a player knocked out in the last 16 winning this award.



Defense

We went with a more traditional back four this time. Vierchowod will be the archetypical stopper, Schwarzenbeck will be a covering center back. Our unique wings (we will describe them later in detail) allow our fullbacks more freedom than they usually have in a flat back four - especially Kaltz will still play a key role in our attacking game.

Midfield

Right at the heart of everything we have Bryan Robson, the epitome of a talismanic attacking box-to-box (Stevie who?), flying into crunching tackles and scoring screamers, whilst critically allying it with tactical acumen and awareness, with the craft to be at the fore of the supplyline for the forward line, and the dynamism to dovetail with our incredibly dynamic attacking unit. Marco Tardelli seems perfect for a classic box to box duo - Robson as a more attacking one, Tardelli as more defensive. His expertise in defence (he regularly played there, either as a center back or as a fullback), should come in handy, but he also had a knack for scoring in important games, most notably in 1982 World Cup final.

Our wings deserve special attention though. On the left, we went with an unorthodox decision - pairing Lizarazu and Demyanenko; Emery's decision to play both Alba and Mathieu against Pep's Barca was one of the most interesting tactical experiments of the last decade; Pep himself was so impressed that he regularly played Alaba and Bernat as an interchangeable left flank at Bayern. Demyanenko has enough experience playing everywhere on the left, he is pretty much the perfect total footballer in Lobanovsky's interpretation - and if you're doubting his attacking game, in 1985 he scored 13 goals from a full back position. This decision puts another runner/grafter upfront, with a knack of scoring a rebound goals - and also providing a challenge for the opposing right back with Demyanenko and Lizarazu being free to change their roles as the game goes.
On the right, we have Rainer Bonhof ahead of Kaltz. Bonhof was the epitome of versatility - we already highlighted his defensive prowess in the last game, but here he plays a more complex role. He is a right midfielder, who can (and will) cover for Kaltz when needed, he will also drop centrally to assure midfield dominance, but most of the time he'll do what he can do best - just play that right midfield role to perfection. If you need evidence of him being suited to this role, here is what he had done in the World Cup and European Championship's finals (Bonhof's vital assists speak for themselves - Gerd Muller's winning goal in the 1974 World Cup final as well as 4 assists in the semi-final and final of the 1976 European Championship.):



Attack

Naturally it's built around Elkjaer, and he has the spatial freedom and tactical liberty to roam around, receiving a steady stream, and most importantly, a varied supplyline, whilst doing his thing - probing and opening up the gaps for his teammates (like he did for Briegel, Laudrup, Lerby et cetera). Streltsov combines outstanding physicality with his unique understanding of the game and willingness to bring others in play. It's really his link up play that made him that stand out, even though he was a goalscoring sensation in his early years. He also naturally drifts to the left, so they won't be bothering each other much - and Elkjaer will cherish all these smart flicks, one-twos and cheeky backheels.

Player Roles

H. Schumacher - Goalkeeper
B. Lizarazu - Left fullback
P. Vierchowod - Stopper
H.-G. Schwarzenbeck - Covering defender
M. Kaltz - Right fullback with full creative freedom
A. Demyanenko - Left midfielder
R. Bonhof - Right midfielder
B. Robson - Attacking box-to-box (more videos on the same channel)
M. Tardelli - Defensive box-to-box
E. Streltsov - Playmaking target striker (more videos here)
P. Elkær Larsen - Free-roaming striker


Specific Tactical Manoeuvres
  • Demyanenko - Lizarazu interchange
  • Bonhof - playing right wing; dropping back to cover for Kaltz; moving centrally to help out Robson and Tardelli
  • Robson (and to a lesser extent, Tardelli) running to the box to score Lerby/Briegel's type of goal
 
