RAWK Goes Into Meltdown 24/25 Edition - AMAD Bunch of Scousers!

2 man midfield said:
They’d say the same thing after last night tbf. For years they were doing what we do these days - turn up for the big games and get a result, then lose to Portsmouth the week after. Consistency was always their problem in the league, they could always beat most teams on their day.
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I like it. Time for them to taste their own medicine. Hopefully we can do the same thing next season higher in the table.
 
tenpoless said:
I guess what makes it seem shit was that they often had bang average squad and players but somehow won against us multiple times even when we're miles ahead of them. Game raising bastards. Players like Riise, Bellamy somehow reached their peak when they played us. Then they went on assistless & goaless streak for 8 matches after that.
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That’s exactly it. They always rose their game in a way we often don’t.
 
Alex99 said:
That season, precisely once, away to Palace.

The following season, four times (Swansea away, Stoke home, Burnley home and Stoke away). Stoke at home they were in front by half time, Burnley at home by the hour mark, and Stoke away with about 20 to go, so it was hardly a string of "never say die" late comebacks.

It was twice the season after that. Leicester at home (level just after half-time, in front with 15 to go) and Palace away.

I don't think that 2-2 at home to West Brom was still present in the memory the season after, given it was four seasons prior and most of the squad that day were no longer at the club, and I'm not sure 7 more times over the next 2 and half seasons is particularly impressive.
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Up to last season it was 148 points won from losing positions, last season they added another 28 points to that. They won games or took 176 points losing positions during his tenure.

https://www.90min.com/posts/the-craziest-jurgen-klopp-statistics-liverpool

https://www.football365.com/news/mo...tions-premier-league-season-manchester-united

All I'm saying is that while It may have looked stupid at the time, the long term effect was to set the tone for how the crowd responded and reacted to urge the team on during his entire reign. It also set standards for the team and any new players that came in after had to have the same never give up attitude.
 
Oranges038 said:
So, when they stayed and they got that equaliser
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But they didn't. Pool were 2 up and conceded 2 late. I vividly remember because B365 pay out for a win when a team goes 2 up so I won my acca and Pool still ended up dropping points. It's my favourite ever bet.

I agree on the team building stuff but I'm still going to laugh at it.

Edit: I've got the wrong 2-2. My bad.
 
Alex99 said:
We've not come close to a flukey CL win, and they not only managed one, but reached a separate final, as well as the semi-finals in that time, and also had a far more consistent record in the league than us.
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True but getting to semi-finals and finals but not winning ultimately counts for little. Plus it was much easier to come 4th between 97 and 2007 than it has been the last decade or so.

Would you take more 4th place finishes and a few CL semi-finals over the 5 trophies we've won post Fergie?
 
stevoc said:
True but getting to semi-finals and finals but not winning ultimately counts for little. Plus it was much easier to come 4th between 97 and 2007 than it has been the last decade or so.

Would you take more 4th place finishes and a few CL semi-finals over the 5 trophies we've won post Fergie?
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We have 5 trophies in the cabinet. After Liverpool and City, we're the 3rd most successful team in England, despite being in our worst ever period since the 80s.

I would never swap those trophies for any top 4 or a CL semi final.
 
Sassy Colin said:
We have 5 trophies in the cabinet. After Liverpool and City, we're the 3rd most successful team in England, despite being in our worst ever period since the 80s.

I would never swap those trophies for any top 4 or a CL semi final.
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This post is a proof that this poster isnt Arteta for those who think so.
 
Sassy Colin said:
We have 5 trophies in the cabinet. After Liverpool and City, we're the 3rd most successful team in England, despite being in our worst ever period since the 80s.

I would never swap those trophies for any top 4 or a CL semi final.
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Me neither mate.
 
