Reasons for positivity

Can we please not unravel after every loss ?

It was just one game. Arsenal lost to Villa this time around last season for crying out loud and everyone predicted Tottenham would finish higher than them. One signing of Ozil on deadline day and they were on course to winning the title until injuries struck key players Ramsey and Walcott. United in comparison are still missing Van Persie, Carrick, Welbeck, Rafael, Shaw, Evans, Valencia.

Atleast wait till the transfer window shuts and Van Gaal embeds his philosophy..
 
This defeat might not necessarily be the worst thing. We've won every game of pre-season despite obvious problems in our play, perhaps a jolt back down to Earth is what the players need.

This will give van Gaal a good opportunity to analyse the problems and show the players what they should be doing instead. It's just a shame that an opportunity for improvement such as this comes now, rather than in pre-season.
 
Godfather said:
Oh nice.
Still good to see guys having the attitude that got us were we were last year and look to be now as well.
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Godfather said:
Let the deluded ones talk themselves everything rosy and beautiful.
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What in the actual feck? you are literally holding me responsible for our current state. This is the kind of madness I was talking about.I have been a united fan long enough but never has there been so much hysteria over transfers than it has been over the last 2 seasons. Going ape shit crazy does not get you new players.I am bored of this new direction we are heading towards with big money signings, we already spent 40mill for Mata(who looked clueless against swasea),28mill on fellaini,Kagawa is still yet to prove himself along with the new signings.So, excuse me for not wanting to take massive financial risks by splurging instead of wanting to do something we have done in the past(put faith in younger players).
 
Antisocial said:
These are about all I can come up with.

I do fear for how long LVG will what to stick around with the club being as it is, but I'm more fearful of the likes of De Gea, Mata and RVP wanting out soon as a footballers' career is so short.
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I ain't worry if Mata and RVP are wanting out. Obviously RVP will stay this season so if he leaves next season, it doesn't matter. He's not getting any younger anymore.
Mata is out so be it but we want the money and use it for quality wingers or centre midfield. The fact we stuck with 352 in pre season was due of bloody too much no 10.
I will be worry too much if DDG wanting out. He's one of the best GK. And historically, it's never be easy for us to find a great GK who can play great for us.
 
entropy said:
What in the actual feck? you are literally holding me responsible for our current state. This is the kind of madness I was talking about.I have been a united fan long enough but never has there been so much hysteria over transfers than it has been over the last 2 seasons. Going ape shit crazy does not get you new players.I am bored of this new direction we are heading towards with big money signings, we already spent 40mill for Mata(who looked clueless against swasea),28mill on fellaini,Kagawa is still yet to prove himself along with the new signings.So, excuse me for not wanting to take massive financial risks by splurging instead of wanting to do something we have done in the past(put faith in younger players).
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Kagawa was pretty cheap, but I still agree with the spirit of your post.
 
For the next few years, I'll be able to take advantage of 'Orange/EE Wednesday' 2 for 1 cinema tickets without the 'inconvenience' of the Champions League.
 
LVG will seem very reactionary and borderline clueless if he ditches the format ion now. I suspect we will plod on for a while with no real wide threat.
 
Freak said:
Screw positivity. I'm furious at our lack of activity in the transfer window despite some very obvious needs.
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Agreed. We need to invest, and we haven't. We've got the money, but Woody and the Glazers aren't spending.
 
The last time we lost our opening home game was 92 against Everton, the following twenty years turned out pretty well
 
entropy said:
What in the actual feck? you are literally holding me responsible for our current state. This is the kind of madness I was talking about.I have been a united fan long enough but never has there been so much hysteria over transfers than it has been over the last 2 seasons. Going ape shit crazy does not get you new players.I am bored of this new direction we are heading towards with big money signings, we already spent 40mill for Mata(who looked clueless against swasea),28mill on fellaini,Kagawa is still yet to prove himself along with the new signings.So, excuse me for not wanting to take massive financial risks by splurging instead of wanting to do something we have done in the past(put faith in younger players).
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Youth can only be trusted if they have quality around them. And not if they are asked to boil the whole freqking team out. We need quality reinforcement and the right one.
I agree with you about Mata and Fellaini, not so much as to what they cost us, but because they were the wrong purchases AND cost a shitload of money.

