Reality-Monopoly Draft

antohan said:
Would be a real shame. The challenge is replacing a player now, not once you have 5 subs.

Preparing for the former influences your entire draft strategy and players you go for. The latter is a cop out.
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You'll have plenty of chances to replace players after the first round matches are done. You'll have two injuries and if you roll 2 crap boxes you're done either way. It's not like you won't lose quality players up ahead. :)

Think Edgar idea was quite good one as we have one lower tier player(the bonus one) compared to what you'd pick and we had the Skizzo's round which was as good as injury round with everyone losing a top player. You have three subs but everyone landed on crap boxes (once or twice) so not that wide of a bench either way.
 
Enigma_87 said:
You'll have plenty of chances to replace players after the first round matches are done. You'll have two injuries and if you roll 2 crap boxes you're done either way. It's not like you won't lose quality players up ahead. :)

Think Edgar idea was quite good one as we have one lower tier player(the bonus one) compared to what you'd pick and we had the Skizzo's round which was as good as injury round with everyone losing a top player. You have three subs but everyone landed on crap boxes (once or twice) so not that wide of a bench either way.
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I had a few crap boxes but didn't pick up crap players in them as far as I know.

Thing is though, your overarching logic can be "best possible XI" or "best squad and tactics to sustain eventualities".

You make different decisions.
 
antohan said:
I had a few crap boxes but didn't pick up crap players in them as far as I know.

Thing is though, your overarching logic can be "best possible XI" or "best squad and tactics to sustain eventualities".

You make different decisions.
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It really depends when you land there. For example boxes 3,7,18,20, 13, 26 - if you land there late the pool is quite short even for not so crap players in certain positions. You have an option to pick versatile players of course and most of the managers do, but you still need specialists to suit your formation and even with only 4-5 specialists in your team, whilst being full of versatile players it would be a coin toss whether you'll go through or not if you get an injury in position you can't cover(or pick a replacement), which barely has to do with the quality of drafting as you can't pick a versatile first 11 that also has to be competitive in all time draft in restricted boxes whilst minding the corner 4 boxes of eventual overlaps.

Monopoly drafts aren't 95% like the regular ones and it's more down to luck (where the fun part lies of course) and less about planning.

In the last monopoly draft I think we averaged one drop per team whereas here it's 2 with the same squad size. Looking at the teams tbh not many GOAT's lying around and not many stacked teams, which was Ed's intention from the off I think.
 
Enigma_87 said:
It really depends when you land there. For example boxes 3,7,18,20, 13, 26 - if you land there late the pool is quite short even for not so crap players in certain positions. You have an option to pick versatile players of course and most of the managers do, but you still need specialists to suit your formation and even with only 4-5 specialists in your team, whilst being full of versatile players it would be a coin toss whether you'll go through or not if you get an injury in position you can't cover(or pick a replacement), which barely has to do with the quality of drafting as you can't pick a versatile first 11 that also has to be competitive in all time draft in restricted boxes whilst minding the corner 4 boxes of eventual overlaps.

Monopoly drafts aren't 95% like the regular ones and it's more down to luck (where the fun part lies of course) and less about planning.

In the last monopoly draft I think we averaged one drop per team whereas here it's 2 with the same squad size. Looking at the teams tbh not many GOAT's lying around and not many stacked teams, which was Ed's intention from the off I think.
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That's what I've been drafting for. I have 6 unpicked players, 1 from Box 16 even after the party and Lucio only just got picked.

5 unpicked if you ignore the Futre-Heinze fork.
 
antohan said:
That's what I've been drafting for. I have 6 unpicked players, 1 from Box 16 even after the party and Lucio only just got picked.

5 unpicked if you ignore the Futre-Heinze fork.
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5 unpicked is a lot, interesting to see your team in the end. There is an AM that is bound you have picked IMO as he was available in quite a few boxes, but little to no use for us.
 
Box 28: Rival Arrival

HERE'S THE SMELLLLLLLLLLLL....OF WHAT THE ROCK....is cooking.

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He played for both Inter and Juve.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarcisio_Burgnich
 
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P-Nut - 1. Ronaldinho (9) 2. D. De Gea (13) 3. Neymar (19) 4. [DROPPED] 5. A. Sanchez (26) 6. [DROPPED] 7. G Heinze 8. D. Alli (20) 9. B. Foulkes (3) 10. Bonucci 11. Effenberg (16) 12. M. van Bommel (26) 13. R. Pires (5) 14. Hierro (10) 15. C. Azpilicueta (13)

harms - 1. [DROPPED] (10) 2. G. Donnarumma (20) 3. L. Figo (1) 4. R. Marquez (7) 5. L. Riva (12) 6. R. Giggs (18) 7. Carvajal 8. B. Robson (27) 9. V. Voronin (6) 10. [DROPPED] 11. A. Cabrini (23) 12. T. Müller (1->14) 13. R. Ayala (9) 14. M. Kaltz (12) 15. F. Toldo (16)

Tuppet - 1. M. Desailly (2) 2. J. Neeskens (9) 3. [DROPPED] 4. D. Dzajic (19) 5. Suarez (14) 6. Van Hanegem (6) 7. A. Chivadze 8. [DROPPED] 9. S. Matthews (23) 10. [DROPPED] 11. S. Busquets (14) 12. S. Kocsis (21) 13. D. Deschamps (26) 14. B. Vogts (1->6) 15. G. Banks (9)

Onenil/ctp - 1. J. Bican (D) 2. [DROPPED] 3. G. Facchetti (25) 4. H. Stoichkov (4) 5. J. Bozsik (8) 6. J. Zanetti (12) 7. D. Walker 8. [DROPPED] 9. M. Neuer (23) 10. A. Vidal (25) 11. V. Vasovic (4) 12. B. Schuster (11) 13. D. Holcer (16) 14. C. Ferrara (25) 15. D. Bergkamp (1>19)

Pat_Mustard - 1. R. Gullit (11) 2. A. Brehme (16) 3. [DROPPED] 4. P. McGrath (2) 5. Paco Gento (23) 6. [DROPPED] 7. Viv Anderson 8. S. Piola 9. C. Alberto (4) 10. I. Netto (6) 11.R. Benetti (16) 12. M. Tresor (23) 13. R. Kopa (1/16) 14. U. Fillol 15. Nani (18)

Skizzo - 1. Kaka 2. R. Dasayev 3. G. Souness 4. [DROPPED] 5. [DROPPED] 6. R van Nistelrooy (18) 7. I. Helguera 8. D. Beckham 9. Z. Czibor (9) 10. T. Zarra (13) 11. S. Marzolini 12. G. Popescu 13. Pepe (2) 14. M. Bossis (4) 15. J. Giles

mazhar13 - 1. D. Law (4) 2. U. Seeler (11) 3. P. Nedvěd (16) 4. [DROPPED] 5. [DROPPED] 6. P. Vieira (2) 7. S. Jardine 8. K.-H. Schnellinger (10) 9. G. Buffon (16) 10. D. Irwin (18) 11. Didi (25) 12. W. Schulz (1/19) 13. Joaquin (7) 14. L. Modric (15) 15. M. Asensio (20) 16. T. Burgnich (28) [finished drafting in box 28]

2mufc0 - 1. [DROPPED] 2. E. Davids (17) 3. P.R. Falcao (25) 4. Z. Ibrahimović (3) 5. [DROPPED] 6. L. Thuram (12) 7. A. Carboni 8. Gerson (23) 9. P. Evra (2) 10. Janes (8) 11. A. Hansen (16) 12. G Lato (27) 13. R. Mahrez (7) 14. [DROPPED] 15. P. Keizer (19) 16. P. Cech (14)

prath92 - 1. M. Ballack (4) 2. T. Henry (10) 3. [DROPPED] (16) 4. C. Tevez (18) 5. [DROPPED] (16) 6. P. Montero (4) 7. W. Gallas (bonus) 8. R. Carlos (9) 9. J. S. Veron (16) 10. M. Essien (26) 11. F. Collovati 12. E. Van der Sar (17) 13. F. Totti (23) 14. M. Amoros (28) 15. J. O'Shea (7) 16. W. Rooney (18) |finished drafting in box 18|

Chesterlestreet - 1. J. Masopust (6) 2. R. Baraja (13) 3. E. Cantona (18) 4. [DROPPED] (1) 5. J-P. Papin (1) 6. T. Finney (16) 7. D. Hamann 8. H. Chumpitaz (21) 9. G. Hagi (28) 10. R. Byrne (3) 11. C. Panucci (9) 12. G. Pallister (18) 13. [DROPPED] 14. D. Seaman (24) 15. P. Cocu (17) 16. A. Costacurta (23) [finished drafting in box 23]

Oaencha - 1. A. Del Piero 2. R. Lewandowski 3. S. Gerrard 4. [DROPPED] 5. S. Campbell 6. O. Dembele 7. Nelinho 8. X. Alonso 9. P. Schmeichel 10. G. Chiellini 11. [DROPPED] 12. D. Silva 13. Raúl 14. Maxwell 15. Fernandinho 16. E. Ocwirk |finished drafting in Box 4|

Moby - 1. D. Drogba (7) 2. [DROPPED] 3. A.Robben (17) 4. N. Vidic (14) 5. M. Sindelar (22) 6. R. Keane (10) 7. Sanchis 8. J. C. Valerón (13) 9. M. Tardelli (21) 10. N. Santos (27) 11. W. Suurbier (9) 12. J. Nasazzi (16) 13. [DROPPED] 14. S. Maier (21) 15. S. Mazzola (10) 16. O. Sivori (19) - |finished drafting in Box 19|

RedTiger - 1. Seedorf 2. Batistuta 3. J. Stam 4. [DROPPED] 5. F. Redondo 6. C. Gentile 7. Futre 8. L. Enrique 9. J. Tigana (28) 10. Handanovic 11. [DROPPED] 12. T. Helveg 13. S. Pearce 14. F Rivilla 15. Camacho 16. O Bergmark

NM - 1. D. Edwards (3) 2. P. Scholes (12) 3. [DROPPED] (17) 4. John Charles (24) 5. Dani Alves (1) 6. Cannavaro (4) 7. van Bronckhorst (Bonus) 8. K.H. Förster (11) 9. F. Ribery (14) 10. Sane (20) 11. Hamrin (25) 12. Diego Lopez (7) 13. Rivera (19) 14. Hughes (24) 15. Koeman (28) - |finished drafting in Box 14|