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  • Draft matches would be decided based on who has crafted/built the more coherent and cohesive tactical set-up around his main star as opposed to who might win in a fantasy encounter. Hopefully, this paves way for interesting discussions on the set-ups themselves - delving deeper into the creation/evolution etc of said set-up - and the personnel fit.
  • Voters are asked to consider the XIs featured as 2 separate teams not like a classic game of football, and to consider to what extent the manager has succeeded in building around his central figure. This is not a fantasy match but a comparison of 2 tactical attempts.
  • Teams will be built and judged for best tactical fits rather then the quality of the team. First, team has to be perfectly built around the central figure, if both teams are very close then you look at the other specific pairings, good fits for the team etc. if the level is still close then you watch at quality of the individual players except of the central player.

good luck @harms @Joga Bonito @RedTiger
 
@harms @Joga Bonito is there any particular reason for that left wing combo? Didnt like that at Valencia, didnt watched much at Bayern but im assuming i wouldnt like it. Its ok if you make that for some specific reason and specific match up but for this draft i cant see the point unless its for some reason benefiting Elkjaer and i have to admit i dont see it so would like to hear from you guys. Other then that i like the team.

@RedTiger why is Essien on the left? I usually hate when people question sides for midfielders because most can play both and in fact play both sides during the game but Essien is one of the rare that actually needs to be on the right. I see you went with Alves behind Enzo as i mentioned in the first game, now thats a great flank and Alves allows Enzo to drift inside and do his thing while he dominates the right side.
But i have same concerns as the first game, not enough creativity in there which is funny because usually all the teams have to many of that :D
 
@harms @Joga Bonito is there any particular reason for that left wing combo? Didnt like that at Valencia, didnt watched much at Bayern but im assuming i wouldnt like it. Its ok if you make that for some specific reason and specific match up but for this draft i cant see the point unless its for some reason benefiting Elkjaer and i have to admit i dont see it so would like to hear from you guys. Other then that i like the team.
Another runner from the left, since Streltsov is going to drop centrally, in place of Deyna. Demyanenko was quite different when he was asked to play higher up the pitch, he liked to cut in (being naturally right-footed) and had a nice shot on him, apart from the usual overlap-cross routine. Plus we didn't want to overburden Lizarazu offensively since Kaltz is going to run forward more and it would a waste to ask Robson to cover for him.

Surprised that you didn't like it at Valencia though.
 
Surprised that you didn't like it at Valencia though.

Quite possible that i didnt like it because Mathieu is crap, would be interesting to see two good players in the same manoeuvre.
Problem is, they didnt play like that only against Barca(in that game that makes sense) as Mathieu played left mid the whole or at least majority of that season.
 
Quite possible that i didnt like it because Mathieu is crap, would be interesting to see two good players in the same manoeuvre.
Problem is, they didnt play like that only against Barca(in that game that makes sense) as Mathieu played left mid the whole or at least majority of that season.
Yeah, against other teams - I get it. Demyanenko has the full skillset of a winger though, and it's not an exaggeration, the comparisons are mostly so that those only familiar with him in his left back role won't be totally lost in confusion.
 
Since we were accused of not paying enough attention to our star player last time, Joga made this compilation:


I'm finishing up the one with Elkjaer playing against Spain in 1984 semi-final. If you want to see more - subscribe to my channel vote for us! :rolleyes:
 
is there any particular reason for that left wing combo? Didnt like that at Valencia, didnt watched much at Bayern but im assuming i wouldnt like it. Its ok if you make that for some specific reason and specific match up but for this draft i cant see the point unless its for some reason benefiting Elkjaer and i have to admit i dont see it so would like to hear from you guys. Other then that i like the team.

Well, tbf the Bayern-Valencia LB combinations were just used as an modern day examples.

Demyanenko was one of the more complete and tactically astute attacking wing-backs around, schooled in Lobanovsky's all round system. He thrived in Lobanovsky's 4-4-2 and was utilized on the either flanks of either the wing or the full back position. A great example would be how he dovetailed with Rats in the UEFA Cup Winner's Cup final for instance, where they forged a great duo and interchanged at will, making for a cracking flank which proved to be the major source of danger for Atletico on that night.



