@Ecstatic thats why i said its just a random guess and asked for anto to help, cheers for that btw 
Reality-Monopoly Draft - R1: harms vs Ecstatic
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Will somebody break the tie?
And no penalties. I'll randomly 'toss a coin' for the winner.
And no penalties. I'll randomly 'toss a coin' for the winner.
That's cruel. Why not ask them to bring on the sub? We can review our vote then..
Nice video that, thanks. I hadn't seen much of him and he looks like a no-nonsense defender, which is good vs Jairzinho. But he'll be under immense pressure since Xavi will be playing in Jairzinho.
At this point I'm nitpicking really.
Too much work/time. Both managers need to be online to submit formations with subs. You need voters to review revise, extend poll timings..... and it could still be a tie.
Here are the full teams, if you wish to chane your votes based on subs....
In your last last game,I was surprised to see a lot of negative comments about your player Makélélé: I guess they have considered him as "pure destroyer" who has nothing to do with technical players like Luis Suarez Miramontes
Let's take the case of Makélélé with Real Madrid: he played a key role in the golden era of Del Bosque. When he left the club, the team lost his balance and struggled to deliver consistent performances on a weekly basis. Makélélé was more than a destroyer: he was capable to play with simplicity, accuracy and rapidity.
I don't expect Varela to run the show but:
1. to control the midfield
2. to protect the defence
3. to play with simplicity and rapidity
From what I've read about Varela, he had proper technical skills but his Uruguayan teammates were clearly better technically.
Thanks for your insights. What do think about this link and the map
https://www.imortaisdofutebol.com/2012/10/02/selecoes-imortais-uruguai-1950/
Exactly.
By the way, I could have taken Busquets but it would have been boring to fully duplicate a team.
Yeah, I thought you wanted him to do a Makelele one-man midfield heavylifting job. Far more technically adept than Makelele though. Did you read what you just sent me? They are Brazilians of course, and thus in awe of the man, but for Brazilians to say someone was a good footballer with the right brain and passing skills to execute transitions... You are not talking Gerson, but the same Brazilians called Gilberto and Kleberson "cabezas de bagre" (a really ugly fish, i.e. technically inept shit on a stick midfielders).
I dug up the stuff I mentioned from the chain draft:
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Giggs vs. Reiziger is the biggest mismatch on the pitch.
That said, I can see Lucio and Godín dealing with Riva... Müller could pop up to make the difference.
At the other end, I can see why people could have issues with Sheva and not a more classic CF... but Blokhin brings that to the table not having to mind the flank as a winger given Krol is there.
Going with Xavi-Laudrup exerting a controlling influence on the flow of the game.
That said, I can see Lucio and Godín dealing with Riva... Müller could pop up to make the difference.
At the other end, I can see why people could have issues with Sheva and not a more classic CF... but Blokhin brings that to the table not having to mind the flank as a winger given Krol is there.
Going with Xavi-Laudrup exerting a controlling influence on the flow of the game.
Oops, closed before I voted. Seems it would have made no difference anyway @Ecstatic.
Good game @Ecstatic. I went a bit defensive like in my early drafting days after Müller's credentials in 4-4-2 got questioned and with that Bailey-Toldo comparison
Anyway, it was as close as it gets and deservingly so, I especially liked Blokhin's inclusion and his role here. With Krol, Laudrup and Xavi supplying/overlapping etc. him, even though I really rate Carvajal
Good game @Ecstatic. I went a bit defensive like in my early drafting days after Müller's credentials in 4-4-2 got questioned and with that Bailey-Toldo comparison
Anyway, it was as close as it gets and deservingly so, I especially liked Blokhin's inclusion and his role here. With Krol, Laudrup and Xavi supplying/overlapping etc. him, even though I really rate Carvajal
Games like these are a clash of philosophies and sometimes the vote comes down to the voter's current preference when it is this close.
I fount it quite interesting that Marquez-Ayala was your CB partnership while Godin-Lucio was Ecstatic's. Went against the playing style of your teams but, in a strange way, I thought it would work because they would 'get' how the opposition was building attacks (Marquez intercepting Ecstatic's Barca-like moves, Godin proving to be the ultimate obstacle for Muller).
It's like you guys had contrasting styles of attack and pressing in midfield but adopted your opponents' tactics in the last line of defense. Not sure if it was intentional but I found it interesting in the psychological aspect.
Anyway, nice game and congrats @harms . Hard luck @Ecstatic and thanks for introducing me to Blokhin
Good game @Ecstatic. I went a bit defensive like in my early drafting days after Müller's credentials in 4-4-2 got questioned and with that Bailey-Toldo comparison
Anyway, it was as close as it gets and deservingly so, I especially liked Blokhin's inclusion and his role here. With Krol, Laudrup and Xavi supplying/overlapping etc. him, even though I really rate Carvajal
@harms
You have a great team. Great involvement also as usual. Good luck for the rest of the tournament
@antohan
Thanks for your contributions
Thanks. I can't say Lucio/Godin was my initial plan
- I had to choose a player born in the 80s and did need a central defender so the most obvious choice for me was Godin
- Krol was expected to be the Sweeper (version 1978) but was rarely in a position to secure a top LB
- Lucio was chosen because he was comfortable with the ball, tall and strong. Definitely the right player to negate Muller on the air.
Good to know this game has attracted the interest of 3-4 posters at least
Thanks for your contributions
Games like these are a clash of philosophies and sometimes the vote comes down to the voter's current preference when it is this close.
I fount it quite interesting that Marquez-Ayala was your CB partnership while Godin-Lucio was Ecstatic's. Went against the playing style of your teams but, in a strange way, I thought it would work because they would 'get' how the opposition was building attacks (Marquez intercepting Ecstatic's Barca-like moves, Godin proving to be the ultimate obstacle for Muller).