Enigma_87/Sjor - 1. [DROPPED] 2. R. Ferdinand (18) 3. [DROPPED] (26) 4. G. Mendieta (8) 5. Luis Suárez Miramontes (10) 6. K. H. Rummenigge (21) 7. J. Capdevila 8. J. Kohler (25) 9. [DROPPED] 10. D. Villa (5) 11. R. Rensenbrink (16) 12. Gerets (27) 13. A. Arbeloa (7) 14. H. Gregg 15. C. Makélélé (25) 16. M. Coluna (6)

Ecstatic/MDFC - 1. M. Laudrup (5) 2. Xavi (10) 3. O. Varela (19) 4. [DROPPED] 5. G. Bailey (1) 6. A. Shevchenko (19) 7. M. Reiziger 8. R. Krol (25) 9. Jairzinho (4) 10. L.Kubala (9) 11. D. Godin (14) 12. [DROPPED] (16) 13. Amancio Amaro (16) 14. Dunne (3) 15. Lucio (9) 16. O. Blokhin (21) - |finished drafting in Box 21|

Block list: Alfredo Di Stéfano, Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore, Cristiano Ronaldo, Daniel Passarella, Diego Maradona, Elias Figueroa, Eusébio, Ferenc Puskás, Franco Baresi, Franz Beckenbauer, Gaetano Scirea, Garrincha, George Best, Gerd Müller, Johan Cruyff, Lev Yashin, Lionel Messi, Lothar Matthäus, Luis Ronaldo, Marco van Basten, Matthias Sammer, Michel Platini, Paolo Maldini, Pelé, Rivaldo, Roberto Baggio, Romário, Zico, Zinedine Zidane

Dropped list: Frank Rijkaard, Samuel Eto'o, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Laurent Blanc, Philipp Lahm, Paul Breitner, Pietro Vierchowod, Giuseppe Bergomi, Kopke, Bixente Lizarazu, Jimmy Greaves, Mats Hummels, Alessandro Nesta, Oscar Ruggeri, Carles Puyol, Victor Valdes, A. Iniesta, Nobby Stiles, Cafu, P.Shilton, A. Cole, R. Donadoni, J. Mascherano, José Santamaría, Thiago Silva, Andrea Pirlo, Albiston, Conti, Stepney, Dino Zoff, R. Clemence, G. Bale, D. Santos, Rivellino, M. Buchan, I. Cassilas
 
No problem. @RedTiger has finished drafting as he has 14 players, could someone update the list. I'm on the phone if I do it the formatting messes up.
 
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P-Nut - 1. Ronaldinho (9) 2. D. De Gea (13) 3. Neymar (19) 4. [DROPPED] 5. A. Sanchez (26) 6. [DROPPED] 7. G Heinze 8. D. Alli (20) 9. B. Foulkes (3) 10. Bonucci 11. Effenberg (16) 12. M. van Bommel (26) 13. R. Pires (5) 14. Hierro (10) 15. C. Azpilicueta (13)

harms - 1. [DROPPED] (10) 2. G. Donnarumma (20) 3. L. Figo (1) 4. R. Marquez (7) 5. L. Riva (12) 6. R. Giggs (18) 7. Carvajal 8. B. Robson (27) 9. V. Voronin (6) 10. [DROPPED] 11. A. Cabrini (23) 12. T. Müller (1->14) 13. R. Ayala (9) 14. M. Kaltz (12) 15. F. Toldo (16)

Tuppet - 1. M. Desailly (2) 2. J. Neeskens (9) 3. [DROPPED] 4. D. Dzajic (19) 5. Suarez (14) 6. Van Hanegem (6) 7. A. Chivadze 8. [DROPPED] 9. S. Matthews (23) 10. [DROPPED] 11. S. Busquets (14) 12. S. Kocsis (21) 13. D. Deschamps (26) 14. B. Vogts (1->6) 15. G. Banks (9)

Onenil/ctp - 1. J. Bican (D) 2. [DROPPED] 3. G. Facchetti (25) 4. H. Stoichkov (4) 5. J. Bozsik (8) 6. J. Zanetti (12) 7. D. Walker 8. [DROPPED] 9. M. Neuer (23) 10. A. Vidal (25) 11. V. Vasovic (4) 12. B. Schuster (11) 13. D. Holcer (16) 14. C. Ferrara (25) 15. D. Bergkamp (1>19)

Pat_Mustard - 1. R. Gullit (11) 2. A. Brehme (16) 3. [DROPPED] 4. P. McGrath (2) 5. Paco Gento (23) 6. [DROPPED] 7. Viv Anderson 8. S. Piola 9. C. Alberto (4) 10. I. Netto (6) 11.R. Benetti (16) 12. M. Tresor (23) 13. R. Kopa (1/16) 14. U. Fillol 15. Nani (18)

Skizzo - 1. Kaka 2. R. Dasayev 3. G. Souness 4. [DROPPED] 5. [DROPPED] 6. R van Nistelrooy (18) 7. I. Helguera 8. D. Beckham 9. Z. Czibor (9) 10. T. Zarra (13) 11. S. Marzolini 12. G. Popescu 13. Pepe (2) 14. M. Bossis (4) 15. J. Giles

mazhar13 - 1. D. Law (4) 2. U. Seeler (11) 3. P. Nedvěd (16) 4. [DROPPED] 5. [DROPPED] 6. P. Vieira (2) 7. S. Jardine 8. K.-H. Schnellinger (10) 9. G. Buffon (16) 10. D. Irwin (18) 11. Didi (25) 12. W. Schulz (1/19) 13. Joaquin (7) 14. L. Modric (15) 15. M. Asensio (20) 16. T. Burgnich (28) - [finished drafting in Box 28]

2mufc0 - 1. [DROPPED] 2. E. Davids (17) 3. P.R. Falcao (25) 4. Z. Ibrahimović (3) 5. [DROPPED] 6. L. Thuram (12) 7. A. Carboni 8. Gerson (23) 9. P. Evra (2) 10. Janes (8) 11. A. Hansen (16) 12. G Lato (27) 13. R. Mahrez (7) 14. [DROPPED] 15. P. Keizer (19) 16. P. Cech (14)

prath92 - 1. M. Ballack (4) 2. T. Henry (10) 3. [DROPPED] (16) 4. C. Tevez (18) 5. [DROPPED] (16) 6. P. Montero (4) 7. W. Gallas (bonus) 8. R. Carlos (9) 9. J. S. Veron (16) 10. M. Essien (26) 11. F. Collovati 12. E. Van der Sar (17) 13. F. Totti (23) 14. M. Amoros (28) 15. J. O'Shea (7) 16. W. Rooney (18) - [finished drafting in Box 18]

Chesterlestreet - 1. J. Masopust (6) 2. R. Baraja (13) 3. E. Cantona (18) 4. [DROPPED] (1) 5. J-P. Papin (1) 6. T. Finney (16) 7. D. Hamann 8. H. Chumpitaz (21) 9. G. Hagi (28) 10. R. Byrne (3) 11. C. Panucci (9) 12. G. Pallister (18) 13. [DROPPED] 14. D. Seaman (24) 15. P. Cocu (17) 16. A. Costacurta (23) - [finished drafting in Box 23]

Oaencha - 1. A. Del Piero 2. R. Lewandowski 3. S. Gerrard 4. [DROPPED] 5. S. Campbell 6. O. Dembele 7. Nelinho 8. X. Alonso 9. P. Schmeichel 10. G. Chiellini 11. [DROPPED] 12. D. Silva 13. Raúl 14. Maxwell 15. Fernandinho 16. E. Ocwirk |finished drafting in Box 4|

Moby - 1. D. Drogba (7) 2. [DROPPED] 3. A.Robben (17) 4. N. Vidic (14) 5. M. Sindelar (22) 6. R. Keane (10) 7. Sanchis 8. J. C. Valerón (13) 9. M. Tardelli (21) 10. N. Santos (27) 11. W. Suurbier (9) 12. J. Nasazzi (16) 13. [DROPPED] 14. S. Maier (21) 15. S. Mazzola (10) 16. O. Sivori (19) - |finished drafting in Box 19|

RedTiger - 1. Seedorf 2. Batistuta 3. J. Stam 4. [DROPPED] 5. F. Redondo 6. C. Gentile 7. Futre 8. L. Enrique 9. J. Tigana (28) 10. Handanovic 11. [DROPPED] 12. T. Helveg 13. S. Pearce 14. F Rivilla 15. Camacho 16. O Bergmark - [finished drafting in Box 4]

NM - 1. D. Edwards (3) 2. P. Scholes (12) 3. [DROPPED] (17) 4. John Charles (24) 5. Dani Alves (1) 6. Cannavaro (4) 7. van Bronckhorst (Bonus) 8. K.H. Förster (11) 9. F. Ribery (14) 10. Sane (20) 11. Hamrin (25) 12. Diego Lopez (7) 13. Rivera (19) 14. Hughes (24) 15. Koeman (28) - |finished drafting in Box 14|

Enigma_87/Sjor - 1. [DROPPED] 2. R. Ferdinand (18) 3. [DROPPED] (26) 4. G. Mendieta (8) 5. Luis Suárez Miramontes (10) 6. K. H. Rummenigge (21) 7. J. Capdevila 8. J. Kohler (25) 9. [DROPPED] 10. D. Villa (5) 11. R. Rensenbrink (16) 12. Gerets (27) 13. A. Arbeloa (7) 14. H. Gregg 15. C. Makélélé (25) 16. M. Coluna (6)

Ecstatic/MDFC - 1. M. Laudrup (5) 2. Xavi (10) 3. O. Varela (19) 4. [DROPPED] 5. G. Bailey (1) 6. A. Shevchenko (19) 7. M. Reiziger 8. R. Krol (25) 9. Jairzinho (4) 10. L.Kubala (9) 11. D. Godin (14) 12. [DROPPED] (16) 13. Amancio Amaro (16) 14. Dunne (3) 15. Lucio (9) 16. O. Blokhin (21) - |finished drafting in Box 21|

Block list: Alfredo Di Stéfano, Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore, Cristiano Ronaldo, Daniel Passarella, Diego Maradona, Elias Figueroa, Eusébio, Ferenc Puskás, Franco Baresi, Franz Beckenbauer, Gaetano Scirea, Garrincha, George Best, Gerd Müller, Johan Cruyff, Lev Yashin, Lionel Messi, Lothar Matthäus, Luis Ronaldo, Marco van Basten, Matthias Sammer, Michel Platini, Paolo Maldini, Pelé, Rivaldo, Roberto Baggio, Romário, Zico, Zinedine Zidane

Dropped list: Frank Rijkaard, Samuel Eto'o, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Laurent Blanc, Philipp Lahm, Paul Breitner, Pietro Vierchowod, Giuseppe Bergomi, Kopke, Bixente Lizarazu, Jimmy Greaves, Mats Hummels, Alessandro Nesta, Oscar Ruggeri, Carles Puyol, Victor Valdes, A. Iniesta, Nobby Stiles, Cafu, P.Shilton, A. Cole, R. Donadoni, J. Mascherano, José Santamaría, Thiago Silva, Andrea Pirlo, Albiston, Conti, Stepney, Dino Zoff, R. Clemence, G. Bale, D. Santos, Rivellino, M. Buchan, I. Cassilas

@Skizzo Use this instead.
 