0.00 Puts in a low cross but is blocked, but Rats takes over from a deeper position and provides the assist for the opener

1.46 Plays a great long ball from the left back position with Vats almost scoring a goal at the end of the move inside the box

3.10 Starts run from the LWB position and ends up in a great position on the edge of the box but Rats, who has cut in goes for the shot

3.58 Stunning move started off from Demya's throw-in and Rats carries the ball forward Blokhin finishes off the sweeping move


http://www.thehardtackle.com/2013/d...ion-of-lobanovskyis-theories-classic-clashes/

A good analysis of the game with Demyanenko playing a prominent role as the bucaneering wing-back, being ever-present in either ends of the pitch, forming a fantastic left-flank with Rats

At the quarter-hour mark Blokhin missed an absolute sitter as he received a cross from Demyanenko while being completely unmarked at far post. With only Fillol to beat Blokhin failed to generate enough power as his shot was beaten away....

Chanov started the move by throwing towards Demyanenko who took two touches before launching a long pass for Belanov. Belanov held off both Spanish center-backs before rolling a pass for Blokhin who shot wide.

Dynamo seemed to relax a bit after the half hour mark though their opponents failed to threaten Chanov in that period. Minutes before the half-time both Yakovenko and Demyanenko saw their shots rebound of Atletico defenders....

Atletico had their own chance ten minutes later as a cross from Clemente caught Chanov in no-man’s land with substitute Setién closing in on an open goal. This time, Demyanenko showed the worth of his arm-band by making a timely clearance. Minutes later the Dynamo captain was involved in the other side as his header off a Yakovenko cross almost crept in.

Dynamo’s second goal is often considered to be a perfect example of Lobanovsky’s theory. Jonathan Wilson describes it perfectly here, “The second goal in particular, a sweeping counterattack, showed the fluid beauty of the Lobanovskyi machine”. The move started with Demyanenko connecting with Rats’ run along the Dynamo’s left flank. Rats went past two Atletico players before rolling the ball towards Belanov. Belanov took two touches before finding Yevtushenko near Atletico penalty box. Both Belanov and Yevtushenko had chances to shoot, yet staying true to Lobanovsky’s theory none of them took the chance. Instead, the latter connected with Blokhin’s overlap on the far right side as the veteran striker calmly chipped over Fillol.


When going on the offensive the tireless Demyanenko overlapped, increasing the man advantage in midfield which allowed Dynamo to press better.




Some gifs to illustrate Demyanenko's game-play and sheer explosiveness, in addition to his positional versatility - playing on the right here for instance


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(Not the greatest of touches although the ball did bounce awkwardly before reaching him. Great burst to get into a dangerous position, more of those to follow)

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Goes past 2 defenders before putting a good ball but the Soviet Union midget forwards hardly posed a threat aerially throughout the game :lol:

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Terrific goal-saving back-pedalling headed clearance

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Once again great awareness to track the run, staying goalside of the attacker to prevent a clear goalscoring opportunity.

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Looks for a one-two and busts his gut to get forward (a frequent feature of his game, often outpacing his marker) but the midfielder doesn't maximise the situation

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Great anticipation with the interception/tackle which results in a promising attack for the Soviets
 
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Nips the ball off MvB

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Once again demonstrating his penchant for gut-busting runs after a nice one-two. Would have been clear through on goal (leaving the LB eating dust) had the pass not been telegraphed.

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A good pull back which was astutely intercepted by the well positioned Rijkaard

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Getting the better of MvB yet again. Got to say, MvB was pretty anonymous overall bar THAT goal.

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Puts in a nice deep cross after another penetrating run but the Soviet forwards were almost defunct aerially :annoyed:

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Again...

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The hallmarks of a footballer who was schooled in Lobanovsky's total football philosophy. Wins the header at the start of the move, proceeding to move forward intelligently to position himself in between the lines (in front of the CBs) knowing there is no spare man to pick him up, thereby providing an extra option for the man on the ball. Demyanenko is the guy who does the final lay off before the free kick is won in the dangerous area.

