Genius.
Real Madrid and Barcelona's debt
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Yeah that’s what I was getting at really, the members approve the board and ultimately their actions. Which is crazy when as you point out, they are brainwashed by the Barca media
Fixed it for you.
Seriously now, I wouldn't put it past the regional government to declare Barsa an unalienable cultural cornerstone of the Catalan nation or something of the sort and let them not pay taxes or something of the like.
Meaning?
Cruyff would have been disgusted with the last seven or eight years of paying in excess of 100 million for players. Dembele, Coutinho, Grizman.
Barcelona were in the same situation in 2001-03, perhaps even worse.
They are a "country" (Catalonia) backed club, and La Caixa as always will lend them money. They already have Stegen, Araujo, De Jong, Pedri, and Ansu, and a 34 yo Messi (and his wage) will most likely move to Paris or Miami this summer. They will be fine.
They are a "country" (Catalonia) backed club, and La Caixa as always will lend them money. They already have Stegen, Araujo, De Jong, Pedri, and Ansu, and a 34 yo Messi (and his wage) will most likely move to Paris or Miami this summer. They will be fine.
He was already diagusted in 2014 with Messi's salary.
Its insane when you think about what the board had to do and how they cocked it up.
1. They have the greatest player of his generation at the club. Keep him happy (within reason).
2.Then build a support cast around him that will get the best out of him.
3. Stick to the philosophy of Barcelona and promote from la masia when you can. Tweak at la masia level if required when football demands change. I.e. very few la masia players make it to Barcelona first team. Most are sold on. Make sure there is a market for the players you are producing outside of Barcelona.
4. Hire a manager who will follow this philosophy but also would be cognisant to the changes in football tactics and tweak and adapt where required.
5. Expand, improve and maximise the stadium and infrastructure to get as much money in out of this golden period with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta.
What did they do? Utterly utterly ballsed it up. In hindsight, even now its difficult to know who Barcelona should have bought when Neymar left. Or when Xavi and Ineista retired. Id argue that David Silva was the only player i could think of who could have filled the gap that Iniesta left behind. A metronome like Xavi? I dont know. Maybe that was part of the problem as Xavi and Iniesta retired football at the highest was changing into a more physical game with insane pressing, think liverpool, bayern etc. Maybe Barcelona should have realised and moved woth the times and bought strong athletic midfielders to fill the voids in midfield. After all you have Messi. Make space for him, opportunities to pierce a defence and leave the rest to him to figure out.
I know i am rambling, but one last thing. Xavi said in a interview last season that Barcelona lack players in wide positions like Gnarby, Sane, Adama Toure etc. Whether that was a slight on Dembele i dont know. But it was interesting to get an inisght into what Xavi might implement at Barcelona post Messi (he wouldnt take the job while Messi was there).
1. They have the greatest player of his generation at the club. Keep him happy (within reason).
2.Then build a support cast around him that will get the best out of him.
3. Stick to the philosophy of Barcelona and promote from la masia when you can. Tweak at la masia level if required when football demands change. I.e. very few la masia players make it to Barcelona first team. Most are sold on. Make sure there is a market for the players you are producing outside of Barcelona.
4. Hire a manager who will follow this philosophy but also would be cognisant to the changes in football tactics and tweak and adapt where required.
5. Expand, improve and maximise the stadium and infrastructure to get as much money in out of this golden period with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta.
What did they do? Utterly utterly ballsed it up. In hindsight, even now its difficult to know who Barcelona should have bought when Neymar left. Or when Xavi and Ineista retired. Id argue that David Silva was the only player i could think of who could have filled the gap that Iniesta left behind. A metronome like Xavi? I dont know. Maybe that was part of the problem as Xavi and Iniesta retired football at the highest was changing into a more physical game with insane pressing, think liverpool, bayern etc. Maybe Barcelona should have realised and moved woth the times and bought strong athletic midfielders to fill the voids in midfield. After all you have Messi. Make space for him, opportunities to pierce a defence and leave the rest to him to figure out.
I know i am rambling, but one last thing. Xavi said in a interview last season that Barcelona lack players in wide positions like Gnarby, Sane, Adama Toure etc. Whether that was a slight on Dembele i dont know. But it was interesting to get an inisght into what Xavi might implement at Barcelona post Messi (he wouldnt take the job while Messi was there).
