I have issues with his behaviour, TBH I have not read much about his attitude in and around the team, but the same would apply to any player we are looking at , the right attitude and personality are just as important as bringing in quality
Rayan Cherki
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no brainer if it's a release clause
can we convince him with the club so low in the table and Dortmund also interested? Won't be easy
can we convince him with the club so low in the table and Dortmund also interested? Won't be easy
He'll come here over there I'd be very confident. I think he'll be class here the more I see of him and if Liverpool were interested I'd try and get in there before them. They have spotted a lot more bargains than us over the last 13 years.
I'd fancy Fergie to get this lad playing his best stuff and keeping him out of the media. I still don't think we have a dressing room to keep egos like this in check (depending on what his issues are) but I think we also need a few more moody win at all cost bastards who'll call people out and who can back it up with real flair and talent. The whole place had just become an exercise in PR and shutting up, taking the money and saying how we know we've got to do better...
Which manager do you feel could handle the big egos like this guy and Cunha then?
Oh yes please. In fact I'd be very excited if this turns out to be our summer window
--------------------Ugarte -------Bruno-------------------------
-- Frimpong ----------------------------------------- Dorgu --
--------------------Cherki---------Cunha------------------------
-------------------------------Delap---------------------------------
Cherki vs Wirtz will feed families unless bayern snatches the latter.
That would be decent!
The comments about Cherki’s attitude are completely missing the point.
Everyone at Lyon and french u21 teams say he’s a great character within a team.
The issue is he’s a player who is fuelled by love from his manager, that’s why he turned down Dortmund, because he didn’t feel wanted, and he has a tendency to do too much, although he’s been steadily improving and mature for the last 1,5 years
At 20m that’s a gamble I would gladly take
Everyone at Lyon and french u21 teams say he’s a great character within a team.
The issue is he’s a player who is fuelled by love from his manager, that’s why he turned down Dortmund, because he didn’t feel wanted, and he has a tendency to do too much, although he’s been steadily improving and mature for the last 1,5 years
At 20m that’s a gamble I would gladly take
I also read some comments from Lyon fans that stories about his toxic behaviour are complete BS.
Any credible links to us yet or ya’ll still just bickering about his attitude and work rate?
There are no release clauses in France.
Sounds perfect for Amorim then.
Also I have no idea how anyone can think he's a gamble at 20m. If he didn't have a release clause you'd be looking at at least 2x that price.
again with Delap? we need a proven goal scorer up top not another young project
the other three would certainly transform this attack
I don't think he has a RC, rather a verbal promise had been made by Lyon. That's why Dortmund couldn't get the deal over the line, because Lyon and Cherki were in disagreement about the exact fee. Cherki reportedly even brought a lawyer into it, at least that's what German media had been reporting.
Where is this coming from? The reliable German news outlet kicker reported that Cherki very much wanted to join Dortmund:
https://www.kicker.de/dortmunds-verpflichtung-von-cherki-geplatzt-1087769/artikel
If we managed to get him and Cunha in the AM roles with Bruno behind, even Hojlund would hit 30 a season 
If we managed to get him and Cunha in the AM roles with Bruno behind, even Hojlund would hit 30 a season
Shots?
If he got put through 30 times one on one he'd score most of them. It's his overall game that let's him down. He can't create the chances enough for himself and doesn't get the service needed to exploit his obvious finishing talent.
Yes, he is a good finisher, but really poor movement and instincts of where to be, alongside an inability to create for himself.
There was a moment against Newcastle when Shaw created some momentum down the left, Hojlund got a run in the left channel with Shaw overlapping, great chance to use the Shaw run to open space for a shot by making the defender defend the overlap. It had to be snappy and well timed though, Hojlund just let Shaw run past him while taking the ball in a straight line, made it so easy for the defender to know what he was going to do and block the shot.
Being a good finisher isn't enough.
That was my point.
I’ve thought the same. This just seems like the classic annual link we get to a player that makes so much sense to get given the supposed release clause, but just never materialises.
He looked talented in the last game. Have to say he didnt look the quickest though
could be a fatal flaw in a league as physical as the Premier League
could be a fatal flaw in a league as physical as the Premier League
Yeah, there's been a 'few' of these 'no-brainer'/low risk type signings for reasonable fees over the last few years which never materialised for us. I think a ton of it had to do with our lack of proper football structure/scouting structure, thus giving managers way too much power in transfers. Oh well, haven't seen a credible link to Cherki yet either. Althought, as below, I do think we lack a ton of athleticism in our side - but equally, creativity and technical ability, which Cherki has in abundance....low risk at the mooted fees.