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Excellent ball over the top

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Is on the poor sod in a flash :lol: after a quick throw by the goalie, pressurising him to ultimately win a throw in high up the pitch. There were plenty more examples of him pressing intelligently and ferociously but don't want to bore you guys any further :lol:

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Wins a corner after yet another routine foray forward

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A nice free kick flighted in by him which results in a shot which hits the woodwork
 
Its ok if you make that for some specific reason and specific match up but for this draft i cant see the point unless its for some reason benefiting Elkjaer

Elkjaer's always played in sides with fairly strong flanks or wide players (be it the jinxy Simonsen for the early part of the eighties, or Fanna in Verona or of course Jesper Olsen later on), players who were capable of providing great aerial service for Elkjaer (who was an absolute pest in the air both goalscoring wise and pressuring defenders into mistakes as the game against Italy will show) and in particular Demyanenko was no ordinary full back/wide midfielder but rather a complete one who excelled in Lobanovsky's universal set-up.

All in all, we wanted a direct set-up here and not many bring forth and exploit the directness of a side, than a 4-4-2/4-4-1-1 or whatever (as Lobanovsky's Kiev, Sacchi's AC Milan and Michels Netherlands amongst various other sides have shown). The key to remember is that, this isn't a classic set-up with two chalk-hugging wingers but rather an unique and an explosive left-flank and a more nuanced right flank with Bonhof playing the side midfielder role, not too dissimilar to the versatile Arnesen for the Danish Dynamites for instance, being perfectly complemented by the banana-flanken renowned Kaltz. All in all, we expect Elkjaer to thrive here in this set-up with an extremely direct approach and the likes of Robson, Tardelli and of course, Streltsov to dovetail with. He'd be given full freedom here and has plenty of varied service lines both centrally and out wide, or during possession or from counter-attacks, from long or short etc.
 
Some quotes about Demyanenko - from Lobanovsky, his teammates, himself and some articles. What is notable is that some articles still attribute as a defender and some - as a midfielder for Dynamo and USSR in the 80's. He became his career as a forward, who scored quite often, and later was moved to midfield, where his all-roundness and stamina were used better.

Vladimir Onishenko, teammate, from 1982 interview: Demyanenko stands out because of the unorthodox and original decisions he makes on the pitch. Do you remember his fantastic goal against Turkey? I have to say, he elevated himself to another level last year

... Every great footballer has different qualities. Not just one skill - player’s class consists of a sum of his parts. When we’re talking about Demyanenko, who plays as a defender and midfielder for Dinamo Kyiv and USSR, experts and journalists notice his correctness in defense, fantastic understanding of the game and irrepressibility in attack.


Demyanenko (discussing Lobanovsky’s Dinamo): Our team was stronger than our opponents in few key components. For example, how effective we used the «speed maneuver». Our attackers were constantly in motion, luring away the defenders and creating free space for us. We scored lots of goals because our opponents didn’t know where to expect the crucial blow and who will be the one to strike it.

Our manager demands from us to maximize and expand our playing functions. I received a task to use every available moment to organize or finish the attack. And I love attacking! I started my career as a forward and later played quite a lot as a midfielder, that’s where I’ve got my goalscoring instincts. I think I scored around 5 goals from rebounds this season - although mostly I scored after great passes by Blokhin and Zavarov.


Lobanovsky: When we signed him from Dnepropetrovsk, it was the end of 1978, he was a subtle young midfielder, and many people in Kyiv weren’t convinced: «another bench player, he won’t last 2 seasons here». At first I noticed that he wasn’t entirely comfortable, but as the time went, he felt included, the guys liked him unconditionally. He impressed everyone with his workrate - he ran himself into the ground going up and down in that 70 meters long zone at the wing, and after the game he looked like all this running actually made him happy.


His debut for USSR was in a game against Atletico Madrid (friendly, it was a common thing to play against the clubs). After the first half the Soviets were one goal down. Beskov asked Demyanenko: "you should move higher and join the attack more, like you do for Kyiv". Anatoly did what was asked of him - and after the half time he was unstoppable, making 2 assists and eventually winning the game for his country.