It's like you guys had contrasting styles of attack and pressing in midfield but adopted your opponents' tactics in the last line of defense. Not sure if it was intentional but I found it interesting in the psychological aspect.
Anyway, nice game and congrats @harms . Hard luck @Ecstatic and thanks for introducing me to Blokhin
Thanks. I can't say Lucio/Godin was my initial plan
- I had to choose a player born in the 80s and did need a central defender so the most obvious choice for me was Godin
- Krol was expected to be the Sweeper (version 1978) but was rarely in a position to secure a top LB
- Lucio was chosen because he was comfortable with the ball, tall and strong. Definitely the right player to negate Muller on the air.
and thanks for introducing me to Blokhin
Good to know this game has attracted the interest of 3-4 posters at least
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@Mani @Edgar Allan Pillow @Moby @milemuncher777 @Theon @2mufc0 @Tuppet @Arbitrium @SirMattBugsby @BlackShark_80
Congratulations and thanks for your vote despite the outcome. You haven't voted for or against a poster, but simply for an ideal of beauty materialized here by the most entertaining and brilliant team in terms of creativity and unpredictability. 83 minutes of Art below
You have also chosen the smartest team with a central comprised of 3 brains. A team that would have set the tempo of the game and "stretched" the opposing midfield IMO. I don't have powerful and generous midfielders like Robson but a trio who would have taken the ascendant with their art of moving and ball control under pressure. And if the 4-4-2 is no longer popular amongst contemporary coaches, it's certainly because the battle midfield is more challenging with 2 central midfielders and because this system requires some profiles tricky to find.
Smart team sophisticated and refined tactical system with the tactical manoeuvres explained earlier and with:
Central Midfield:
- Varela: 100% organizational skills
- Xavi: 50% organizational skills 50% Creativity
- Laudrup 100% Creativity
Left-Flank:
- Blokhin: 70% Offensive 30% Defensive
- Krol: 30% Offensive 70% Defensive
Right-Flank:
- Jairzinho: 80% Offensive 20% Defensive
- Reiziger: 20% Offensive 80% Defensive
Back:
- Offensive LB
- Conservative LCB
- Offensive RCB to provide support in the build-up
- Conservative RB even if Reiziger was going forward
You truly belong to the elite of this forum
Congratulations and thanks for your vote despite the outcome. You haven't voted for or against a poster, but simply for an ideal of beauty materialized here by the most entertaining and brilliant team in terms of creativity and unpredictability. 83 minutes of Art below
You have also chosen the smartest team with a central comprised of 3 brains. A team that would have set the tempo of the game and "stretched" the opposing midfield IMO. I don't have powerful and generous midfielders like Robson but a trio who would have taken the ascendant with their art of moving and ball control under pressure. And if the 4-4-2 is no longer popular amongst contemporary coaches, it's certainly because the battle midfield is more challenging with 2 central midfielders and because this system requires some profiles tricky to find.
Smart team sophisticated and refined tactical system with the tactical manoeuvres explained earlier and with:
Central Midfield:
- Varela: 100% organizational skills
- Xavi: 50% organizational skills 50% Creativity
- Laudrup 100% Creativity
Left-Flank:
- Blokhin: 70% Offensive 30% Defensive
- Krol: 30% Offensive 70% Defensive
Right-Flank:
- Jairzinho: 80% Offensive 20% Defensive
- Reiziger: 20% Offensive 80% Defensive
Back:
- Offensive LB
- Conservative LCB
- Offensive RCB to provide support in the build-up
- Conservative RB even if Reiziger was going forward
You truly belong to the elite of this forum
Wussed out of voting here as everytime I tried to play match in my head, it worked out different. Couldn't really decide and didn't want to "vote for draw" as no real tactical weaknesses lept out at me.
Congratulations and thanks for your vote despite the outcome. You haven't voted for or against a poster, but simply for an ideal of beauty materialized here by the most entertaining and brilliant team in terms of creativity and unpredictability.
You truly belong to the elite of this forum
No one schmoozes their voters like Ecstatic. Should be President of the FFF
Sad, I missed voting for this. Fantastic match, my vote would have made it 13-12. So not much in it at all
Aye did the same basically up to the final hours. Really tough to separate and was going back and forth with either harms or DC. At the end Lucio/Godin seemed a bit off to me along with the keeper as I rate Toldo above Bailey.
Really fine margins as I liked Ecstatic midfield more, especially Laudrup, but he drew one of the other teams in the draft along with RT and Tuppet who had a magnificent midfield themselves.
was 12-11 at the time, so at least my vote wasn't decisive as it was really a tossup and both sides deserved to go forward.
Really hated voting against @Ecstatic as it was truly an excellent side but harms side was a thing of a beauty too, and tbh also had some of my favorite players.
Ultimately, though I just found harms side a tad more cohesive but there was nothing wrong with Ecstatic side at all. Perhaps Kubala instead of one of his forward trio might have made me vote for him (was that close), as it'd have brought better connectivity between midfield and attack imo. In the sense that a creative yet direct goalscoring forward to dovetail with the midfield and potentially elevate them. However on the other hand I can understand it being hard to drop any one of that trio, as they are all top notch and they provide the firepower to convert Xavi-laudrup's craft into goals.
Ultimately, though I just found harms side a tad more cohesive but there was nothing wrong with Ecstatic side at all. Perhaps Kubala instead of one of his forward trio might have made me vote for him (was that close), as it'd have brought better connectivity between midfield and attack imo. In the sense that a creative yet direct goalscoring forward to dovetail with the midfield and potentially elevate them. However on the other hand I can understand it being hard to drop any one of that trio, as they are all top notch and they provide the firepower to convert Xavi-laudrup's craft into goals.