Don't get me wrong I'm all for giving youth a chance but only in an environment that allows us to play them. After our 7th place last season and losing so many players it was only natural many of us expected some serious reinforcement. Herrera and Shaw were only first steps and our current squad may not be able to reach the CL spots yet again. The competition is getting bigger and bigger so we are not allowed rest on our laurels.

And what financial risks are you talking about and why are you worried about it? Players like Benatia, Vidal and Di Maria are no risks.
The only risk is doing feck all these last 2 Weeks and somehow expect this squad to work wonders
 
Godfather said:
Youth can only be trusted if they have quality around them. And not if they are asked to boil the whole freqking team out. We need quality reinforcement and the right one.
I agree with you about Mata and Fellaini, not so much as to what they cost us, but because they were the wrong purchases AND cost a shitload of money.

Don't get me wrong I'm all for giving youth a chance but only in an environment that allows us to play them. After our 7th place last season and losing so many players it was only natural many of us expected some serious reinforcement. Herrera and Shaw were only first steps and our current squad may not be able to reach the CL spots yet again. The competition is getting bigger and bigger so we are not allowed rest on our laurels.

And what financial risks are you talking about and why are you worried about it? Players like Benatia, Vidal and Di Maria are no risks.
The only risk is doing feck all these last 2 Weeks and somehow expect this squad to work wonders
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Exactly.

We going to do more damage by not signing world class players rather than haggling over £5m in the long run.

Clubs won't sell world class players cheaply and we need to pay a good price.
 
Feed Me said:
We've had poor windows in the past, true, but we could always console ourselves with the fact that we still had a class squad in place. We're now in a position where we lack depth and quality.

I don't think it's impatient to be annoyed that we've signed the least players in the league after a woeful season last time. We should have been quick out the blocks this summer.
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I completely agree with this. There was a lot of talk in the media after the game that the Man United team didn't strike fear into the opposition like it used to it. It's true. Even with our injured players available we still look a slightly better than average side.

I'm assuming with all our injured players back this would be our first team:

De Gea
Jones Smalling Evans
Rafael Herrera Carrick Shaw
Mata
Rooney RVP

Other than Rooney RVP and Mata I can't see any other players striking fear into an opposition.

With the season we had last year we all expected the club to sign some quality players to get back to where we belong. So I can see why everyone is frustrated with the transfer activity.
 
the positive is that this isn't Moyes having the full squad available and producing appalling results.

This is Van Gaal with 7 players out, of which at least 4 would have waltzed into that team yesterday.
Better manager, and the hope better players are on way.

Clinging onto Arsenal losing to Villa at home first game last season, and then leading the league for months, to show that one defeat isn't the end of the world.
 
-We still have RAWK to laugh at...

-Blackett looked commanding and put in a good display in a poor defense. He made a mistake for the second goal but he is still raw and will become better with experience

-Januzaj looks a terrific prospect

-Hopefully the management realises we can't just shoehorn two 29 year old has-been wingers into the wing/full-back position and get away with it from a defensive perspective. Their concentration and positioning will always be suspect and they will struggle horribly against some of the finer wingers in the league. Genuine specialist cover for Shaw and the injury prone Rafael wouldn't go amiss. Do we seriously need to resort to playing Smalling, Young and Valencia in these positions? I hope not. It is detrimental to the player/team in the long-term and is just a stop-gap solution. Don't forget we are in the middle of the transfer period and we can actually remedy these problems while shipping out the deadwood instead of trying to find roles for them within the team...