...The renewed Dinamo began its 1985 European campaign with a very tough game. They were losing by 2 goals with almost no time left when Demyanenko bursted forward and scored a goal for them. That goal gave them hope - and in the return leg they destroyed Utrecht 4:1 - and after that they were unstoppable on their way to the final
 


Elkjaer's compilation against Spain - the game itself was 120 minutes long + the penalties and I included his off the ball movement and pressing as well (to better understand him and his playing style), so it ended up a bit long :lol:

Not the most remarkable game by him, but his supposed partnership with Robson should be easier to visualize after this one - Lerby and their understanding of each other is simply magnificent

edit: forgot to delete a technical remark on Russian around the middle and could've done with a little less close ups, but I'm a sucker for dramatics
 
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Cheers for clarifying everything and special thanks for Elkjaer compilations!:drool:
 
Cheers for clarifying everything and special thanks for Elkjaer compilations!:drool:
Sure thing.

and could've done with a little less close ups, but I'm a sucker for dramatics

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Any thoughts or queries from the neutrals? I get that the weekend isn't the greatest of times to have a match but would appreciate any feedback.
 
Joga/harms: great dedication.

RT wrote (in advance) 2 sentences in the thread.

Central player
Playing his favoured position behind the striker. Having Leonardo and Scifo on the flanks means they will naturally come narrow bringing the oppo fullbacks out of position and allowing Del Piero to play close to a free role in the final third. A solid central mid partnership of Essien and Stankovic meaning not too much on del piero to come deep.

antohan and Chesterlestreet have certainly read his presentation as it isn't too long.
 
I'm not going to check what the score is because I know harms and joga are probably winning this:lol:

You guys always draft well:)

It's been a busy day with the end of half term and work as well, so I'm sorry I couldn't offer any insight into my thoughts and reasoning for my selection.

I'll try and add something more in the morning after the kids have gone to school.
 
So, the only neutrals to post in this thread are Sjor and Downcast, with 22 votes already :lol: Come on guys, let's see some opinions
 
So, the only neutrals to post in this thread are Sjor and Downcast, with 22 votes already :lol: Come on guys, let's see some opinions

Honestly I preferred your team in the previous round, with Deyna's brilliant playmaking looking a sure-fire means of bringing Elkjaer's great movement into play. Still voted for you partly on the strength of you and Joga's great work in describing your players and tactics in the thread, and partly due to the overall quality differential in midfield. Essien aside, RT's midfield looks a bit 'samey' to me, and maybe a bit too cramped. Dani Alves was a superb reinforcement though in terms of adding width.
 
Honestly I preferred your team in the previous round, with Deyna's brilliant playmaking looking a sure-fire means of bringing Elkjaer's great movement into play. Still voted for you partly on the strength of you and Joga's great work in describing your players and tactics in the thread, and partly due to the overall quality differential in midfield. Essien aside, RT's midfield looks a bit 'samey' to me, and maybe a bit too cramped. Dani Alves was a superb reinforcement though in terms of adding width.
Yeah, I have no problems with that (as I obviously liked it too) - but we wanted to try something different this time.
 
I agree with what @Pat_Mustard says about Deyna's absence being a big miss. That said, you basically got my vote for having the balls to put a perceived full-back in left midfield. Not really much to say beyond that, RT is solid and complementary and doesn't do anything wrong with Del Piero.
 
What the hell have Harms and Joga done with their side.. it was my favourite to win the competition and certainly up there, I just don't like the way the team is set up at all and the midfield just doesn't convince me.

RedTiger's side is very simplistic, not sure if it really gets the best out of Del Piero but at least it makes sense.
 
harms/joga's sub
Since it doesn't look good, we'll go back to the original formation. We still think that the criticism it got in the first game was undeserved, and hopefully with our focus being solely on Elkjaer this time, you'll understand our original idea better.

@Šjor Bepo @Raees

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What the hell have Harms and Joga done with their side.. it was my favourite to win the competition and certainly up there, I just don't like the way the team is set up at all and the midfield just doesn't convince me.
Out of interest - midfield 4 of Leonardo, Essien, Stankovic and Scifo seems more convincing than ours to you? I would be glad if you were elaborate further on that point.
Anyway, we changed back to 3-5-2.
 