Oranges038 said:
Up to last season it was 148 points won from losing positions, last season they added another 28 points to that. They won games or took 176 points losing positions during his tenure.

https://www.90min.com/posts/the-craziest-jurgen-klopp-statistics-liverpool

https://www.football365.com/news/mo...tions-premier-league-season-manchester-united

All I'm saying is that while It may have looked stupid at the time, the long term effect was to set the tone for how the crowd responded and reacted to urge the team on during his entire reign. It also set standards for the team and any new players that came in after had to have the same never give up attitude.
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You're attributing them winning games from behind from 2018/19 onwards to the way they celebrated a 2-2 draw at home to West Brom in 2015, and not them having a far superior squad by that time?

You genuinely think Klopp leading Mignolet, Clyne, Lovren, Skrtel, Moreno, Benteke, Ibe and Lallana to celebrate that draw in front of the fans is the factor in their improved ability to come from behind, and not the fact they'd all been replaced by vastly superior players?
 
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stevoc said:
True but getting to semi-finals and finals but not winning ultimately counts for little. Plus it was much easier to come 4th between 97 and 2007 than it has been the last decade or so.

Would you take more 4th place finishes and a few CL semi-finals over the 5 trophies we've won post Fergie?
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But we're comparing a Liverpool side who did win cups, did get deep in the CL and did finish in the top four the vast majority of the time, to a United side that has won cups (and not the CL), not got deep in the CL, and not finished in the top four with any consistency.

This also isn't about what I'd prefer as a fan, this is just pointing out that, generally speaking, the Liverpool of that era, that we dominated, were otherwise a better, harder to beat side than we've been post-Fergie.
 
Ahmer Baig said:
I think this thread is about RAWK meltdown, so let's keep the discussion to that.
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To be fair, I tried to take the piss and was met with "their daft celebration of a home draw against West Brom was a good thing, actually"
 
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Alex99 said:
You're attributing them winning games from behind from 2018/19 onwards to the way they celebrated a 2-2 draw at home to West Brom, and not them having a far superior squad by that time?

You genuinely think Klopp leading Mignolet, Clyne, Lovren, Skrtel, Moreno, Benteke, Ibe and Lallana to celebrate that draw in front of the fans is the factor in their improved ability to come from behind, and not the fact they'd all been replaced by vastly superior players?
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It's not just about individual players or who was on the pitch. It's attributing the team spirit and mentality he instilled in his squad and the connection he generated with the fans and how it was built on moments like that. Klopp even said this is why he did that himself and when you look back on it, even though it looked shit at the time, he got the reaction he wanted.
 
Oranges038 said:
It's not just about individual players or who was on the pitch. It's attributing the team spirit and mentality he instilled in his squad and the connection he generated with the fans and how it was built on moments like that. Klopp even said this is why he did that himself and when you look back on it, even though it looked shit at the time, he got the reaction he wanted.
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As well as replacing all the dross with much better players.
 
Oranges038 said:
It's not just about individual players or who was on the pitch. It's attributing the team spirit and mentality he instilled in his squad and the connection he generated with the fans and how it was built on moments like that. Klopp even said this is why he did that himself and when you look back on it, even though it looked shit at the time, he got the reaction he wanted.
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It was almost certainly mostly down to having a much better set of individual players
 
Oranges038 said:
It's not just about individual players or who was on the pitch. It's attributing the team spirit and mentality he instilled in his squad and the connection he generated with the fans and how it was built on moments like that. Klopp even said this is why he did that himself and when you look back on it, even though it looked shit at the time, he got the reaction he wanted.
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This is not the Klopp appreciation thread. It's pretty much the exact opposite ffs
 
Alex99 said:
But we're comparing a Liverpool side who did win cups, did get deep in the CL and did finish in the top four the vast majority of the time, to a United side that has won cups (and not the CL), not got deep in the CL, and not finished in the top four with any consistency.

This also isn't about what I'd prefer as a fan, this is just pointing out that, generally speaking, the Liverpool of that era, that we dominated, were otherwise a better, harder to beat side than we've been post-Fergie.
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I know what you're saying mate I do. I'm not disagreeing that they were more consistent in the league, though as I said it was arguably easier to come in the top 4 back then. Or that they had a few decent CL campaigns.