-This defeat will hopefully spur Ed into action in the transfer market just like Arsenal's first defeat did last season

-Hopefully, this means a defender who is comfortable on the ball and a midfielder who can play. This would improve our game tremendously and help our forwards as well. Mata, Rooney and Hernandez were disappointing yesterday due to the lack of service from deep and they are not the type of players who can get the ball dribble past 4 players and put it in the top corner. They are good players in a good system which obviously entails that they have a good midfield behind them. Herrera is a fine player but he is still settling in and it was obvious why Swansea were repeatedly targeting him. He is our only player from the deep who can effectively carry the ball whilst being able to link up the defence and attack with his pass-move game.

-RVP will return soon enough and will improve us considerably.

-We still have an experienced and quality manager in LVG who is more than capable of bringing us out of this mess (provided Ed does his job)

I know there are a lot of hypotheticals in there but it is painfully obvious what we need. At least, perhaps its a good thing we have been exposed this early.
 
The only saving grace is LVG. The only other thing other than signings we can hope for is we are fecking due a season without massive injuries. Without injuries and not playing twice a weak our first team should be fit and decent enough to at least put some form of challenge for the top 4. But United with no injury problems is unimaginable right now.
 
Godfather said:
Youth can only be trusted if they have quality around them. And not if they are asked to boil the whole freqking team out. We need quality reinforcement and the right one.
I agree with you about Mata and Fellaini, not so much as to what they cost us, but because they were the wrong purchases AND cost a shitload of money.

Don't get me wrong I'm all for giving youth a chance but only in an environment that allows us to play them. After our 7th place last season and losing so many players it was only natural many of us expected some serious reinforcement. Herrera and Shaw were only first steps and our current squad may not be able to reach the CL spots yet again. The competition is getting bigger and bigger so we are not allowed rest on our laurels.

And what financial risks are you talking about and why are you worried about it? Players like Benatia, Vidal and Di Maria are no risks.
The only risk is doing feck all these last 2 Weeks and somehow expect this squad to work wonders
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When we have a manager who likes giving young players a chance, why not play to that advantage? Few posters have pointed out about throwing inexperienced young players into the deep but that is just stupid thing to say.We are not arsenal, be it LVG or fergie they knew exactly when a player is ready to get a first team game and it always does not end up being a disaster. Every big money signings comes with the added burden of whether or not the manager/ceo made the right choice.We have already stacked up two signings from last year who might not fit into our style of play and this makes me very uncomfortable about who we might bring in next for a huge transfer fee. I might be wrong but maybe it will take more time for me as a fan to accept that it is ok to spend huge amounts of cash which we have never spent under fergie in just one window.
 
PSingh said:
I completely agree with this. There was a lot of talk in the media after the game that the Man United team didn't strike fear into the opposition like it used to it. It's true. Even with our injured players available we still look a slightly better than average side.

I'm assuming with all our injured players back this would be our first team:

De Gea
Jones Smalling Evans
Rafael Herrera Carrick Shaw
Mata
Rooney RVP

Other than Rooney RVP and Mata I can't see any other players striking fear into an opposition.

With the season we had last year we all expected the club to sign some quality players to get back to where we belong. So I can see why everyone is frustrated with the transfer activity.
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Not sure about including Carrick in there any more which is why a CM signing is a big MUST before 31 Aug. And possibly RVP might be getting phased out or leave in 12mnths. Other than that it's a decent young-ish XI that could hopefully win a few games, play some decent footy and has the potential to develop and to at least challenge for 4th place.

But to have a squad of 20+ to see that challenge through and play the Cup games or whatever the DF & MF departments need attention/numbers as we all know. Optimism comprises LVG, Januzaj and James Wilson atm.
 
Reasons for positivity?

Van Gaal, of course. He's the kind of coach I wanted to succeed saf and I'm still positive about what he can do with this squad.
 
Our problems go deeper than just the manager. Give it time, but we'll be back up there. Just the bigger picture really, is positive enough for me.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Januzaj and Wilson for me.
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Was about to write this.
And some other young talent than can only get better you'd think, De Gea & Shaw, to a lesser extent Smalling & Jones.
Oh and LvG, we just have to suffer through the rebuild and give him time now, we've no other choice but to endure more pain.
 