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P-Nut - 1. Ronaldinho (9) 2. D. De Gea (13) 3. Neymar (19) 4. [DROPPED] 5. A. Sanchez (26) 6. [DROPPED] 7. G Heinze 8. D. Alli (20) 9. B. Foulkes (3) 10. Bonucci 11. Effenberg (16) 12. M. van Bommel (26) 13. R. Pires (5) 14. Hierro (10) 15. C. Azpilicueta (13)

harms - 1. [DROPPED] (10) 2. G. Donnarumma (20) 3. L. Figo (1) 4. R. Marquez (7) 5. L. Riva (12) 6. R. Giggs (18) 7. Carvajal 8. B. Robson (27) 9. V. Voronin (6) 10. [DROPPED] 11. A. Cabrini (23) 12. T. Müller (1->14) 13. R. Ayala (9) 14. M. Kaltz (12) 15. F. Toldo (16)

Tuppet - 1. M. Desailly (2) 2. J. Neeskens (9) 3. [DROPPED] 4. D. Dzajic (19) 5. Suarez (14) 6. Van Hanegem (6) 7. A. Chivadze 8. [DROPPED] 9. S. Matthews (23) 10. [DROPPED] 11. S. Busquets (14) 12. S. Kocsis (21) 13. D. Deschamps (26) 14. B. Vogts (1->6) 15. G. Banks (9)

Onenil/ctp - 1. J. Bican (D) 2. [DROPPED] 3. G. Facchetti (25) 4. H. Stoichkov (4) 5. J. Bozsik (8) 6. J. Zanetti (12) 7. D. Walker 8. [DROPPED] 9. M. Neuer (23) 10. A. Vidal (25) 11. V. Vasovic (4) 12. B. Schuster (11) 13. D. Holcer (16) 14. C. Ferrara (25) 15. D. Bergkamp (1>19)

Pat_Mustard - 1. R. Gullit (11) 2. A. Brehme (16) 3. [DROPPED] 4. P. McGrath (2) 5. Paco Gento (23) 6. [DROPPED] 7. Viv Anderson 8. S. Piola 9. C. Alberto (4) 10. I. Netto (6) 11.R. Benetti (16) 12. M. Tresor (23) 13. R. Kopa (1/16) 14. U. Fillol 15. Nani (18)

Skizzo - 1. Kaka 2. R. Dasayev 3. G. Souness 4. [DROPPED] 5. [DROPPED] 6. R van Nistelrooy (18) 7. I. Helguera 8. D. Beckham 9. Z. Czibor (9) 10. T. Zarra (13) 11. S. Marzolini 12. G. Popescu 13. Pepe (2) 14. M. Bossis (4) 15. J. Giles 16. J. Carragher [Finished drafting in box 24]

mazhar13 - 1. D. Law (4) 2. U. Seeler (11) 3. P. Nedvěd (16) 4. [DROPPED] 5. [DROPPED] 6. P. Vieira (2) 7. S. Jardine 8. K.-H. Schnellinger (10) 9. G. Buffon (16) 10. D. Irwin (18) 11. Didi (25) 12. W. Schulz (1/19) 13. Joaquin (7) 14. L. Modric (15) 15. M. Asensio (20) 16. T. Burgnich (28) - [finished drafting in Box 28]

2mufc0 - 1. [DROPPED] 2. E. Davids (17) 3. P.R. Falcao (25) 4. Z. Ibrahimović (3) 5. [DROPPED] 6. L. Thuram (12) 7. A. Carboni 8. Gerson (23) 9. P. Evra (2) 10. Janes (8) 11. A. Hansen (16) 12. G Lato (27) 13. R. Mahrez (7) 14. [DROPPED] 15. P. Keizer (19) 16. P. Cech (14)

prath92 - 1. M. Ballack (4) 2. T. Henry (10) 3. [DROPPED] (16) 4. C. Tevez (18) 5. [DROPPED] (16) 6. P. Montero (4) 7. W. Gallas (bonus) 8. R. Carlos (9) 9. J. S. Veron (16) 10. M. Essien (26) 11. F. Collovati 12. E. Van der Sar (17) 13. F. Totti (23) 14. M. Amoros (28) 15. J. O'Shea (7) 16. W. Rooney (18) - [finished drafting in Box 18]

Chesterlestreet - 1. J. Masopust (6) 2. R. Baraja (13) 3. E. Cantona (18) 4. [DROPPED] (1) 5. J-P. Papin (1) 6. T. Finney (16) 7. D. Hamann 8. H. Chumpitaz (21) 9. G. Hagi (28) 10. R. Byrne (3) 11. C. Panucci (9) 12. G. Pallister (18) 13. [DROPPED] 14. D. Seaman (24) 15. P. Cocu (17) 16. A. Costacurta (23) - [finished drafting in Box 23]

Oaencha - 1. A. Del Piero 2. R. Lewandowski 3. S. Gerrard 4. [DROPPED] 5. S. Campbell 6. O. Dembele 7. Nelinho 8. X. Alonso 9. P. Schmeichel 10. G. Chiellini 11. [DROPPED] 12. D. Silva 13. Raúl 14. Maxwell 15. Fernandinho 16. E. Ocwirk |finished drafting in Box 4|

Moby - 1. D. Drogba (7) 2. [DROPPED] 3. A.Robben (17) 4. N. Vidic (14) 5. M. Sindelar (22) 6. R. Keane (10) 7. Sanchis 8. J. C. Valerón (13) 9. M. Tardelli (21) 10. N. Santos (27) 11. W. Suurbier (9) 12. J. Nasazzi (16) 13. [DROPPED] 14. S. Maier (21) 15. S. Mazzola (10) 16. O. Sivori (19) - |finished drafting in Box 19|

RedTiger - 1. Seedorf 2. Batistuta 3. J. Stam 4. [DROPPED] 5. F. Redondo 6. C. Gentile 7. Futre 8. L. Enrique 9. J. Tigana (28) 10. Handanovic 11. [DROPPED] 12. T. Helveg 13. S. Pearce 14. F Rivilla 15. Camacho 16. O Bergmark - [finished drafting in Box 4]

NM - 1. D. Edwards (3) 2. P. Scholes (12) 3. [DROPPED] (17) 4. John Charles (24) 5. Dani Alves (1) 6. Cannavaro (4) 7. van Bronckhorst (Bonus) 8. K.H. Förster (11) 9. F. Ribery (14) 10. Sane (20) 11. Hamrin (25) 12. Diego Lopez (7) 13. Rivera (19) 14. Hughes (24) 15. Koeman (28) - |finished drafting in Box 14|

Enigma_87/Sjor - 1. [DROPPED] 2. R. Ferdinand (18) 3. [DROPPED] (26) 4. G. Mendieta (8) 5. Luis Suárez Miramontes (10) 6. K. H. Rummenigge (21) 7. J. Capdevila 8. J. Kohler (25) 9. [DROPPED] 10. D. Villa (5) 11. R. Rensenbrink (16) 12. Gerets (27) 13. A. Arbeloa (7) 14. H. Gregg 15. C. Makélélé (25) 16. M. Coluna (6)

Ecstatic/MDFC - 1. M. Laudrup (5) 2. Xavi (10) 3. O. Varela (19) 4. [DROPPED] 5. G. Bailey (1) 6. A. Shevchenko (19) 7. M. Reiziger 8. R. Krol (25) 9. Jairzinho (4) 10. L.Kubala (9) 11. D. Godin (14) 12. [DROPPED] (16) 13. Amancio Amaro (16) 14. Dunne (3) 15. Lucio (9) 16. O. Blokhin (21) - |finished drafting in Box 21|

Block list: Alfredo Di Stéfano, Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore, Cristiano Ronaldo, Daniel Passarella, Diego Maradona, Elias Figueroa, Eusébio, Ferenc Puskás, Franco Baresi, Franz Beckenbauer, Gaetano Scirea, Garrincha, George Best, Gerd Müller, Johan Cruyff, Lev Yashin, Lionel Messi, Lothar Matthäus, Luis Ronaldo, Marco van Basten, Matthias Sammer, Michel Platini, Paolo Maldini, Pelé, Rivaldo, Roberto Baggio, Romário, Zico, Zinedine Zidane

Dropped list: Frank Rijkaard, Samuel Eto'o, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Laurent Blanc, Philipp Lahm, Paul Breitner, Pietro Vierchowod, Giuseppe Bergomi, Kopke, Bixente Lizarazu, Jimmy Greaves, Mats Hummels, Alessandro Nesta, Oscar Ruggeri, Carles Puyol, Victor Valdes, A. Iniesta, Nobby Stiles, Cafu, P.Shilton, A. Cole, R. Donadoni, J. Mascherano, José Santamaría, Thiago Silva, Andrea Pirlo, Albiston, Conti, Stepney, Dino Zoff, R. Clemence, G. Bale, D. Santos, Rivellino, M. Buchan, I. Cassilas

@Pat_Mustard
 
antohan said:
Would be a real shame. The challenge is replacing a player now, not once you have 5 subs.

Preparing for the former influences your entire draft strategy and players you go for. The latter is a cop out.
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Well, in fairness the OP states clearly that the double injuries will occur after each round. So, having a pair of players out after the initial drafting, before the first knockout stage, was never on (as per the OP): What was on, at one point, was a random injury round: So, at most, managers who went by the OP would have drafted with a single injury in mind up till a certain point. And then, well before drafting ended, it was stated a) that there would be no injury round and b) that there would be no injuries whatsoever before R1/knockout.

In other words, if it was suddenly decided now to take out a pair of players, or even just one, you certainly couldn’t blame the managers for being unprepared for that eventuality.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Well, in fairness the OP states clearly that the double injuries will occur after each round. So, having a pair of players out after the initial drafting, before the first knockout stage, was never on (as per the OP): What was on, at one point, was a random injury round: So, at most, managers who went by the OP would have drafted with a single injury in mind up till a certain point. And then, well before drafting ended, it was stated a) that there would be no injury round and b) that there would be no injuries whatsoever before R1/knockout.

In other words, if it was suddenly decided now to take out a pair of players, or even just one, you certainly couldn’t blame the managers for being unprepared for that eventuality.
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That's what I'm referring to. And no, saying there would be no injuries late in a draft isn't the same as saying it from the off.