And to think that the Spanish were amongst the most vocal when it came to FFP.
Barcelona will refinance their debts and sell players. Will have to rely on La Masia kids for players which is probably a good thing long term. If was a normal business would just restructure and write off but can't do that in football.
The knock on effect will be the overall transfer market collapsing. There aren't any buyers in the market, covid destroyed the finances of pretty much all big clubs.
Free transfers or fees 50-75% lower than before covid will be the new normal.
The knock on effect will be the overall transfer market collapsing. There aren't any buyers in the market, covid destroyed the finances of pretty much all big clubs.
Free transfers or fees 50-75% lower than before covid will be the new normal.
Garcia's small, weak, slow. Think he's another Denis Suarez and will find his level at Betis, Levante etc.
Of course they were. They vastly overspent and now dont want to be pushed down the ladder when they cant afford it
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My understanding is that they were hypocritically wanting the likes of City and PSGs spending curbed due to increased competition, whereas their accounts show that they are the most frivolous spenders of all.
I could not be any less in favour of a super league. That idea is a disgrace to football.
If only Real and Barca got dumped into admin and relegated. Magnificent.
Messi 555 million in 4 yrs + 115 million as a signing bonus + 78 million other bonus
Ridiculous contract. How could any club sustain that?
I can't feel a shred of sympathy. Ridiculous money and desperation, Messi is bigger than the club and its their own fault.
Yikes. Messi will go down as one of the best footballers ever, but his club-cripplingly large contract will also be well remembered.
Wait, is that a new contract offer or is that what he's been on for the past 4 years?
Could Barca fans accuse Messi of being greedy and turn against him? (asking him to leave, etc)
or maybe it's happened already? because there's no way that kind of money won't hamper the club.
or maybe it's happened already? because there's no way that kind of money won't hamper the club.
Past 4
Well I suppose that's slightly better...
That works out at just under €3.6m a week - madness.
Costed 740 million € in 4 yrs + taxes, at the end around 1.4 billion
If somebody offered you half a billion you'd take it though. Surely the question should be what would he be willing to go down to next year, not about what's already happened? It's clear the club is in trouble financially and Messi could accept half that salary and still probably be the best paid footballer on earth!
Can't blame Messi.
Bartomeu offer this crazy deal, who would say no, really?
Won't get an offer near this amount next club.
Then again surely Messi has enough money? Will go play where it feels right to and can win CL as he wants to. Contract $$$ must be secondary.
Bartomeu offer this crazy deal, who would say no, really?
Won't get an offer near this amount next club.
Then again surely Messi has enough money? Will go play where it feels right to and can win CL as he wants to. Contract $$$ must be secondary.
Where do you get that from?
You can blame Messi. The clubs not offering those crazy deals for no reason, they're not being extra nice for the sake of it, its desperation to keep him happy and at the club. There's clearly a demand for such wages.
True. I'm just wondering if Barca fans are turning against him, haven't been following la liga since 2018. If they are, imagine turning against your club legend whos also the best footballer on the planet. Such a bizzare situation Barca have put themselves into. I remember just 4-5 years ago posters were talking about how they were managed perfectly as a club.
For me this is a ridiculous argument. Bartomeu should say no deal, we'll get La Masia kids in the team again instead. That is what made Barcelona successful in the first place and where Messi came from. Not the neo galacticto nonsense.
It's a management decision. Unless Messi is also running the club.
Well he's technically not, but....
Barca will try to sue them for an arbitrary figure, say $555m?
Do Barca even have the money for a court process?
Surprise, turns out having the highest percentage of revenue going towards wages out of any club in Europe is a bad idea,who knew? Their whole financial model essentially relied on winning everything every year with packed out stadiums to be able to sustain spending these wages. Its insanity from a business perspective. They're going to collapse so hard.
Wasn’t there a few articles a while back before Bartomeu resigned that the Board needed to leave the club in a sound financial position or run the risk or funding any insolvency from their own pockets? Can’t believe how incompetent you must be to run a club that size into the ground financially 
. Surely that’s just malpractice/a breach of fiduciary duty by those directors.
. Surely that’s just malpractice/a breach of fiduciary duty by those directors.Not sure it's true but it seems they don't play Coutinho atm to not pay 5mil to Liverpool.