RedCafe.net Editorial: Fighting for their futures
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Amir
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Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>I heard someone said that the only reasons giggs hasn't been contending for these awards are because of Wales' inability to perform on World stage.. performance for the club alone doesn't provide enough merits for the top awards. someone should confirm, but i'm quite certain this is correct.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't think so. However, those individual internationals do seem to dictate people's mind more, probably because they are awfully more rare than a league or a CL match.
the FIFA trophy is given out by votes of the national teams coaches, so obviously they are more interest in international than club football.
Originally posted by Amir:
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I don't think so. However, those individual internationals do seem to dictate people's mind more, probably because they are awfully more rare than a league or a CL match.
the FIFA trophy is given out by votes of the national teams coaches, so obviously they are more interest in international than club football.</strong><hr></blockquote>
is the European award also given by international managers? coz if it's voted by club managers i'm sure giggs would have been atleast in the top 3 5 out of the last 10 times.
dixie
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One of the best articles I've ever read on Man Utd.Good to see that everyone agrees with it aswell.
The team is full of spoilt babies who expect success rather than desire it.
The lack of hunger is embarrassing.
The team is full of spoilt babies who expect success rather than desire it.
The lack of hunger is embarrassing.
Geff
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at the end of the day its frustrating and hard to know just how bad things are , if we had a full squad to choose from everyone fit and we were still in this position, ie creating very little and defending like clowns at times then id be more worried, its unfortunate weve had so many players missing at times. If/when we get our full strength team out and still look like struggling against your boltons, west hams ect then id say its a rebuild thats well needed...
on a side note Bartez is a feckin liabillty, as i said before we bought the bruce grobbelar inpersonator , ferdinands not settled yet and veron well im sorry i dont belive his heart is at united or hes trying to hard, but if hes worth 28 million then Ralphy Milne is priceless..!!!!!!!!!!
on a side note Bartez is a feckin liabillty, as i said before we bought the bruce grobbelar inpersonator , ferdinands not settled yet and veron well im sorry i dont belive his heart is at united or hes trying to hard, but if hes worth 28 million then Ralphy Milne is priceless..!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Geff:
<strong>at the end of the day its frustrating and hard to know just how bad things are , if we had a full squad to choose from everyone fit and we were still in this position, ie creating very little and defending like clowns at times then id be more worried, its unfortunate weve had so many players missing at times. If/when we get our full strength team out and still look like struggling against your boltons, west hams ect then id say its a rebuild thats well needed...
on a side note Bartez is a feckin liabillty, as i said before we bought the bruce grobbelar inpersonator , ferdinands not settled yet and veron well im sorry i dont belive his heart is at united or hes trying to hard, but if hes worth 28 million then Ralphy Milne is priceless..!!!!!!!!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
you ARE right. Ralphy Milne IS price-LESS.
don't be a dipper. Veron has been intrumental in our CL games, without him i don't think we would have survived the first group stage because of all the injuries we were suffering from. He's been one of the fittest so far this season, i think it's a blessing in disguise.
how can barthez be a liability when we have lost the least goals in the EPL along with Arsenal? have you seen him in the Fulham game? he saved the day for us, and on numerous more occasions he did the same. i admit his personality maybe a bit off, but he has been fine for us - not a main problem like you make it to be.
the rebuilding is needed even with all our players back. we have always done fine - not horrible - even with so many injuries.. if we weren't losing unneccessary games then i would agree with you, but we are losing stupid games for nothing at all. a draw against the shitty would have been much more acceptable. our players are not showing much desire. whatever the reason we will need to give them a kick in the butt. no need to sell players, just bring more in to compete for positions. we need squad depth as well as positions competitions to boost our form.
Geff
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competition for places would greatly help, there is complacency (spellin?). But ill stick by my guns on Bartez, he does do great things he also does awfull things and all in the comfines of 1 game hes so inconsistant it spreads to the defenders (ie GNev against city)... im sorry i know weve been spoilt by schmikes but there are still a good 5-6 keepers within the premiership id have over bartez to me that speaks volumes .... the guy costs us IMO...
Geff
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remember who weve played in the CL so far, if he performs in the next group stage fair play, i wont hold my breath
Mush
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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he is certainly among the all time greats.. but hasn't been consistant because of his injuries.. Best failed to continue his legacy, but he's still a legend isn't he?
Giggs' performance in the last two years should not cloud the fans from his true ability and how much he gave to us up until '99.. his gameplan has certainly changed to accomodate his injuries, but it shouldn't affect our thinking about his capability.. personally i'd like to see him keep fit 60 games a year rather than taking on fullbacks then getting injured every 5 games. hopefully he'll get used to this style of play and produce something before it's too late..
It's a pity he isn't stronger, but that's life.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Mush
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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he is certainly among the all time greats.. but hasn't been consistant because of his injuries.. Best failed to continue his legacy, but he's still a legend isn't he?
George Best won European Player of The Year 1968 without ever doing anything with Northern Ireland, so Giggs' achievements with Wales would not affect his chances of the honour
Giggs' performance in the last two years should not cloud the fans from his true ability and how much he gave to us up until '99.. his gameplan has certainly changed to accomodate his injuries, but it shouldn't affect our thinking about his capability.. personally i'd like to see him keep fit 60 games a year rather than taking on fullbacks then getting injured every 5 games. hopefully he'll get used to this style of play and produce something before it's too late..
If you think taking on full back's is gonna get him injured you're on another planet. He no longer runs at full pelt to avoid his hamstring injuries, however he does still manage to take players on in a central position from time to time. So it can be done.
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Originally posted by Mush:
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George Best won European Player of The Year 1968 without ever doing anything with Northern Ireland, so Giggs' achievements with Wales would not affect his chances of the honour
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This i have to agree. i honestly don't know why Giggs has never been at the helm. it's quite possible that it maybe because of the upcoming of Zindane, Figo, Ronaldo at the same time Giggs was at his peak.
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If you think taking on full back's is gonna get him injured you're on another planet. He no longer runs at full pelt to avoid his hamstring injuries, however he does still manage to take players on in a central position from time to time. So it can be done.
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of coz it can be done.. but he hasn't been doing much in the center either.. he has run with the ball, but not so much past defenders.. the risk of getting fouled is probably too great..
and he has had a lot of problems with his hamstring. i don't play football professionally, but i do know that you get hamstring problems from bursting into full speed. look at the way him go with the ball i'm not surprised he gets injured so often. and this i think contribute to his lacking of productivity in that area.
Originally posted by Geff:
<strong>remember who weve played in the CL so far, if he performs in the next group stage fair play, i wont hold my breath</strong><hr></blockquote>
Barthez will come through.. i have confidence in that anyway.
it really would not be a joke if he didn't. i really doubt ricardo can fill in barthez' full time and neither can roy caroll. if barthez does fall out of form again later in this season then we will be doomed and will go two trophyless seasons for the first time in 10 years. not a joke.
Rams
aspiring to be like Ryan Giggs
Unless suddenly a crop of youth players emerge I cant see any major changes happening for the time being.
If United are to unload 3 or 4 players they'll be looking to replace them with at least 4 equal quality players. But the transfer market is totaly flat and the clubs are asking rediculous amounts of money......
If United are to unload 3 or 4 players they'll be looking to replace them with at least 4 equal quality players. But the transfer market is totaly flat and the clubs are asking rediculous amounts of money......
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