The feck? I looked at this and thought "easy win for Isotope". I look at the voting and he is getting smashed! What am I missing?
Redafe Champions League Draft - kps v Isotope
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You don't half not get a hint, do you?
Losing your place to Evra is no massive indictment on a player and Argentina's defence has been shite for ages Heinze or no Heinze.
kps makes a good point that he is a reasonably competent defender, you have to target what makes him a liability: going down easy and leaving his man in possession and on the loose (thus dragging Kohler out to stop that advance, which is where you want Kohler, not in the box guarding Eto'o!).
Is Boban the best man to exploit that?
Try putting Ribery on the right.
Are you kidding me? I'm telling you Boban is key to your midfield and that you need to overcome the fact that people do indeed not rate him as highly as I do.
I did suggest he is not your best man to tear a new one into Heinze. That is not underrating Boban, horses for courses. You have better horses.
Christ, that is more explicit than saying "Curtains" at EDogen!
Heinze was solid as feck for United until he missed pretty much a whole season through injury and came back not the same player, and with Evra to displace. Watched him live a few times and he always won his individual battle, winning every 50:50 tackle or aerial duel. I see him as a very strong fullback when considering him at his best.
Before anyone complains, "miserable Roman" is a reference to a running joke in Argentina about Riquelme always looking miserable and constantly having personal problems, arguments with Boca management, retiring, coming back, then retiring again... It was a regular TV show question now etched in popular culture "Riquelme, are you happy?", and Riquelme invariably answering "Yes, I'm happy" and looking like someone just stamped on his bollocks.
Someone latched onto it and actually made an ad campaign entirely based on Riquelme looking his usual miserable self but eventually drawing a smile from him when he used their products...
See below, the miserable feck is playing to that persona now and making a ton of money out of it
I love the draft games because of stories like that. Thanks for sharing.
I like strikers a la Villa, Lopez and Forlan playing on the left, particularly with the correct full backs.
I'd go:
------------Eto'o------------
---Forlan Boban Ribery---
Boban would help beast your midfield up too, really exert control and Riquelme will start to struggle IMO.
I'd go:
------------Eto'o------------
---Forlan Boban Ribery---
Boban would help beast your midfield up too, really exert control and Riquelme will start to struggle IMO.
Bang on Fergus, that's what I've been going on about.
He shuts out the midfield control with Boban in the middle of the park (main reason why I wasn't keen on Valerón there).
Ribery is best suited to challenge Heinze and unsettle Kohler.
Forlán is exactly where he should be to get the best out of him and keeps Cambiasso, Costacurta and Salgado trying to work out who the feck is meant to be onto him, while Coentrao is providing width on that flank anyway.
He shuts out the midfield control with Boban in the middle of the park (main reason why I wasn't keen on Valerón there).
Ribery is best suited to challenge Heinze and unsettle Kohler.
Forlán is exactly where he should be to get the best out of him and keeps Cambiasso, Costacurta and Salgado trying to work out who the feck is meant to be onto him, while Coentrao is providing width on that flank anyway.
I mistakenly voted for kps. Can I change my vote to isotope?
We will remember to consider your vote in case the match is decided by a difference of 1 vote. Looks unlikely.
I don't think you can. We will just have to keep an eye on the final scoreline. kps would need three clear votes to win. With two it would be a draw (-1 for him and +1 for iso).
Difference of two votes = draw
Well, I'll just go with extreme midfield control; and see how their players will catch up.
Even better 
Boban is something else.
Boban is something else.Extreme midfield control won't claw back a 9 vote advantage. You need to score and just got rid of arguably your most prolific goalscorer. Nuts.
Blimey, thought Iso would be ahead in this one with a quick glance at the teams.
Agree, Valeron should be playing behind the striker, his natural position. Iso has a number of quality midfielders, it's a case of getting them in the team.
Eto'o?
Well, he seems to be mounting a comeback. He's gone from 13-1 or 13-2 to 15-5...
The teamsheet hasn't been updated on the op though so I wonder what the basis for those votes was...
IL/Feeky/Wittmann, care to tell which of the two you had in mind, before or after? Or happy with both, I guess.
I have to say I find it really odd how NM and Feeky are surpirsed Iso isn't ahead. He shouldn't be so far behind, but what is it exactly from those quick glances at the teamsheets that screams ISO at you?
The teamsheet hasn't been updated on the op though so I wonder what the basis for those votes was...
IL/Feeky/Wittmann, care to tell which of the two you had in mind, before or after? Or happy with both, I guess.
I have to say I find it really odd how NM and Feeky are surpirsed Iso isn't ahead. He shouldn't be so far behind, but what is it exactly from those quick glances at the teamsheets that screams ISO at you?
It certainly was Eto'o that made it "arguable", who else?
Peak form records are comparable. Eto'o played for a vastly superior team and, in this game in particular, Forlán's threat from long range was bound to be very handy as Eto'o faces an excellent centreback pair. I reckon he's got rid of ~40% of his overall goalscoring threat right there.