Yeah, would be the 'only' concern with him. We already have a fairly 'slow' team.
And his character issues?
I don't really agree that we have a 'slow' team. To me, the issue isn't pace - it's that we lack strength and technical quality in key areas
We’ve got athletes. What we don’t have is someone who can break a low block with guile, and they way he takes care of the ball is not what we have in our squad.
I’d think that shouldn’t be much of an issue for him under Armorim. Seeing as he’d probably play as one of the 10’s.
We very much don’t have athletes. Pace, power and strength is the very definition of an athlete.
I'm just going on what i've read here bud - as I don't know much (if anything) about Cherki, really. Most who know more seem to 'downplay' any character issues, and he comes across as well-liked by his teammates and coaches? Alas, i can't comment much but if there were major red flags, it would definitely be of concern. Like his 'lack of workrate' is also a tad bit of a concern, as football's moved away from allowing anyone the freedom to walk about (unless you're prime Messi)
Yeah, I agree with you, though I would still be adamant its a bit of 'pace/physicality/athleticism' as well as technical ability/guile.
Fair enough. But if we are serious and that is a big IF lately, we do not just sign a Cherki and leave him stranded. We are already doing that to Bruno, surrounding quality with dross. You raise the overall level, build around their strengths... or what exactly are we doing?
His output is decent for the second worst side in the league. His hold up play and workrate and fitness is good, he can be a target man and run the channels, he's not too far from Gyokeres stylewise. Good player for our system, definitely with a room for development but already established PL striker. He will flourish in another system.
It's just not about G/A people are really shortsighted. You need a striker who can trap the ball, make a good run, harras defenders put them under pressure and Delap is that. And I am not saying he's a finished product but already useful player. He's not an academy graduate. If he was 50m he would be obviously too expensive and we could go for Gyokeres but for this money, we could build a better squad. Throw Cunha, Shick or Cherki in, we could improve our squad very smartly.
Wasn't meant to offend you. He just kinda reminds me of Sancho from what I'm reading, but at least he'd be much cheaper.
There is no real comparison with Sancho. His game depends heavily on beating his man to create. Cherki does not rely on that. He creates through movement, passing, silk touches and at times a strong finish. He has more variety and invention in his play.
Aren't we strongly linked with him? I'm sure there's a reason why the recruitment team are looking at this type of player.
As someone else mentioned he closely matches the style of Gyökeres but at a fraction of the price.
No offence bud
. My initial post someone replied to actually (tongue in cheek) asked about that....I've read comments on here around these 2 'concerns' and then seemingly people who know/watch him more, seemed to disagree with the 'attitude' bit. And overall, I don't really like commenting on things I really have very little clue about. So I just lurk, read and try and gain a better understanding.
clearly they are looking at him due to his age profile and what he costs .....is it good value for the money?
given the current personnel, i don't see Delap as being a proper fit for two reasons. His lack of pace to stretch teams would be an issue and given who we play as the two inside 10's, his hold up play/ability doesn't help either simply bc the two inside 10's don't have the ability or pace to make runs past him as the threat in behind.
i do agree...you bring in a Cunha and/or Cherki then Delap could make sense price wise as you surround him with 2 guys who can make things happen on the ball but ability to get in behind as well.
Yeah it's why we get bullied by opposition midfields far too often particularly that Newcastle one
French radio and basically everyone in France knows Cherki need to feel wanted by his coach, even though he’s starting to outgrow this trait
In fairness, Bruno is not exactly quick and has done just fine in the league. Cherki is the guy who'll be passing to the runners rather than getting on the end of them.
Yeah I can see that working, but we’ll need a bit more pace all in other areas.
Had another good game at the weekend. Nice goal, some lovely touches, should have had a couple of assists but Lacazette Zetted.
The fake-pass delay to create the space/angle at 0:57 is where he's really special. The picture he has of the game is beyond 99% of playmakers.
The fake-pass delay to create the space/angle at 0:57 is where he's really special. The picture he has of the game is beyond 99% of playmakers.
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