Look, I'm not even playing the game part, but I would be pretty miffed right now as every pick since R1 was based on having a squad and tactics that could survive a random injury.

E.g. you don't go 4-2-3-1 for starters as even getting very versatile players you will really struggle to sort anything out with just three subs and the compromise in quality of not picking specialists everywhere would be really significant.
 
Box 27: Golden Oldie

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José Martínez Sánchez, ‘Pirri’
Born: 11.03.1945
Country: Spain
Clubs: At. Ceuta, Granada, Real Madrid (64-80), Puebla (80-82)
Caps: 41 (W22 –D9 – L10 - %64.63)
Goals: 16 (0.39 per match)
Age First Cap: 21 yr 124 d 13.07.1966 vs. Argentina 1-2
Age Last Cap: 33 yr 92 d 11.06.1978 vs. Sweden 1-0
National Team Career: 11 yr 333 d

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P-Nut - 1. Ronaldinho (9) 2. D. De Gea (13) 3. Neymar (19) 4. [DROPPED] 5. A. Sanchez (26) 6. [DROPPED] 7. G Heinze 8. D. Alli (20) 9. B. Foulkes (3) 10. Bonucci 11. Effenberg (16) 12. M. van Bommel (26) 13. R. Pires (5) 14. Hierro (10) 15. C. Azpilicueta (13)

harms - 1. [DROPPED] (10) 2. G. Donnarumma (20) 3. L. Figo (1) 4. R. Marquez (7) 5. L. Riva (12) 6. R. Giggs (18) 7. Carvajal 8. B. Robson (27) 9. V. Voronin (6) 10. [DROPPED] 11. A. Cabrini (23) 12. T. Müller (1->14) 13. R. Ayala (9) 14. M. Kaltz (12) 15. F. Toldo (16)

Tuppet - 1. M. Desailly (2) 2. J. Neeskens (9) 3. [DROPPED] 4. D. Dzajic (19) 5. Suarez (14) 6. Van Hanegem (6) 7. A. Chivadze 8. [DROPPED] 9. S. Matthews (23) 10. [DROPPED] 11. S. Busquets (14) 12. S. Kocsis (21) 13. D. Deschamps (26) 14. B. Vogts (1->6) 15. G. Banks (9)

Onenil/ctp - 1. J. Bican (D) 2. [DROPPED] 3. G. Facchetti (25) 4. H. Stoichkov (4) 5. J. Bozsik (8) 6. J. Zanetti (12) 7. D. Walker 8. [DROPPED] 9. M. Neuer (23) 10. A. Vidal (25) 11. V. Vasovic (4) 12. B. Schuster (11) 13. D. Holcer (16) 14. C. Ferrara (25) 15. D. Bergkamp (1>19)

Pat_Mustard - 1. R. Gullit (11) 2. A. Brehme (16) 3. [DROPPED] 4. P. McGrath (2) 5. Paco Gento (23) 6. [DROPPED] 7. Viv Anderson 8. S. Piola 9. C. Alberto (4) 10. I. Netto (6) 11.R. Benetti (16) 12. M. Tresor (23) 13. R. Kopa (1/16) 14. U. Fillol 15. Nani (18) 16. Pirri (27) [Finished drafting in Box 27]

Skizzo - 1. Kaka 2. R. Dasayev 3. G. Souness 4. [DROPPED] 5. [DROPPED] 6. R van Nistelrooy (18) 7. I. Helguera 8. D. Beckham 9. Z. Czibor (9) 10. T. Zarra (13) 11. S. Marzolini 12. G. Popescu 13. Pepe (2) 14. M. Bossis (4) 15. J. Giles 16. J. Carragher [Finished drafting in box 24]

mazhar13 - 1. D. Law (4) 2. U. Seeler (11) 3. P. Nedvěd (16) 4. [DROPPED] 5. [DROPPED] 6. P. Vieira (2) 7. S. Jardine 8. K.-H. Schnellinger (10) 9. G. Buffon (16) 10. D. Irwin (18) 11. Didi (25) 12. W. Schulz (1/19) 13. Joaquin (7) 14. L. Modric (15) 15. M. Asensio (20) 16. T. Burgnich (28) - [finished drafting in Box 28]

2mufc0 - 1. [DROPPED] 2. E. Davids (17) 3. P.R. Falcao (25) 4. Z. Ibrahimović (3) 5. [DROPPED] 6. L. Thuram (12) 7. A. Carboni 8. Gerson (23) 9. P. Evra (2) 10. Janes (8) 11. A. Hansen (16) 12. G Lato (27) 13. R. Mahrez (7) 14. [DROPPED] 15. P. Keizer (19) 16. P. Cech (14)

prath92 - 1. M. Ballack (4) 2. T. Henry (10) 3. [DROPPED] (16) 4. C. Tevez (18) 5. [DROPPED] (16) 6. P. Montero (4) 7. W. Gallas (bonus) 8. R. Carlos (9) 9. J. S. Veron (16) 10. M. Essien (26) 11. F. Collovati 12. E. Van der Sar (17) 13. F. Totti (23) 14. M. Amoros (28) 15. J. O'Shea (7) 16. W. Rooney (18) - [finished drafting in Box 18]

Chesterlestreet - 1. J. Masopust (6) 2. R. Baraja (13) 3. E. Cantona (18) 4. [DROPPED] (1) 5. J-P. Papin (1) 6. T. Finney (16) 7. D. Hamann 8. H. Chumpitaz (21) 9. G. Hagi (28) 10. R. Byrne (3) 11. C. Panucci (9) 12. G. Pallister (18) 13. [DROPPED] 14. D. Seaman (24) 15. P. Cocu (17) 16. A. Costacurta (23) - [finished drafting in Box 23]

Oaencha - 1. A. Del Piero 2. R. Lewandowski 3. S. Gerrard 4. [DROPPED] 5. S. Campbell 6. O. Dembele 7. Nelinho 8. X. Alonso 9. P. Schmeichel 10. G. Chiellini 11. [DROPPED] 12. D. Silva 13. Raúl 14. Maxwell 15. Fernandinho 16. E. Ocwirk |finished drafting in Box 4|

Moby - 1. D. Drogba (7) 2. [DROPPED] 3. A.Robben (17) 4. N. Vidic (14) 5. M. Sindelar (22) 6. R. Keane (10) 7. Sanchis 8. J. C. Valerón (13) 9. M. Tardelli (21) 10. N. Santos (27) 11. W. Suurbier (9) 12. J. Nasazzi (16) 13. [DROPPED] 14. S. Maier (21) 15. S. Mazzola (10) 16. O. Sivori (19) - |finished drafting in Box 19|

RedTiger - 1. Seedorf 2. Batistuta 3. J. Stam 4. [DROPPED] 5. F. Redondo 6. C. Gentile 7. Futre 8. L. Enrique 9. J. Tigana (28) 10. Handanovic 11. [DROPPED] 12. T. Helveg 13. S. Pearce 14. F Rivilla 15. Camacho 16. O Bergmark - [finished drafting in Box 4]

NM - 1. D. Edwards (3) 2. P. Scholes (12) 3. [DROPPED] (17) 4. John Charles (24) 5. Dani Alves (1) 6. Cannavaro (4) 7. van Bronckhorst (Bonus) 8. K.H. Förster (11) 9. F. Ribery (14) 10. Sane (20) 11. Hamrin (25) 12. Diego Lopez (7) 13. Rivera (19) 14. Hughes (24) 15. Koeman (28) - |finished drafting in Box 14|

Enigma_87/Sjor - 1. [DROPPED] 2. R. Ferdinand (18) 3. [DROPPED] (26) 4. G. Mendieta (8) 5. Luis Suárez Miramontes (10) 6. K. H. Rummenigge (21) 7. J. Capdevila 8. J. Kohler (25) 9. [DROPPED] 10. D. Villa (5) 11. R. Rensenbrink (16) 12. Gerets (27) 13. A. Arbeloa (7) 14. H. Gregg 15. C. Makélélé (25) 16. M. Coluna (6)

Ecstatic/MDFC - 1. M. Laudrup (5) 2. Xavi (10) 3. O. Varela (19) 4. [DROPPED] 5. G. Bailey (1) 6. A. Shevchenko (19) 7. M. Reiziger 8. R. Krol (25) 9. Jairzinho (4) 10. L.Kubala (9) 11. D. Godin (14) 12. [DROPPED] (16) 13. Amancio Amaro (16) 14. Dunne (3) 15. Lucio (9) 16. O. Blokhin (21) - |finished drafting in Box 21|

Block list: Alfredo Di Stéfano, Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore, Cristiano Ronaldo, Daniel Passarella, Diego Maradona, Elias Figueroa, Eusébio, Ferenc Puskás, Franco Baresi, Franz Beckenbauer, Gaetano Scirea, Garrincha, George Best, Gerd Müller, Johan Cruyff, Lev Yashin, Lionel Messi, Lothar Matthäus, Luis Ronaldo, Marco van Basten, Matthias Sammer, Michel Platini, Paolo Maldini, Pelé, Rivaldo, Roberto Baggio, Romário, Zico, Zinedine Zidane

Dropped list: Frank Rijkaard, Samuel Eto'o, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Laurent Blanc, Philipp Lahm, Paul Breitner, Pietro Vierchowod, Giuseppe Bergomi, Kopke, Bixente Lizarazu, Jimmy Greaves, Mats Hummels, Alessandro Nesta, Oscar Ruggeri, Carles Puyol, Victor Valdes, A. Iniesta, Nobby Stiles, Cafu, P.Shilton, A. Cole, R. Donadoni, J. Mascherano, José Santamaría, Thiago Silva, Andrea Pirlo, Albiston, Conti, Stepney, Dino Zoff, R. Clemence, G. Bale, D. Santos, Rivellino, M. Buchan, I. Cassilas

@oneniltothearsenal @ctp
 
antohan said:
Look, I'm not even playing the game part, but I would be pretty miffed right now as every pick since R1 was based on having a squad and tactics that could survive a random injury.
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I agree on principle. Not least since it’s a good and simple countermeasure against pure randomness/luck: You can get very lucky with your boxes and assemble a super strong XI - but boom, your No 10 is out and you’re a bit fecked, because you don’t have a proper Plan B. Which - rightly - gives an edge to managers who have drafted more wisely.

But you can’t go with an injury round to begin with, then cancel it before drafting ends (at which point people may change their strategies for the final picks - the effects of which may vary radically from manager to manager depending on which boxes they’ve landed in), and then reintroduce it. That’s as unfair on the managers in general as canceling it in the first place - arguably more so.
 