I voted on basis of the team provided on#53. Is that a wrong thing to do? I figured that as soon as a person posts a team line up picture, he is indicating a team change. Valeron with Eto'o making runs seems tasty. Plus I rate bam bam Cambell quite high
By no means, you should vote on the entirety of how he started and what changes he makes, whether updated or not.
I wondered if the changes were helping him. So far we can say they worked with you based on your reasons.
Seems TheGame would be appreciating that change as well once he reads up.
I wondered if the changes were helping him. So far we can say they worked with you based on your reasons.
Seems TheGame would be appreciating that change as well once he reads up.
No that's fine. Although Davids and Cambiasso will eat Valeron for breakfast
I don't get people who wait too long to place their vote though. It's almost as if you're willing to completely forget the first lineup as long as the second one is good.
I don't get people who wait too long to place their vote though. It's almost as if you're willing to completely forget the first lineup as long as the second one is good.
Tbf, I was going to vote for you. I'm a big big Riquelme and Kohler fan. But that changes worked for me. As far as Davids and Cambiasso getting to Valeron goes, I can argue that he has Redondo marking Riquelme. And Riquelme had 2 major weaknesses which makes your team worse. For one, he needed team play to be based round him and two, he could be marked out of the game. Put Gatusso or Redondo on him and he'd be non existent. As much as I love the player, he really struggled with quality man marking.No that's fine. Although Davids and Cambiasso will eat Valeron for breakfast
I don't get people who wait too long to place their vote though. It's almost as if you're willing to completely forget the first lineup as long as the second one is good.
Bayern has a donkey upfront. Dortmund has only one experience striker and a rookie as their goal threat. And seems like Barca are doing fine with it. I love Forlan as the next man (as you can see, I put him on my first formation), but seems like not many voters rate him. I still think Forlan and Eto'o duo (at their peak) would run havoc at any defence any can put.
I'm voting for Isotope. It seems to me like kps has too much riding on Riquelme. If he's marked out of the game, there's no one to get the ball to the dangerous front 3. Neither Davids nor Cambiasso are good distributors.
For Isotope, even if Valeron's marked out of the game, Redondo is an excellent distributor from deep.
For Isotope, even if Valeron's marked out of the game, Redondo is an excellent distributor from deep.
6 votes in it, this could be memorable!
Doing fine. Pop in every now and then though I rarely post.
Thanks, RI. Any sympathy votes are welcome.
Worried you are now 15-8? That's quite a comeback he is mounting.
The voting lasts 24 hours. He made that change before he even got to the 20th minute or so.
Early votes are needed to gage how things are going and enough people will vote purely on thinking one side is clearly superior and there's no chance it will change.
In this game, I reckon there was more than the starting lineups to it and wanted to see the twists and turns along the way.
I told you the moment you got him that Riquelme was a double-edged sword. As it stands, Redondo stops Riquelme and you stop being fluid and start relying on isolated efforts.
Well, it could, if you bastard would vote for me
Haha! Sorry man, couldn't. Was leaning towards Kp anyway and when you took off Forlan and refused to target Heinze it was the final straw. You do have midfield control (would've been better if you started that way) but your threat is diminished IMO, particulary against that pair of CBs.
Am I right in thinking you can't bring Forlan back on?I remember Brwned making trial substitutions
. I think you might've changed personelle of early.Nah, don't remind them, it's a lot more fun when everyone forgets and starts celebrating the wrong result. Remember my Mourinho poking Tito's eye game?
It was really evil, I didn't mean it that way but knew being behind always helps with borderline votes so why bring up Tito had three invalid votes?
It was really evil, I didn't mean it that way but knew being behind always helps with borderline votes so why bring up Tito had three invalid votes?
The Kily-Heinze left side is a big weakness for kps, IMO.
Just my opinion. The first lineups are the ones that require most thought since they are done blind and based on trying to analyse your opponent's strengths/weaknesses. It's easy to make changes after that based on what people are screaming at you to do.
Anyway I find this idea that Davids and Cambiasso are incapable of doing anything with the ball quite strange. If Redondo's busy man marking Riquelme, that takes him out of the game. It's one thing man marking Riquelme when he's surrounded by Villareal level players, but it's different here. Just means more space for Davids to burst forward into and more space for Ronaldo to drift inside. People are underrating Cambiasso's passing ability as well. He has played a more creative role for Argentina in the past, he's more than capable of picking out the wide men with a pass.
Anyway I find this idea that Davids and Cambiasso are incapable of doing anything with the ball quite strange. If Redondo's busy man marking Riquelme, that takes him out of the game. It's one thing man marking Riquelme when he's surrounded by Villareal level players, but it's different here. Just means more space for Davids to burst forward into and more space for Ronaldo to drift inside. People are underrating Cambiasso's passing ability as well. He has played a more creative role for Argentina in the past, he's more than capable of picking out the wide men with a pass.
Kohler-Costacurta could take this team a long long way.
Am I right in thinking you can't bring Forlan back on?I remember Brwned making trial substitutions
No, he can't, which is my dilemma here. I could see him winning this if he played it right and I can see him controlling the game but he has lost so much firepower...
Brwned's trial subs were really dodgy!
No chance he can do it here as many seem to have voted based on the change, although the op is still not updated.Iso, you should PM Theon with that.