Well Sachin averages 57 against Australia (McGrath) and has hit 11 centuries against the Aussies, more than any other nation he has played against.
RedCafe Cricket Draft QF- Ha_rooney vs Red-Indian
- Thread starter KM
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Went RI. Very close though.
Being slightly selective in your responses there I see.
Sachin's played Australia in 35 matches but due his career being a lot longer and McGrath's injury issues during a phase, he's only played against McGrath in 9 matches and been dismissed by him 6 times. He's played against him more often in ODIs and McGrath's dismissed him 7 times in 23 games. The highest ratio of any bowler who's played more than 10 games against him. If Sachin has a kryptonite, it's McGrath.
I'm not being selective, I found his average against Australia and posted it. No different to you posting Sehwag's averages. Facht.
By the way, i'm voting so I can look at the stats simply instead of having to click on results. Go ahead an do it yourself.
I'm counting Aldo in mine. This is fun...though you're well in the lead.
I'm counting Aldo in mine. This is fun...though you're well in the lead.
I am surprised actually. I think Sachin + Warne are swinging for a lot of people. Sachin being flanked by two very good batsmen is also proving to be crucial it seems.
A general question - Are we supposed to be give weightage to the venue or not?
One more try to convince people who think my batting's worse than harooney's
Here's my comparison
Smith > Langer
Sehwag >> Trescothick
Lamb < Richie
Silva << Tendulkar
Clarke = DeVilliers
McMillan = Tillekaratne
Dujon > Razzak
It doesn't always work man to man but given this and my (to me) clear bowling superiority, I think I have the better team.
Here's my comparison
Smith > Langer
Sehwag >> Trescothick
Lamb < Richie
Silva << Tendulkar
Clarke = DeVilliers
McMillan = Tillekaratne
Dujon > Razzak
It doesn't always work man to man but given this and my (to me) clear bowling superiority, I think I have the better team.
No idea. But I don't think anyone's planned their team that way and it wouldn't be fair I guess.
KM can decide.
McGrath and Murali are perhaps two bowlers who can claim to have had better of Sachin. But with McGrath it was 55/45 to him. There were plenty of occasions when he was flayed by Sachin for boundaries all over the park both in tests and ODIs. Also worth noting India had a weak opening pair which almost every time exposed Sachin to Mcgrath with a new ball. He should have and plenty of times did still cope but in a better team he would have had it easier. Lara faced the same problem and suffered even more against McGrath.
In the end I have gone with RI here. Sachin and Warne are easily the two best players involved in this draft so was very tempting to vote for ha_rooney. But I think lack of top quality seam bowling will hurt him a lot against that opening pair. In a 5 test series, at least twice one of the two will take the game away from him. His middle order is definitely good enough to stand any number of bowlers RI may throw at him but on the balance RI just edges it.
Mcmillan is not equal to Tilakeratne when it comes to batting. I also think Devillers is better than Clarke. I think you are lucky ha_rooney does not someone like Steyn to account for Sehwag because that middle order is prone to be gobbled up by Warne.
Thanks Crappy...thats a decent summary. Obviously i'm exaggerating for fun and the margins are a lot thinner than I make out but I really think my superior balance between bat and ball and much better quality keeper would edge it over harooney's slightly overloaded batting.
I see harooney's voted. So I make that 6-4 (counting Aldo's vote). Lets hope a few more come in and we get atleast 20 votes.
I see harooney's voted. So I make that 6-4 (counting Aldo's vote). Lets hope a few more come in and we get atleast 20 votes.
You really think Tillekaratne was better than McMillan? They both played at 6. Tillekaratne's average is 43 to McMillan's 40 but Tillekaratne's played a lot of his innings on Lanka's flat tracks.
DeVilliers being better than Clarke is a matter of opinion. Their averages are dead level. Maybe you have the feeling and I won't attempt to persuade you against it but I struggle to understand why you feel that.
Aravinda and Clarke are excellent players of spin. Clarke's average in India is 49 and in Lanka is 62. Warne's not going to scare them.
Aravinda;s average in India is about 22.
I hate Clarke ever since that Syden debacle so that does cloud my judgement but I do genuinely think De Villers is the better bat irrespective of the stats. I also am pretty sure he will prove it in coming years, he is averaging above 60 since 2008, just hope this keeping experiment does not prove to be a horror.
Aravinda;s average in India is about 22.
I hate Clarke ever since that Syden debacle so that does cloud my judgement but I do genuinely think De Villers is the better bat irrespective of the stats. I also am pretty sure he will prove it in coming years, he is averaging above 60 since 2008, just hope this keeping experiment does not prove to be a horror.
Thats clever Crappy but tracks in Sri Lanka spin as much as they do in India and he's got an average of 52 there. Aravinda knows Warne. He's played him in 8 matches - 16 innings and has only been dismissed 3 times by him. Aravinda's nemesis if anything was Kumble. I don't think I have to worry about my middle order Vs. Warne.
As far as AB's recent averages are concerned, players go through these phases. Clarke's average through 2006-2009 was 59. I thought he would rival Ponting and he still might. We'll have to see who ends up with the bigger reputation when its all done but it'll be slode.
Yeah but that's the thing Clarke dropped off, though he is making a comeback now as a captain. De Villiers may as well drop off due to this keeping thing or he may not. Likes of Lara, Sachin, Waugh never had blips that listed more than a year at best.
Do you really want me to dig up the stats on Lara, Sachin and Waugh's blips? They had them I assure you. In any case, I don't know if either Clarke or AB will climb into the firmament with those greats. I think they'll stop a level lower.
FYI - Clarke's average over the last 2 years is 61. Better than AB's 58.