@Edgar Allan Pillow do you have to play the legacy player? If so, can I roll again and drop Emlyn Hughes and pick somebody else. I F'd up and picked him to play instead of Gio Van Bronckhorst
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I agree on principle. Not least since it’s a good and simple countermeasure against pure randomness/luck: You can get very lucky with your boxes and assemble a super strong XI - but boom, your No 10 is out and you’re a bit fecked, because you don’t have a proper Plan B. Which - rightly - gives an edge to managers who have drafted more wisely.

But you can’t go with an injury round to begin with, then cancel it before drafting ends (at which point people may change their strategies for the final picks - the effects of which may vary radically from manager to manager depending on which boxes they’ve landed in), and then reintroduce it. That’s as unfair on the managers in general as canceling it in the first place - arguably more so.
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I'd say less so, but yeah, I'm not arguing it should hold, just that such crucial expectations/rules of engagement shouldn't be messed around with.

I imagine EAP looked at the various squads and decided it could create loads of dead rubbers. It's still unfair on those drafting well regardless of good/bad box luck.
 
NM said:
@Edgar Allan Pillow do you have to play the legacy player? If so, can I roll again and drop Emlyn Hughes and pick somebody else. I F'd up and picked him to play instead of Gio Van Bronckhorst
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Bloody hell.

Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Round 7 - Special Event

Use the Default Criteria and pick a player for the manager next to you in drafting order. This player WILL HAVE to play for 1st round and cannot be injured/dropped during rest of drafting.

E.g. P-Nut will pick for harms, harms will pick for Tuppet and so forth till Ecstatic/MDFC picks for P-Nut.

No GKs can be allotted.

Rules:

- No Sheep players to be allotted.
- You can have discussions with those who'll nominate the players for you, ask for players in preferred positions etc, but all discussions need to happen in this thread. No PM negotiations. MANAGER CANNOT ASK FOR A SPECIFIC PLAYER. Best you can ask for is a position and get what the previous manager nominates for you.
- Final decision on player quality, choice etc rests with myself.

ALL DISCUSSIONS TO START AFTER P-NUT MAKES HIS PICK FOR THIS ROUND.
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antohan said:
I'd say less so...
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It would have been less so if it had seemed nailed on until the last couple of rounds that an injury round would actually take place: As it stands, though, the scheduled injury round was R5 - and it never happened. From that point on, the picture changed - and with each new round (w/jackpot cards and whatnot) it became more obvious that it wouldn't happen.
 
Box 11 Edgar

Leovegildo Junior

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P-Nut - 1. Ronaldinho (9) 2. D. De Gea (13) 3. Neymar (19) 4. [DROPPED] 5. A. Sanchez (26) 6. [DROPPED] 7. G Heinze 8. D. Alli (20) 9. B. Foulkes (3) 10. Bonucci 11. Effenberg (16) 12. M. van Bommel (26) 13. R. Pires (5) 14. Hierro (10) 15. C. Azpilicueta (13)

harms - 1. [DROPPED] (10) 2. G. Donnarumma (20) 3. L. Figo (1) 4. R. Marquez (7) 5. L. Riva (12) 6. R. Giggs (18) 7. Carvajal 8. B. Robson (27) 9. V. Voronin (6) 10. [DROPPED] 11. A. Cabrini (23) 12. T. Müller (1->14) 13. R. Ayala (9) 14. M. Kaltz (12) 15. F. Toldo (16)

Tuppet - 1. M. Desailly (2) 2. J. Neeskens (9) 3. [DROPPED] 4. D. Dzajic (19) 5. Suarez (14) 6. Van Hanegem (6) 7. A. Chivadze 8. [DROPPED] 9. S. Matthews (23) 10. [DROPPED] 11. S. Busquets (14) 12. S. Kocsis (21) 13. D. Deschamps (26) 14. B. Vogts (1->6) 15. G. Banks (9)

Onenil/ctp - 1. J. Bican (D) 2. [DROPPED] 3. G. Facchetti (25) 4. H. Stoichkov (4) 5. J. Bozsik (8) 6. J. Zanetti (12) 7. D. Walker 8. [DROPPED] 9. M. Neuer (23) 10. A. Vidal (25) 11. V. Vasovic (4) 12. B. Schuster (11) 13. D. Holcer (16) 14. C. Ferrara (25) 15. D. Bergkamp (1>19) 16. L.Junior (11)[Finished drafting in Box 11]

Pat_Mustard - 1. R. Gullit (11) 2. A. Brehme (16) 3. [DROPPED] 4. P. McGrath (2) 5. Paco Gento (23) 6. [DROPPED] 7. Viv Anderson 8. S. Piola 9. C. Alberto (4) 10. I. Netto (6) 11.R. Benetti (16) 12. M. Tresor (23) 13. R. Kopa (1/16) 14. U. Fillol 15. Nani (18) 16. Pirri (27) [Finished drafting in Box 27]

Skizzo - 1. Kaka 2. R. Dasayev 3. G. Souness 4. [DROPPED] 5. [DROPPED] 6. R van Nistelrooy (18) 7. I. Helguera 8. D. Beckham 9. Z. Czibor (9) 10. T. Zarra (13) 11. S. Marzolini 12. G. Popescu 13. Pepe (2) 14. M. Bossis (4) 15. J. Giles 16. J. Carragher [Finished drafting in box 24]

mazhar13 - 1. D. Law (4) 2. U. Seeler (11) 3. P. Nedvěd (16) 4. [DROPPED] 5. [DROPPED] 6. P. Vieira (2) 7. S. Jardine 8. K.-H. Schnellinger (10) 9. G. Buffon (16) 10. D. Irwin (18) 11. Didi (25) 12. W. Schulz (1/19) 13. Joaquin (7) 14. L. Modric (15) 15. M. Asensio (20) 16. T. Burgnich (28) - [finished drafting in Box 28]

2mufc0 - 1. [DROPPED] 2. E. Davids (17) 3. P.R. Falcao (25) 4. Z. Ibrahimović (3) 5. [DROPPED] 6. L. Thuram (12) 7. A. Carboni 8. Gerson (23) 9. P. Evra (2) 10. Janes (8) 11. A. Hansen (16) 12. G Lato (27) 13. R. Mahrez (7) 14. [DROPPED] 15. P. Keizer (19) 16. P. Cech (14)

prath92 - 1. M. Ballack (4) 2. T. Henry (10) 3. [DROPPED] (16) 4. C. Tevez (18) 5. [DROPPED] (16) 6. P. Montero (4) 7. W. Gallas (bonus) 8. R. Carlos (9) 9. J. S. Veron (16) 10. M. Essien (26) 11. F. Collovati 12. E. Van der Sar (17) 13. F. Totti (23) 14. M. Amoros (28) 15. J. O'Shea (7) 16. W. Rooney (18) - [finished drafting in Box 18]

Chesterlestreet - 1. J. Masopust (6) 2. R. Baraja (13) 3. E. Cantona (18) 4. [DROPPED] (1) 5. J-P. Papin (1) 6. T. Finney (16) 7. D. Hamann 8. H. Chumpitaz (21) 9. G. Hagi (28) 10. R. Byrne (3) 11. C. Panucci (9) 12. G. Pallister (18) 13. [DROPPED] 14. D. Seaman (24) 15. P. Cocu (17) 16. A. Costacurta (23) - [finished drafting in Box 23]

Oaencha - 1. A. Del Piero 2. R. Lewandowski 3. S. Gerrard 4. [DROPPED] 5. S. Campbell 6. O. Dembele 7. Nelinho 8. X. Alonso 9. P. Schmeichel 10. G. Chiellini 11. [DROPPED] 12. D. Silva 13. Raúl 14. Maxwell 15. Fernandinho 16. E. Ocwirk |finished drafting in Box 4|

Moby - 1. D. Drogba (7) 2. [DROPPED] 3. A.Robben (17) 4. N. Vidic (14) 5. M. Sindelar (22) 6. R. Keane (10) 7. Sanchis 8. J. C. Valerón (13) 9. M. Tardelli (21) 10. N. Santos (27) 11. W. Suurbier (9) 12. J. Nasazzi (16) 13. [DROPPED] 14. S. Maier (21) 15. S. Mazzola (10) 16. O. Sivori (19) - |finished drafting in Box 19|

RedTiger - 1. Seedorf 2. Batistuta 3. J. Stam 4. [DROPPED] 5. F. Redondo 6. C. Gentile 7. Futre 8. L. Enrique 9. J. Tigana (28) 10. Handanovic 11. [DROPPED] 12. T. Helveg 13. S. Pearce 14. F Rivilla 15. Camacho 16. O Bergmark - [finished drafting in Box 4]

NM - 1. D. Edwards (3) 2. P. Scholes (12) 3. [DROPPED] (17) 4. John Charles (24) 5. Dani Alves (1) 6. Cannavaro (4) 7. van Bronckhorst (Bonus) 8. K.H. Förster (11) 9. F. Ribery (14) 10. Sane (20) 11. Hamrin (25) 12. Diego Lopez (7) 13. Rivera (19) 14. Hughes (24) 15. Koeman (28) - |finished drafting in Box 14|

Enigma_87/Sjor - 1. [DROPPED] 2. R. Ferdinand (18) 3. [DROPPED] (26) 4. G. Mendieta (8) 5. Luis Suárez Miramontes (10) 6. K. H. Rummenigge (21) 7. J. Capdevila 8. J. Kohler (25) 9. [DROPPED] 10. D. Villa (5) 11. R. Rensenbrink (16) 12. Gerets (27) 13. A. Arbeloa (7) 14. H. Gregg 15. C. Makélélé (25) 16. M. Coluna (6)

Ecstatic/MDFC - 1. M. Laudrup (5) 2. Xavi (10) 3. O. Varela (19) 4. [DROPPED] 5. G. Bailey (1) 6. A. Shevchenko (19) 7. M. Reiziger 8. R. Krol (25) 9. Jairzinho (4) 10. L.Kubala (9) 11. D. Godin (14) 12. [DROPPED] (16) 13. Amancio Amaro (16) 14. Dunne (3) 15. Lucio (9) 16. O. Blokhin (21) - |finished drafting in Box 21|

Block list: Alfredo Di Stéfano, Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore, Cristiano Ronaldo, Daniel Passarella, Diego Maradona, Elias Figueroa, Eusébio, Ferenc Puskás, Franco Baresi, Franz Beckenbauer, Gaetano Scirea, Garrincha, George Best, Gerd Müller, Johan Cruyff, Lev Yashin, Lionel Messi, Lothar Matthäus, Luis Ronaldo, Marco van Basten, Matthias Sammer, Michel Platini, Paolo Maldini, Pelé, Rivaldo, Roberto Baggio, Romário, Zico, Zinedine Zidane

