Dave Smith
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Just a question, but why does a team that play in Madrid need a closing roof on their stadium? I get covering it all, but surely there is no need for a sliding roof.
To rent the venue for concerts, etc.Just a question, but why does a team that play in Madrid need a closing roof on their stadium? I get covering it all, but surely there is no need for a sliding roof.
Why don't you save yourself some money and not put a roof on your house?Very nice however, not sure why it would be necessary to install a fully closed roof in Madrid. Should save themselves a hundred million or so and drop that.
Why don't you save yourself some money and not put a roof on your house?
Not so clever now, are you?
History can only be made by the present happening.I'm always surprised by how categorical people can be when it comes to stadiums. It's a constant and I bet that the stadiums that we now consider soulful were once considered soulless and ugly.
History can only be made by the present happening.
It takes time for this to transpire, but the fact remains that with a new stadium you are eradicating the entire clubs history in one fell swoop.
With a development of an older stadium the process isn't too bad, but it still changes the feeling and heartbeat of the structure
Would be interesting to get the perspective of Juventus fans on this.History can only be made by the present happening.
It takes time for this to transpire, but the fact remains that with a new stadium you are eradicating the entire clubs history in one fell swoop.
With a development of an older stadium the process isn't too bad, but it still changes the feeling and heartbeat of the structure
I mean, that's pretty much standard procedure for anyone
The stadium renovations are the reason why Flo pushed for the SL right now, like that, though. A matter of timing
Is it possible to feel that history if that something doesn't exist though?No you are not eradicating a club's history with a new stadium, you simply write a new chapter. History is in our minds, in the pictures and videos that remain, in the past articles that we read and especially in the stories that we share with each others.
I am confused as well, I just don't know what some people want. What do they mean by "it has no soul" . It looks amazing!
Yeah, that would be interesting.Would be interesting to get the perspective of Juventus fans on this.
I wonder how many times they have eradicated their entire clubs history?
The renovations at Estadio Santiago Bernabeu continue full force during the COVID-19 pandemic
https://ftnnews.com/sports/41676-the-santiago-bernabeu-real-madrid-s-700-million-stadium-redevelopment#:~:text=On June 14th, 2020, Real,on their traditional home ground.&text=Now, Real Madrid are seeking,73-year-old ground.
Our poor stadium just gets older and older...
How can Real Madrid afford this.
Is it possible to feel that history if that something doesn't exist though?
You can have thoughts about history, but walking through Old Trafford for example, you can tangibly feel the history.
You don't get the same feeling in the Emirates. It just isn't there.
It may be there in thirty/forty years time, but that's for a different generation.
Looks like a big train station.That’s exactly what it looks like.
My favourite design was for the new Stamford Bridge, that looked superb in my opinion, brilliant architecture to fit in with the surroundings.
The arches gave it an almost Roman (no pun intended) feel. A stadium design where it felt some actual thought went into it.
Expanding the stadium would have meant making a lot more money in the following years. Doing it in a season with no fans would have saved them money compared to limiting seating for renovations in a normal season.What? The club lost £100M. How will they make up for that loss in revenues and then hope to have a decent transfer budget to try & compete next season?
Football Clubs find a way. Businesses find an excuse.
That's the difference between us and then nowadays
Expanding the stadium would have meant making a lot more money in the following years. Doing it in a season with no fans would have saved them money compared to limiting seating for renovations in a normal season.
The mistake that you are making is by putting yourself at the center of history, you/we are not, your feelings aren't part of history unless you share them with someone else and turn them into an "event". For example the history of Old Trafford is linked to everyone that has experienced moments associated with Old Trafford, the Stadium could disappear tomorrow but his history won't as long as we remember and share our memories and past feelings.
In fact look at what you are doing with the Emirates, you are judging it with Highbury in mind, Highbury isn't there anymore but its history, its link to Arsenal is strong even for someone that isn't a fan of Arsenal. Arsenal didn't eradicate their history by moving to the Emirates, they added a new chapter, people may not like that chapter but that's irrelevant because history isn't about what we like or not but what we remember/associates or not.
I have to disagree with you there unfortunately.The mistake that you are making is by putting yourself at the center of history, you/we are not, your feelings aren't part of history unless you share them with someone else and turn them into an "event". For example the history of Old Trafford is linked to everyone that has experienced moments associated with Old Trafford, the Stadium could disappear tomorrow but his history won't as long as we remember and share our memories and past feelings.
In fact look at what you are doing with the Emirates, you are judging it with Highbury in mind, Highbury isn't there anymore but its history, its link to Arsenal is strong even for someone that isn't a fan of Arsenal. Arsenal didn't eradicate their history by moving to the Emirates, they added a new chapter, people may not like that chapter but that's irrelevant because history isn't about what we like or not but what we remember/associates or not.
Yeah that way is borrowing money.
Would you like to see the Glazers take out a £400-500m loan and load that debt onto the club to redevelop OT in a similar fashion?
Real was the most profitable club with the biggest revenue. They will be just fine after Covid.Without the super league money Real are going to be in big trouble financially. Couldn't have picked a worse time to do the stadium. Perez midas touch gone to hell last couple of years.
Expanding the stadium would have meant making a lot more money in the following years. Doing it in a season with no fans would have saved them money compared to limiting seating for renovations in a normal season.
Aresenal is the perfect example. They came from Woolwich.
And their name comes from the Royal arsenal.
I’m not being sentimental, I’m also not giving a shite if it’s big and shiney like Spurs stadium or this one for Madrid. Our worries are very much on the pitch not off it.That's just BS though. There's no point being sentimental about Old Trafford, it needs a major overhaul. The seats are cramped. That fecking 3rd tier is just awful with the roof obscuring the view. I've been up there a couple of times and I'll never go up there again. And it needs some decent screens. I don't get why Chelsea, Everton and the like can submit plans for new developments but United can't?
I’m not being sentimental, I’m also not giving a shite if it’s big and shiney like Spurs stadium or this one for Madrid. Our worries are very much on the pitch not off it.
Ive said the seating needs improving and a lick of paint but a stadium is about the atmosphere at the end of the day. Cram as many people in as you can and the bricks and mortar matter little.
I don’t ever remember leaving old Trafford talking one minute about how it needs to totally redesigned into a Spurs cheese room with a cinema and some nice shops... I care about the football played first and foremost.
I have to disagree with you there unfortunately.
I am not comparing Emirates with Highbury, they can't compare.
There is no history in the Emirates, intact the club tried to create a link to the past to give it an identity by putting the original Highbury clock up at one end.
Why bother if a new chapter is being created?
A structure retains the history of past generations, it permeates through every crack, wall, and chipped plaster board. That cannot be carried on through to a brand new structure, no matter how many trinkets or clocks are put up from the past.
A clubs history is intrinsically linked to it's ground. Changes do need to be made, but a club is consigning their past to photos and annuals when they move grounds.
That's not to say I would be against United ever moving grounds, but I would much prefer renovations of Old Trafford over a brand new ground.
No they just get the government to buy their training ground for 400m more than it is worth.
Come on you are saying the state did not bail Madrid out?
I’m not being sentimental, I’m also not giving a shite if it’s big and shiney like Spurs stadium or this one for Madrid. Our worries are very much on the pitch not off it.
Ive said the seating needs improving and a lick of paint but a stadium is about the atmosphere at the end of the day. Cram as many people in as you can and the bricks and mortar matter little.
I don’t ever remember leaving old Trafford talking one minute about how it needs to totally redesigned into a Spurs cheese room with a cinema and some nice shops... I care about the football played first and foremost.