All I'm saying is the bolded part still counts for nothing without it leading to winning anything. Fair enough they did win the CL in 2005, it was a fluke but they won it. But as bad as we've been the last 12 years that's all those Liverpool sides 97-09 have to show for it compared to us. In terms of trophies won it's similar with the CL win edging it for them.
 
I got limp reading the last few posts. That's not why I click this thread. Exact opposite in fact. Shame on you.
 
stevoc said:
I know what you're saying mate I do. I'm not disagreeing that they were more consistent in the league, though as I said it was arguably easier to come in the top 4 back then. Or that they had a few decent CL campaigns.

All I'm saying is the bolded part still counts for nothing without it leading to winning anything. Fair enough they did win the CL in 2005, it was a fluke but they won it. But as bad as we've been the last 12 years that's all those Liverpool sides 97-09 have to show for it compared to us. In terms of trophies won it's similar with the CL win edging it for them.
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Again, that's not the comparison I was making.

My whole point was even at our shittest in decades, we've still managed a better record against them than they did against us when we were on top, despite them being a generally better side than we are now.
 
Withnail said:
This is not the Klopp appreciation thread. It's pretty much the exact opposite ffs
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Some idiot on RAWK: "imagine celebrating a 2-2 draw at Anfield when you're not a shit team like Burnley"

Me: Video of Liverpool celebrating a 2-2 draw at Anfield against West Brom like they'd won the league

That poster: "well actually that was amazing from Klopp because..."
 
Alex99 said:
Again, that's not the comparison I was making.

My whole point was even at our shittest in decades, we've still managed a better record against them than they did against us when we were on top, despite them being a generally better side than we are now.
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OK fair enough mate.
 
Won the title thanks to zirkzee and Maguire, thank you Manchester united.
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We have regressed when facing Utd. Couldn't care less for the 7:0 and 5:0 victories. Last few games have been diabolical against them. It is like a normal middle-aged guy with decent job and beautiful wife and kids going back to highschool reunion facing the old bully. Form goes out of the window and bang - you are back in highschool. I am extremely interested how we bounce back from this EMBARASSING draw. Oh, and Trent - Godspeed - see you at Bernabeu.
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We made them looked like Barca when Messi was around.
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Conceding 2 goals against them is so *********** embarrassing. Even wolves managed to keep a clean sheet against them.
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Virgil should have gone full Keith Houchen with that header
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Are Liverpool a middle-aged guy with a beautiful wife or a gorgeous model that's certainly way better than that Spanish skunk? I'm confused.
 
Even when Liverpool were all-conquering in the 70's & 80's our record vs United was very poor - I am sure they never lost at Anfield during that period for a number of seasons. Even under Klopp we gave them some beatings at Anfield, but there were alot of draws also. Important to put this one behind us as soon as possible.
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This is the third time in the past few seasons we drop points against united when we’re in a title race.
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Robbo clinging on to that Amad or whatever his name is near the end, what was that all about, divvy.
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I think our reaction to this is as a result of PTSD from our title races with Man City.

Back before they were founded you could drop points and still win titles.
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Reminded me of games last season where there hacked clearances were turning into what looked like unbelievable passes because there is no shape to the game.

Annoyingly they dragged us down to there level again.
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Side note. After Salah scored that pen. He made me feel like he would never score at Anfield against united again. Like he was taking that feeling in one last time.
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Trent is being made a scapegoat because of the Real Madrid stuff - the whole side was flat today, bar a few individuals. That being said some of the stuff in here is ludicrous and nonsensical, considering how we have played previously & where we sit in the table. No context, perspective or rationale.
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Disagree about Trent being a scapegoat, he was genuinely an utter disgrace today.
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People on here have had their knives out for the guy constantly. There is little objectivity or balance when discussing him.
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Even a goat would have done better than Trent today, so there is no need to scapegoat him. I agree that the team were totally flat, but Trent was disgraceful.
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People are not just criticising him for him for his performance today though are they? There is a narrative when many discuss Trent & it just isn't balanced or objective.
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