Dropped list: Frank Rijkaard, Samuel Eto'o, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Laurent Blanc, Philipp Lahm, Paul Breitner, Pietro Vierchowod, Giuseppe Bergomi, Kopke, Bixente Lizarazu, Jimmy Greaves, Mats Hummels, Alessandro Nesta, Oscar Ruggeri, Carles Puyol, Victor Valdes, A. Iniesta, Nobby Stiles, Cafu, P.Shilton, A. Cole, R. Donadoni, J. Mascherano, José Santamaría, Thiago Silva, Andrea Pirlo, Albiston, Conti, Stepney, Dino Zoff, R. Clemence, G. Bale, D. Santos, Rivellino, M. Buchan, I. Cassilas
 
B20 - Born on/after 1995
Luke Shaw - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Shaw

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P-Nut - 1. Ronaldinho (9) 2. D. De Gea (13) 3. Neymar (19) 4. [DROPPED] 5. A. Sanchez (26) 6. [DROPPED] 7. G Heinze 8. D. Alli (20) 9. B. Foulkes (3) 10. Bonucci 11. Effenberg (16) 12. M. van Bommel (26) 13. R. Pires (5) 14. Hierro (10) 15. C. Azpilicueta (13)

harms - 1. [DROPPED] (10) 2. G. Donnarumma (20) 3. L. Figo (1) 4. R. Marquez (7) 5. L. Riva (12) 6. R. Giggs (18) 7. Carvajal 8. B. Robson (27) 9. V. Voronin (6) 10. [DROPPED] 11. A. Cabrini (23) 12. T. Müller (1->14) 13. R. Ayala (9) 14. M. Kaltz (12) 15. F. Toldo (16)

Tuppet - 1. M. Desailly (2) 2. J. Neeskens (9) 3. [DROPPED] 4. D. Dzajic (19) 5. Suarez (14) 6. Van Hanegem (6) 7. A. Chivadze 8. [DROPPED] 9. S. Matthews (23) 10. [DROPPED] 11. S. Busquets (14) 12. S. Kocsis (21) 13. D. Deschamps (26) 14. B. Vogts (1->6) 15. G. Banks (9) 16. L. Shaw (20)

Onenil/ctp - 1. J. Bican (D) 2. [DROPPED] 3. G. Facchetti (25) 4. H. Stoichkov (4) 5. J. Bozsik (8) 6. J. Zanetti (12) 7. D. Walker 8. [DROPPED] 9. M. Neuer (23) 10. A. Vidal (25) 11. V. Vasovic (4) 12. B. Schuster (11) 13. D. Holcer (16) 14. C. Ferrara (25) 15. D. Bergkamp (1>19) 16. L.Junior (11)[Finished drafting in Box 11]

Pat_Mustard - 1. R. Gullit (11) 2. A. Brehme (16) 3. [DROPPED] 4. P. McGrath (2) 5. Paco Gento (23) 6. [DROPPED] 7. Viv Anderson 8. S. Piola 9. C. Alberto (4) 10. I. Netto (6) 11.R. Benetti (16) 12. M. Tresor (23) 13. R. Kopa (1/16) 14. U. Fillol 15. Nani (18) 16. Pirri (27) [Finished drafting in Box 27]

Skizzo - 1. Kaka 2. R. Dasayev 3. G. Souness 4. [DROPPED] 5. [DROPPED] 6. R van Nistelrooy (18) 7. I. Helguera 8. D. Beckham 9. Z. Czibor (9) 10. T. Zarra (13) 11. S. Marzolini 12. G. Popescu 13. Pepe (2) 14. M. Bossis (4) 15. J. Giles 16. J. Carragher [Finished drafting in box 24]

mazhar13 - 1. D. Law (4) 2. U. Seeler (11) 3. P. Nedvěd (16) 4. [DROPPED] 5. [DROPPED] 6. P. Vieira (2) 7. S. Jardine 8. K.-H. Schnellinger (10) 9. G. Buffon (16) 10. D. Irwin (18) 11. Didi (25) 12. W. Schulz (1/19) 13. Joaquin (7) 14. L. Modric (15) 15. M. Asensio (20) 16. T. Burgnich (28) - [finished drafting in Box 28]

2mufc0 - 1. [DROPPED] 2. E. Davids (17) 3. P.R. Falcao (25) 4. Z. Ibrahimović (3) 5. [DROPPED] 6. L. Thuram (12) 7. A. Carboni 8. Gerson (23) 9. P. Evra (2) 10. Janes (8) 11. A. Hansen (16) 12. G Lato (27) 13. R. Mahrez (7) 14. [DROPPED] 15. P. Keizer (19) 16. P. Cech (14)

prath92 - 1. M. Ballack (4) 2. T. Henry (10) 3. [DROPPED] (16) 4. C. Tevez (18) 5. [DROPPED] (16) 6. P. Montero (4) 7. W. Gallas (bonus) 8. R. Carlos (9) 9. J. S. Veron (16) 10. M. Essien (26) 11. F. Collovati 12. E. Van der Sar (17) 13. F. Totti (23) 14. M. Amoros (28) 15. J. O'Shea (7) 16. W. Rooney (18) - [finished drafting in Box 18]

Chesterlestreet - 1. J. Masopust (6) 2. R. Baraja (13) 3. E. Cantona (18) 4. [DROPPED] (1) 5. J-P. Papin (1) 6. T. Finney (16) 7. D. Hamann 8. H. Chumpitaz (21) 9. G. Hagi (28) 10. R. Byrne (3) 11. C. Panucci (9) 12. G. Pallister (18) 13. [DROPPED] 14. D. Seaman (24) 15. P. Cocu (17) 16. A. Costacurta (23) - [finished drafting in Box 23]

Oaencha - 1. A. Del Piero 2. R. Lewandowski 3. S. Gerrard 4. [DROPPED] 5. S. Campbell 6. O. Dembele 7. Nelinho 8. X. Alonso 9. P. Schmeichel 10. G. Chiellini 11. [DROPPED] 12. D. Silva 13. Raúl 14. Maxwell 15. Fernandinho 16. E. Ocwirk |finished drafting in Box 4|

Moby - 1. D. Drogba (7) 2. [DROPPED] 3. A.Robben (17) 4. N. Vidic (14) 5. M. Sindelar (22) 6. R. Keane (10) 7. Sanchis 8. J. C. Valerón (13) 9. M. Tardelli (21) 10. N. Santos (27) 11. W. Suurbier (9) 12. J. Nasazzi (16) 13. [DROPPED] 14. S. Maier (21) 15. S. Mazzola (10) 16. O. Sivori (19) - |finished drafting in Box 19|

RedTiger - 1. Seedorf 2. Batistuta 3. J. Stam 4. [DROPPED] 5. F. Redondo 6. C. Gentile 7. Futre 8. L. Enrique 9. J. Tigana (28) 10. Handanovic 11. [DROPPED] 12. T. Helveg 13. S. Pearce 14. F Rivilla 15. Camacho 16. O Bergmark - [finished drafting in Box 4]

NM - 1. D. Edwards (3) 2. P. Scholes (12) 3. [DROPPED] (17) 4. John Charles (24) 5. Dani Alves (1) 6. Cannavaro (4) 7. van Bronckhorst (Bonus) 8. K.H. Förster (11) 9. F. Ribery (14) 10. Sane (20) 11. Hamrin (25) 12. Diego Lopez (7) 13. Rivera (19) 14. Hughes (24) 15. Koeman (28) - |finished drafting in Box 14|

Enigma_87/Sjor - 1. [DROPPED] 2. R. Ferdinand (18) 3. [DROPPED] (26) 4. G. Mendieta (8) 5. Luis Suárez Miramontes (10) 6. K. H. Rummenigge (21) 7. J. Capdevila 8. J. Kohler (25) 9. [DROPPED] 10. D. Villa (5) 11. R. Rensenbrink (16) 12. Gerets (27) 13. A. Arbeloa (7) 14. H. Gregg 15. C. Makélélé (25) 16. M. Coluna (6)

Ecstatic/MDFC - 1. M. Laudrup (5) 2. Xavi (10) 3. O. Varela (19) 4. [DROPPED] 5. G. Bailey (1) 6. A. Shevchenko (19) 7. M. Reiziger 8. R. Krol (25) 9. Jairzinho (4) 10. L.Kubala (9) 11. D. Godin (14) 12. [DROPPED] (16) 13. Amancio Amaro (16) 14. Dunne (3) 15. Lucio (9) 16. O. Blokhin (21) - |finished drafting in Box 21|

Block list: Alfredo Di Stéfano, Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore, Cristiano Ronaldo, Daniel Passarella, Diego Maradona, Elias Figueroa, Eusébio, Ferenc Puskás, Franco Baresi, Franz Beckenbauer, Gaetano Scirea, Garrincha, George Best, Gerd Müller, Johan Cruyff, Lev Yashin, Lionel Messi, Lothar Matthäus, Luis Ronaldo, Marco van Basten, Matthias Sammer, Michel Platini, Paolo Maldini, Pelé, Rivaldo, Roberto Baggio, Romário, Zico, Zinedine Zidane

Dropped list: Frank Rijkaard, Samuel Eto'o, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Laurent Blanc, Philipp Lahm, Paul Breitner, Pietro Vierchowod, Giuseppe Bergomi, Kopke, Bixente Lizarazu, Jimmy Greaves, Mats Hummels, Alessandro Nesta, Oscar Ruggeri, Carles Puyol, Victor Valdes, A. Iniesta, Nobby Stiles, Cafu, P.Shilton, A. Cole, R. Donadoni, J. Mascherano, José Santamaría, Thiago Silva, Andrea Pirlo, Albiston, Conti, Stepney, Dino Zoff, R. Clemence, G. Bale, D. Santos, Rivellino, M. Buchan, I. Cassilas

@harms
 
2 Ballon D'Ors put him in a group that he, quite simply, does not belong in, but the way he is usually ignored on here (by me included) is unfair, considering the man's talent.
Since I have to pick someone from the despised clubs, I'll take Kevin Keegan, the Mighty Mouse — Kaltz greets his old/new teammate with whom they disintegrated the all-mighty Real Madrid in 1980.