Out of interest - midfield 4 of Leonardo, Essien, Stankovic and Scifo seems more convincing than ours to you? I would be glad if you were elaborate further on that point.
Anyway, we changed back to 3-5-2.

Barely more convincing.

Just a shock to me as I really rated your side very highly.

Good change.
 
Our change to 4-4-2 was dictated by the idea to more accurately replicate Elkjaer's role in the national team from 1984 to 1986; When he played as a sole/furtherest striker with young Laudrup being a 9,5. Less of a passing self he shaped into in the later stage of his career and more of a creative second striker - and in our choice to replace him we chose Streltsov over Deyna, as Deyna was more of a classic number 10, and Streltsov fit the profile better.

And while our team didn't have dedicated playmaker, Robson, Bonhof, Kaltz, Tardelli and Demyanenko still provides fantastic and variable service in a counter-attacking system (like I said, even Laudrup in the middle of the 80's wasn't Denmark's dedicated playmaker - it was a responsibility shared by Lerby/*Robson* and Olsen)
 
Barely more convincing.

Just a shock to me as I really rated your side very highly.

Good change.
If we were to play an actual draft game, we would go with the original 3-5-2, no question. Our starting formation today was a result of 2 things - firstly, it was a response to the criticism that our side got in the first round for being too good (sounds absurd, but); and secondly, a chance to do something different instead of doing a copy paste version of the same team with positional upgrades - in our attempt to showcase Elkjær's strengths in different systems and situations.
 
If we were to play an actual draft game, we would go with the original 3-5-2, no question. Our starting formation today was a result of 2 things - firstly, it was a response to the criticism that our side got in the first round for being too good (sounds absurd, but); and secondly, a chance to do something different instead of doing a copy paste version of the same team with positional upgrades - in our attempt to showcase Elkjær's strengths in different systems and situations.

To clarify, I wasn't looking at your side as to whether it has better players. I was looking at it primarily as to whether it would get best out of Elkjaer and secondly as to whether the tactical fit of your side made sense.

For me the first formation just made me feel cold, I didn't like it.
 
I don't understand why everyone seems hellbent in worsening their teams.
 
To clarify, I wasn't looking at your side as to whether it has better players. I was looking at it primarily as to whether it would get best out of Elkjaer and secondly as to whether the tactical fit of your side made sense.

For me the first formation just made me feel cold, I didn't like it.
No problem. I just don't know how the likes of Stankovic of Scifo being shoehorned on the right (I know that he isn't supposed to provide width or whatever) are going to highlight Del Piero's ability - in fact I'm totally lost as I don't see any chemistry there, but many people do, as the vote shows.
 
Can you elaborate on why do you think it's the perfect fit for Del Piero in terms of personnel or formation? @RedTiger We're happy to answer the same questions if they'll be asked.
Just want to have a discussion going, if it's possible
 
No problem. I just don't know how the likes of Stankovic of Scifo being shoehorned on the right (I know that he isn't supposed to provide width or whatever) are going to highlight Del Piero's ability - in fact I'm totally lost as I don't see any chemistry there, but many people do, as the vote shows.
Scifo is a questionable fit, but Del Piero was well used to playing in fairly narrow set-ups at Juventus and Italy - 4-3-1-2s and 3-5-2s aplenty. Obviously Alves is as good a provider of width as any right-back.
 
Scifo is a questionable fit, but Del Piero was well used to playing in fairly narrow set-ups at Juventus and Italy - 4-3-1-2s and 3-5-2s aplenty. Obviously Alves is as good a provider of width as any right-back.
Yeah, of course. It's just that apart from Alves I don't see any players who are going to influence Del Piero's game more than any generic player for their position.
But majority does not agree with me, so I asked for a better explanation from Tiger himself or those who voted for him if possible.

edit - I have to share it even though it isn't related to the game
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A desperate final bump just before the last hour of voting begins.
 
Went for the Elkjaer side here as I don't see how the other tactic bemefits Del Piero in any special way. Especially Essien on left side and Scifo seems out of place.