The only positivity I can find at the moment is that we don't play City or Chelsea for over 2 months and Van Gaal's changes to our play will be beginning to take effect. Because in yesterday's game, that was, to all intents and purposes; a David Moyes team performance. And it's not harsh but it is true.

The squad needs a huge investment and that's clear for everyone to see. We're supposed to be in that elite band of global footballing super powers with Real and Bayern etc. But when you ask yourself how many of our current players would get into their starting 11 the answer is 2. De Gea and Van Persie. The answer however should, should be 6 or 7 at least.
 
daniel9988 said:
Heard we're going lose around 200m from the Nike deal if we fail to get top 4 this season.
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We're bigger than the odd sponsorship deal. Obviously wouldn't be good news, but it's not like we wouldn't ever be self sufficient.
 
This forum is great and had never been better managed.
 
montpelier said:
Not sure about including Carrick in there any more which is why a CM signing is a big MUST before 31 Aug. And possibly RVP might be getting phased out or leave in 12mnths. Other than that it's a decent young-ish XI that could hopefully win a few games, play some decent footy and has the potential to develop and to at least challenge for 4th place.

But to have a squad of 20+ to see that challenge through and play the Cup games or whatever the DF & MF departments need attention/numbers as we all know. Optimism comprises LVG, Januzaj and James Wilson atm.
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I agree we need a new cm but at the moment he is still our best cm. Don't agree with your point about RVP, he's one of the few world class players we have we would be mad to try and phase him out.

Yep Januzaj and Wilson are two good prospects for the future. I also think Welbeck will do well with LVG as manager. But the squad is still some distance away from competing with the top teams in the league.
 
Invictus said:
Can we please not unravel after every loss ?

It was just one game. Arsenal lost to Villa this time around last season for crying out loud and everyone predicted Tottenham would finish higher than them. One signing of Ozil on deadline day and they were on course to winning the title until injuries struck key players Ramsey and Walcott. United in comparison are still missing Van Persie, Carrick, Welbeck, Rafael, Shaw, Evans, Valencia.

Atleast wait till the transfer window shuts and Van Gaal embeds his philosophy..
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I remember that game, soon after that Arsenal were being tipped to win the premier league!
 
daniel9988 said:
Which makes me very confused about why we are leaving it to the last two weeks to sign more players, if any? Overconfident? O
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That viewpoint would only come from the Glazers or Woody at a push, i can't see LvG thinking like that.

A bit concerning though i'll agree.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Reasons for positivity?

Van Gaal, of course. He's the kind of coach I wanted to succeed saf and I'm still positive about what he can do with this squad.
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If he'd have got the job after SAF retired I doubt we would be in the position we are in now.
 
Invictus said:
Can we please not unravel after every loss ?

It was just one game. Arsenal lost to Villa this time around last season for crying out loud and everyone predicted Tottenham would finish higher than them. One signing of Ozil on deadline day and they were on course to winning the title until injuries struck key players Ramsey and Walcott. United in comparison are still missing Van Persie, Carrick, Welbeck, Rafael, Shaw, Evans, Valencia.

Atleast wait till the transfer window shuts and Van Gaal embeds his philosophy..
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Agree with this completely. Let's at least give it 5 games and the end of the window to judge our start.
 
Stretford Red1978 said:
If he'd have got the job after SAF retired I doubt we would be in the position we are in now.
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It would be a transitional season either way. His ways are very different to what ours have been. It would however have been a much easier transition without the Moyes debacle of course.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Agree with this completely. Let's at least give it 5 games and the end of the window to judge our start.
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For me, nothing has changed . . I still think LVG will get this squad of players playing above their ability, but the question I always had was "are we taking a gamble in not getting top 4" by not adding to the squad . .

I am not panicking and actually think yesterdays result may prove to be the catalyst to speed up the pursuit of our targets. I don't think anything has changed for LVG, but I would imagine that there was a chance Woody felt a bit of a nudge to speed up things on his end . .
 
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