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P-Nut - 1. Ronaldinho (9) 2. D. De Gea (13) 3. Neymar (19) 4. [DROPPED] 5. A. Sanchez (26) 6. [DROPPED] 7. G Heinze 8. D. Alli (20) 9. B. Foulkes (3) 10. Bonucci 11. Effenberg (16) 12. M. van Bommel (26) 13. R. Pires (5) 14. Hierro (10) 15. C. Azpilicueta (13)

harms - 1. [DROPPED] (10) 2. G. Donnarumma (20) 3. L. Figo (1) 4. R. Marquez (7) 5. L. Riva (12) 6. R. Giggs (18) 7. Carvajal 8. B. Robson (27) 9. V. Voronin (6) 10. [DROPPED] 11. A. Cabrini (23) 12. T. Müller (1->14) 13. R. Ayala (9) 14. M. Kaltz (12) 15. F. Toldo (16) 16. K. Keegan (24) [finished drafting in box 24]

Tuppet - 1. M. Desailly (2) 2. J. Neeskens (9) 3. [DROPPED] 4. D. Dzajic (19) 5. Suarez (14) 6. Van Hanegem (6) 7. A. Chivadze 8. [DROPPED] 9. S. Matthews (23) 10. [DROPPED] 11. S. Busquets (14) 12. S. Kocsis (21) 13. D. Deschamps (26) 14. B. Vogts (1->6) 15. G. Banks (9) 16. L. Shaw (20)

Onenil/ctp - 1. J. Bican (D) 2. [DROPPED] 3. G. Facchetti (25) 4. H. Stoichkov (4) 5. J. Bozsik (8) 6. J. Zanetti (12) 7. D. Walker 8. [DROPPED] 9. M. Neuer (23) 10. A. Vidal (25) 11. V. Vasovic (4) 12. B. Schuster (11) 13. D. Holcer (16) 14. C. Ferrara (25) 15. D. Bergkamp (1>19) 16. L.Junior (11)[Finished drafting in Box 11]

Pat_Mustard - 1. R. Gullit (11) 2. A. Brehme (16) 3. [DROPPED] 4. P. McGrath (2) 5. Paco Gento (23) 6. [DROPPED] 7. Viv Anderson 8. S. Piola 9. C. Alberto (4) 10. I. Netto (6) 11.R. Benetti (16) 12. M. Tresor (23) 13. R. Kopa (1/16) 14. U. Fillol 15. Nani (18) 16. Pirri (27) [Finished drafting in Box 27]

Skizzo - 1. Kaka 2. R. Dasayev 3. G. Souness 4. [DROPPED] 5. [DROPPED] 6. R van Nistelrooy (18) 7. I. Helguera 8. D. Beckham 9. Z. Czibor (9) 10. T. Zarra (13) 11. S. Marzolini 12. G. Popescu 13. Pepe (2) 14. M. Bossis (4) 15. J. Giles 16. J. Carragher [Finished drafting in box 24]

mazhar13 - 1. D. Law (4) 2. U. Seeler (11) 3. P. Nedvěd (16) 4. [DROPPED] 5. [DROPPED] 6. P. Vieira (2) 7. S. Jardine 8. K.-H. Schnellinger (10) 9. G. Buffon (16) 10. D. Irwin (18) 11. Didi (25) 12. W. Schulz (1/19) 13. Joaquin (7) 14. L. Modric (15) 15. M. Asensio (20) 16. T. Burgnich (28) - [finished drafting in Box 28]

2mufc0 - 1. [DROPPED] 2. E. Davids (17) 3. P.R. Falcao (25) 4. Z. Ibrahimović (3) 5. [DROPPED] 6. L. Thuram (12) 7. A. Carboni 8. Gerson (23) 9. P. Evra (2) 10. Janes (8) 11. A. Hansen (16) 12. G Lato (27) 13. R. Mahrez (7) 14. [DROPPED] 15. P. Keizer (19) 16. P. Cech (14)

prath92 - 1. M. Ballack (4) 2. T. Henry (10) 3. [DROPPED] (16) 4. C. Tevez (18) 5. [DROPPED] (16) 6. P. Montero (4) 7. W. Gallas (bonus) 8. R. Carlos (9) 9. J. S. Veron (16) 10. M. Essien (26) 11. F. Collovati 12. E. Van der Sar (17) 13. F. Totti (23) 14. M. Amoros (28) 15. J. O'Shea (7) 16. W. Rooney (18) - [finished drafting in Box 18]

Chesterlestreet - 1. J. Masopust (6) 2. R. Baraja (13) 3. E. Cantona (18) 4. [DROPPED] (1) 5. J-P. Papin (1) 6. T. Finney (16) 7. D. Hamann 8. H. Chumpitaz (21) 9. G. Hagi (28) 10. R. Byrne (3) 11. C. Panucci (9) 12. G. Pallister (18) 13. [DROPPED] 14. D. Seaman (24) 15. P. Cocu (17) 16. A. Costacurta (23) - [finished drafting in Box 23]

Oaencha - 1. A. Del Piero 2. R. Lewandowski 3. S. Gerrard 4. [DROPPED] 5. S. Campbell 6. O. Dembele 7. Nelinho 8. X. Alonso 9. P. Schmeichel 10. G. Chiellini 11. [DROPPED] 12. D. Silva 13. Raúl 14. Maxwell 15. Fernandinho 16. E. Ocwirk |finished drafting in Box 4|

Moby - 1. D. Drogba (7) 2. [DROPPED] 3. A.Robben (17) 4. N. Vidic (14) 5. M. Sindelar (22) 6. R. Keane (10) 7. Sanchis 8. J. C. Valerón (13) 9. M. Tardelli (21) 10. N. Santos (27) 11. W. Suurbier (9) 12. J. Nasazzi (16) 13. [DROPPED] 14. S. Maier (21) 15. S. Mazzola (10) 16. O. Sivori (19) - |finished drafting in Box 19|

RedTiger - 1. Seedorf 2. Batistuta 3. J. Stam 4. [DROPPED] 5. F. Redondo 6. C. Gentile 7. Futre 8. L. Enrique 9. J. Tigana (28) 10. Handanovic 11. [DROPPED] 12. T. Helveg 13. S. Pearce 14. F Rivilla 15. Camacho 16. O Bergmark - [finished drafting in Box 4]

NM - 1. D. Edwards (3) 2. P. Scholes (12) 3. [DROPPED] (17) 4. John Charles (24) 5. Dani Alves (1) 6. Cannavaro (4) 7. van Bronckhorst (Bonus) 8. K.H. Förster (11) 9. F. Ribery (14) 10. Sane (20) 11. Hamrin (25) 12. Diego Lopez (7) 13. Rivera (19) 14. Hughes (24) 15. Koeman (28) - |finished drafting in Box 14|

Enigma_87/Sjor - 1. [DROPPED] 2. R. Ferdinand (18) 3. [DROPPED] (26) 4. G. Mendieta (8) 5. Luis Suárez Miramontes (10) 6. K. H. Rummenigge (21) 7. J. Capdevila 8. J. Kohler (25) 9. [DROPPED] 10. D. Villa (5) 11. R. Rensenbrink (16) 12. Gerets (27) 13. A. Arbeloa (7) 14. H. Gregg 15. C. Makélélé (25) 16. M. Coluna (6)

Ecstatic/MDFC - 1. M. Laudrup (5) 2. Xavi (10) 3. O. Varela (19) 4. [DROPPED] 5. G. Bailey (1) 6. A. Shevchenko (19) 7. M. Reiziger 8. R. Krol (25) 9. Jairzinho (4) 10. L.Kubala (9) 11. D. Godin (14) 12. [DROPPED] (16) 13. Amancio Amaro (16) 14. Dunne (3) 15. Lucio (9) 16. O. Blokhin (21) - |finished drafting in Box 21|

Block list: Alfredo Di Stéfano, Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore, Cristiano Ronaldo, Daniel Passarella, Diego Maradona, Elias Figueroa, Eusébio, Ferenc Puskás, Franco Baresi, Franz Beckenbauer, Gaetano Scirea, Garrincha, George Best, Gerd Müller, Johan Cruyff, Lev Yashin, Lionel Messi, Lothar Matthäus, Luis Ronaldo, Marco van Basten, Matthias Sammer, Michel Platini, Paolo Maldini, Pelé, Rivaldo, Roberto Baggio, Romário, Zico, Zinedine Zidane

Dropped list: Frank Rijkaard, Samuel Eto'o, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Laurent Blanc, Philipp Lahm, Paul Breitner, Pietro Vierchowod, Giuseppe Bergomi, Kopke, Bixente Lizarazu, Jimmy Greaves, Mats Hummels, Alessandro Nesta, Oscar Ruggeri, Carles Puyol, Victor Valdes, A. Iniesta, Nobby Stiles, Cafu, P.Shilton, A. Cole, R. Donadoni, J. Mascherano, José Santamaría, Thiago Silva, Andrea Pirlo, Albiston, Conti, Stepney, Dino Zoff, R. Clemence, G. Bale, D. Santos, Rivellino, M. Buchan, I. Casillas

@P-Nut0712
 
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P-Nut - 1. Ronaldinho (9) 2. D. De Gea (13) 3. Neymar (19) 4. [DROPPED] 5. A. Sanchez (26) 6. [DROPPED] 7. G Heinze 8. D. Alli (20) 9. B. Foulkes (3) 10. Bonucci 11. Effenberg (16) 12. M. van Bommel (26) 13. [DROPPED] 14. Hierro (10) 15. C. Azpilicueta (13) 16.G.Lineker (5)

harms - 1. [DROPPED] (10) 2. G. Donnarumma (20) 3. L. Figo (1) 4. R. Marquez (7) 5. L. Riva (12) 6. R. Giggs (18) 7. Carvajal 8. B. Robson (27) 9. V. Voronin (6) 10. [DROPPED] 11. A. Cabrini (23) 12. T. Müller (1->14) 13. R. Ayala (9) 14. M. Kaltz (12) 15. F. Toldo (16) 16. K. Keegan (24) [finished drafting in box 24]

Tuppet - 1. M. Desailly (2) 2. J. Neeskens (9) 3. [DROPPED] 4. D. Dzajic (19) 5. Suarez (14) 6. Van Hanegem (6) 7. A. Chivadze 8. [DROPPED] 9. S. Matthews (23) 10. [DROPPED] 11. S. Busquets (14) 12. S. Kocsis (21) 13. D. Deschamps (26) 14. B. Vogts (1->6) 15. G. Banks (9) 16. L. Shaw (20)

Onenil/ctp - 1. J. Bican (D) 2. [DROPPED] 3. G. Facchetti (25) 4. H. Stoichkov (4) 5. J. Bozsik (8) 6. J. Zanetti (12) 7. D. Walker 8. [DROPPED] 9. M. Neuer (23) 10. A. Vidal (25) 11. V. Vasovic (4) 12. B. Schuster (11) 13. D. Holcer (16) 14. C. Ferrara (25) 15. D. Bergkamp (1>19) 16. L.Junior (11)[Finished drafting in Box 11]