Been mulling this over a bit today. McGrath as RI's premier fast bowler and a proven WK at test level who's not too far up the order JUST swings it for me. harooney has a great middle order, RI has better opening batsmen though and his middle order is good enough.
This is close. 7-6 counting Aldo's vote.
And could get closer. 17-20 people vote normally. I can think of a few participants who haven't voted yet - Interval, Stretch, Donadol, Zen.
I hope they do. It would be a pity for the first QF to be decided on the lowest vote count we've had yet.
I hope they do. It would be a pity for the first QF to be decided on the lowest vote count we've had yet.
Can some one just promote the poor fecker.
7-7 now... mmmm
Sorry for delaying this a bit, but I'd analysed and made my decision yesterday...I'm going with RI. harooney's team seems to lack that added punch,while in comparison RI's team offers a lot more. There's not much else I can say because this really is about how I played the teams mentally in my head...close one. Smith as captain, McGrath and Kumble as his strike bowlers, Sehwag as the opener just stick out.
RI's team is not the best in the draft though, even though he might like to believe that
RI's team is not the best in the draft though, even though he might like to believe that
RI's leading now.
Opening bat: RI>HR (by 1 point only since HR’s opening is steady too)
Middle Order: HR>RI (by 2 points)
Lower Order: HR>RI (by 1 point)
Tail enders: Honours even
Bowling strength: RI>HR (by 1 point)
Depth: RI>HR (by 1 point)
Wicketkeeper (-1 for HR)
Overall balance RI>HR (HR is too top heavy)
Don't take the points too seriously. It was just an overall guideline since I have weighted the various criteria.
Middle Order: HR>RI (by 2 points)
Lower Order: HR>RI (by 1 point)
Tail enders: Honours even
Bowling strength: RI>HR (by 1 point)
Depth: RI>HR (by 1 point)
Wicketkeeper (-1 for HR)
Overall balance RI>HR (HR is too top heavy)
Don't take the points too seriously. It was just an overall guideline since I have weighted the various criteria.
Thanks IL. Thats a complicated system you have...with weights et al.
Nice feeling going to bed 6-7 behind and waking up to 9-7 ahead. Still a vote or two to come hopefully so this could have yet another twist in the tail.
Nice feeling going to bed 6-7 behind and waking up to 9-7 ahead. Still a vote or two to come hopefully so this could have yet another twist in the tail.
Not that complicated. Just modified it enough to ensure bowling and batting have equal weights.
1 vote in it, I think you'll hold on RI. Have all the participants voted?
Couple left i think but only 20 mins to go.
Edit - bloody hell. Not a single non-participant voted for me! You got 4 of them. Food for thought if i do go on to the next round.
Edit - bloody hell. Not a single non-participant voted for me! You got 4 of them. Food for thought if i do go on to the next round.
If this were actually being played, the situation would be half an hour's play left say 5 overs. 10 runs to get. Big Mac's at one end and Kumble's grittily holding on at the other. Warne's putting the ball in the rough spots and getting it to turn.
Can we take it to the end?
Can we take it to the end?
Good game RI. Enjoyed the debate we had yesterday and it's disappointing to lose by 1 vote. Although, I claim the moral victory!
Edit: none of the other remaining participants voted for me. Conspiracy!
And Big Mac drives for four to win it for the Bastards...you beauty!
Great game harooney. We've set a high bar for the quarters. Hopefully the rest live up to it.
Now Tendulkar or Warne? Its like Sophie's Choice. The decision is going to scar me for life.
Great game harooney. We've set a high bar for the quarters. Hopefully the rest live up to it.
Now Tendulkar or Warne? Its like Sophie's Choice. The decision is going to scar me for life.
It's an obvious choice IMO, your middle order is your weak point while Kumble is a very good spinner.
Either way you will have one of the greats of the modern era no longer in the draw.
Either way you will have one of the greats of the modern era no longer in the draw.
You've got Kumble, so there's no reason to go for Warne.
Yeah Sachin. It's a shame to see Warne go out of the draft but you already have Kumble, like Omar said. Could have used a genuine quality quickie but nothing HR has is that much better than you.
Yeah but Warne's such a fecking winner.
I won't decide right away. Probably wait to see who my next opponent is going to be.
You're right that I could've used one more quality quick but as you'd have guessed from my posts in this thread, none of harooney's appeal to me in the slightest.
Anyway looking forward to the next one now. I don't remember anything about their teams except Sanga and Donald in Donadol's and Akram and Chanderpaul in Interval's.
I won't decide right away. Probably wait to see who my next opponent is going to be.
You're right that I could've used one more quality quick but as you'd have guessed from my posts in this thread, none of harooney's appeal to me in the slightest.
Anyway looking forward to the next one now. I don't remember anything about their teams except Sanga and Donald in Donadol's and Akram and Chanderpaul in Interval's.
Yikes! Sorry HR. RI, what do I get for casting your win vote? If I'd gone for HR, you'd be history.
Best match we've had this far.
Best match we've had this far.
You put this in the Quick Reply box instead of the PM box?
I'll let you bask in my glory once i've won it all. I might even deign to take Akram off you if we meet in the semis so you can rejoice that in some small way you've contributed to greatness.
I'll let you bask in my glory once i've won it all. I might even deign to take Akram off you if we meet in the semis so you can rejoice that in some small way you've contributed to greatness.
I missed this one unfortunately. However, I am back online again. This was mighty close.
Look who's back from the bush. You're right that it was an awfully close game...and a bit of an eye-opener. You get a bit blinkered about your own team. To be honest, there was no way I could see harooney's team beating mine in a series. Obviously though, if so many disagreed, I was being a bit of an idiot.
Just for the kicks, which way would you have voted?
Just for the kicks, which way would you have voted?