Pat_Mustard - 1. R. Gullit (11) 2. A. Brehme (16) 3. [DROPPED] 4. P. McGrath (2) 5. Paco Gento (23) 6. [DROPPED] 7. Viv Anderson 8. S. Piola 9. C. Alberto (4) 10. I. Netto (6) 11.R. Benetti (16) 12. M. Tresor (23) 13. R. Kopa (1/16) 14. U. Fillol 15. Nani (18) 16. Pirri (27) [Finished drafting in Box 27]

Skizzo - 1. Kaka 2. R. Dasayev 3. G. Souness 4. [DROPPED] 5. [DROPPED] 6. R van Nistelrooy (18) 7. I. Helguera 8. D. Beckham 9. Z. Czibor (9) 10. T. Zarra (13) 11. S. Marzolini 12. G. Popescu 13. Pepe (2) 14. M. Bossis (4) 15. J. Giles 16. J. Carragher [Finished drafting in box 24]

mazhar13 - 1. D. Law (4) 2. U. Seeler (11) 3. P. Nedvěd (16) 4. [DROPPED] 5. [DROPPED] 6. P. Vieira (2) 7. S. Jardine 8. K.-H. Schnellinger (10) 9. G. Buffon (16) 10. D. Irwin (18) 11. Didi (25) 12. W. Schulz (1/19) 13. Joaquin (7) 14. L. Modric (15) 15. M. Asensio (20) 16. T. Burgnich (28) - [finished drafting in Box 28]

2mufc0 - 1. [DROPPED] 2. E. Davids (17) 3. P.R. Falcao (25) 4. Z. Ibrahimović (3) 5. [DROPPED] 6. L. Thuram (12) 7. A. Carboni 8. Gerson (23) 9. P. Evra (2) 10. Janes (8) 11. A. Hansen (16) 12. G Lato (27) 13. R. Mahrez (7) 14. [DROPPED] 15. P. Keizer (19) 16. P. Cech (14)

prath92 - 1. M. Ballack (4) 2. T. Henry (10) 3. [DROPPED] (16) 4. C. Tevez (18) 5. [DROPPED] (16) 6. P. Montero (4) 7. W. Gallas (bonus) 8. R. Carlos (9) 9. J. S. Veron (16) 10. M. Essien (26) 11. F. Collovati 12. E. Van der Sar (17) 13. F. Totti (23) 14. M. Amoros (28) 15. J. O'Shea (7) 16. W. Rooney (18) - [finished drafting in Box 18]

Chesterlestreet - 1. J. Masopust (6) 2. R. Baraja (13) 3. E. Cantona (18) 4. [DROPPED] (1) 5. J-P. Papin (1) 6. T. Finney (16) 7. D. Hamann 8. H. Chumpitaz (21) 9. G. Hagi (28) 10. R. Byrne (3) 11. C. Panucci (9) 12. G. Pallister (18) 13. [DROPPED] 14. D. Seaman (24) 15. P. Cocu (17) 16. A. Costacurta (23) - [finished drafting in Box 23]

Oaencha - 1. A. Del Piero 2. R. Lewandowski 3. S. Gerrard 4. [DROPPED] 5. S. Campbell 6. O. Dembele 7. Nelinho 8. X. Alonso 9. P. Schmeichel 10. G. Chiellini 11. [DROPPED] 12. D. Silva 13. Raúl 14. Maxwell 15. Fernandinho 16. E. Ocwirk |finished drafting in Box 4|

Moby - 1. D. Drogba (7) 2. [DROPPED] 3. A.Robben (17) 4. N. Vidic (14) 5. M. Sindelar (22) 6. R. Keane (10) 7. Sanchis 8. J. C. Valerón (13) 9. M. Tardelli (21) 10. N. Santos (27) 11. W. Suurbier (9) 12. J. Nasazzi (16) 13. [DROPPED] 14. S. Maier (21) 15. S. Mazzola (10) 16. O. Sivori (19) - |finished drafting in Box 19|

RedTiger - 1. Seedorf 2. Batistuta 3. J. Stam 4. [DROPPED] 5. F. Redondo 6. C. Gentile 7. Futre 8. L. Enrique 9. J. Tigana (28) 10. Handanovic 11. [DROPPED] 12. T. Helveg 13. S. Pearce 14. F Rivilla 15. Camacho 16. O Bergmark - [finished drafting in Box 4]

NM - 1. D. Edwards (3) 2. P. Scholes (12) 3. [DROPPED] (17) 4. John Charles (24) 5. Dani Alves (1) 6. Cannavaro (4) 7. van Bronckhorst (Bonus) 8. K.H. Förster (11) 9. F. Ribery (14) 10. Sane (20) 11. Hamrin (25) 12. Diego Lopez (7) 13. Rivera (19) 14. Hughes (24) 15. Koeman (28) - |finished drafting in Box 14|

Enigma_87/Sjor - 1. [DROPPED] 2. R. Ferdinand (18) 3. [DROPPED] (26) 4. G. Mendieta (8) 5. Luis Suárez Miramontes (10) 6. K. H. Rummenigge (21) 7. J. Capdevila 8. J. Kohler (25) 9. [DROPPED] 10. D. Villa (5) 11. R. Rensenbrink (16) 12. Gerets (27) 13. A. Arbeloa (7) 14. H. Gregg 15. C. Makélélé (25) 16. M. Coluna (6)

Ecstatic/MDFC - 1. M. Laudrup (5) 2. Xavi (10) 3. O. Varela (19) 4. [DROPPED] 5. G. Bailey (1) 6. A. Shevchenko (19) 7. M. Reiziger 8. R. Krol (25) 9. Jairzinho (4) 10. L.Kubala (9) 11. D. Godin (14) 12. [DROPPED] (16) 13. Amancio Amaro (16) 14. Dunne (3) 15. Lucio (9) 16. O. Blokhin (21) - |finished drafting in Box 21|

Block list: Alfredo Di Stéfano, Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore, Cristiano Ronaldo, Daniel Passarella, Diego Maradona, Elias Figueroa, Eusébio, Ferenc Puskás, Franco Baresi, Franz Beckenbauer, Gaetano Scirea, Garrincha, George Best, Gerd Müller, Johan Cruyff, Lev Yashin, Lionel Messi, Lothar Matthäus, Luis Ronaldo, Marco van Basten, Matthias Sammer, Michel Platini, Paolo Maldini, Pelé, Rivaldo, Roberto Baggio, Romário, Zico, Zinedine Zidane

Dropped list: Frank Rijkaard, Samuel Eto'o, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Laurent Blanc, Philipp Lahm, Paul Breitner, Pietro Vierchowod, Giuseppe Bergomi, Kopke, Bixente Lizarazu, Jimmy Greaves, Mats Hummels, Alessandro Nesta, Oscar Ruggeri, Carles Puyol, Victor Valdes, A. Iniesta, Nobby Stiles, Cafu, P.Shilton, A. Cole, R. Donadoni, J. Mascherano, José Santamaría, Thiago Silva, Andrea Pirlo, Albiston, Conti, Stepney, Dino Zoff, R. Clemence, G. Bale, D. Santos, Rivellino, M. Buchan, I.Casillas, R.Pires


Drop Pires
Pick G.Lineker box 5
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Lineker

@Edgar Allan Pillow
 
harms said:
2 Ballon D'Ors put him in a group that he, quite simply, does not belong in, but the way he is usually ignored on here (by me included) is unfair, considering the man's talent.
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Yeah, but there's a reason for it.

And, no, I don't mean the Liverpool connection. That plays its part - similar to how T-shirt (a player many would rate higher than Keegan, in spite of his conspicuous lack of Ballons) is likely to be received - but it's not the main reason.

You can't sell him as anything but what he was, i.e. a second striker. Same with T-shirt, same with another unpicked Ballon winner from your own neck of the woods *, same with - dare I say it - Cantona (although he is obviously scan voter sexy as few others, so there's that).

Second strikers simply haven't been popular in drafts for as long as I've played 'em on here. At most you could field someone like Mazzola or [UNPICKED - I think], i.e. what you could sell as "direct" No 10s or AMs (players who were, historically, inside forwards) - but specialist second strikers (not playmakers as such) with a more "primary" striker as an actual partner? Not so much. Certainly not in a "final worthy" sense.

But I predict a change. The 4-2-3-1 is old news. People will now go for some kind of feckin' wingbackery - or, actually, for the ol' 4-4-2.

I'll do it myself. And if there's acceptance for 4-4-2 variations - well, there you are. The specialist second strikers will be in demand again.

* Roughly, very roughly.
 
@Chesterlestreet yeah, of course there are few reasons for that. And the T-shirt (whom I like rate less than Keegan if I'm honest, despite his superior Liverpool career), and Cantona and many others are directly competing with the very best like Pele, Maradona, Zico etc because of the positional/role overlaps. But still, many second strikers were picked in countless different drafts with different pools and I literally don't remember anyone ever picking Keegan (even though someone almost certainly did)
 
harms said:
But still, many second strikers were picked in countless different drafts with different pools and I literally don't remember anyone ever picking Keegan (even though someone almost certainly did)
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The problem is that he is too obvious, in a sense, I think. By which I mean, too obvious as both a double Ballon winner (but an underwhelming one) and a second striker.

Again, similar to T-shirt (apart from the Ballon part - although he was high on the list on a few occasions).

Cantona - and several other similar types - are sort of plausible in a role that is similar enough to a No 10 for people to cut them some slack. Just about creative enough - or simply just inside forward-ish enough - to make people buy it.

Plus, of course, neither Keegan nor T-shirt comes with any goodwill. As in - zero.

The other Ballon winner is actually the prime example, though. He simply isn't considered - I'd be willing to bet he has less appearances in drafts than Keegan. And he is, precisely, a second striker of the sort who excelled in a kind of setup which people don't normally go for (or haven't, so far) in these drafts.
 
harms said:
@Chesterlestreet yeah, of course there are few reasons for that. And the T-shirt (whom I like rate less than Keegan if I'm honest, despite his superior Liverpool career), and Cantona and many others are directly competing with the very best like Pele, Maradona, Zico etc because of the positional/role overlaps. But still, many second strikers were picked in countless different drafts with different pools and I literally don't remember anyone ever picking Keegan (even though someone almost certainly did)
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It was me but it wasn't received well.
 
harms said:
@Chesterlestreet yeah, of course there are few reasons for that. And the T-shirt (whom I like rate less than Keegan if I'm honest, despite his superior Liverpool career), and Cantona and many others are directly competing with the very best like Pele, Maradona, Zico etc because of the positional/role overlaps. But still, many second strikers were picked in countless different drafts with different pools and I literally don't remember anyone ever picking Keegan (even though someone almost certainly did)
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https://www.redcafe.net/threads/bri...y-joga-vs-edgar-group-d.398950/#post-16789006

Barney & Joga.
 
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