so he is 16, why is he not pushing for a spot in reserves?? Is he physically not ready yet to play against men?
Ravel Morrison
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James, norwood, Davide petrucci....all knocking on the reserves door
Cleverly, drinkwater, tosic, Obertan (when he's fit).....when they come back (excluding tosic)
Gibson....
Basically at 16 we don't have to rush him, more so if his attitude is in question and the fact we've talent there
And Brady was in the last reserve squad so there's kids flooding in all the time. He might get a chance after xmas in the reserves but I don't think we're in a rush.
Cleverly, drinkwater, tosic, Obertan (when he's fit).....when they come back (excluding tosic)
Gibson....
Basically at 16 we don't have to rush him, more so if his attitude is in question and the fact we've talent there
And Brady was in the last reserve squad so there's kids flooding in all the time. He might get a chance after xmas in the reserves but I don't think we're in a rush.
He is on the fringes along with Brady and Tunnicliffe.
I think people will need to be patient. He is a talent but he tends to flit in and out of matches and isn't as physically developed as some of the other players.
He played for the reserves in the game in Scotland a few weeks back and hes eligible for the academy again next season. In general the club dont tend to push the academy lads into the reserves until they are in the second year of their scholarships with a few exceptions (Welbeck, Macheda) and even then he plays in midfield where we are very well stocked in even with Cleverley, and Drinkwater going out on loan we still James, Eikrem, Corry Evans, Brady, Hewson, Norwood all ahead of him at the moment.
People have gone a bit overboard on him based on some isolated performances or moments I think. He's a talent but he's playing his football where he should be right now - needs to find more consistency and become more of a team player before he's really going to be forcing his way into the reserves.
cheers lads, hopefully he can put in a good season and start knocking on the door of the ressies with consistent performances and improvement. He looks to have a lot of ability
Intersting quote in an article from Henry Winter about SAFs punishment
'This is the club boss who could supply more than half of England's starting XI in Ben Foster, Wes Brown, Rio Ferdinand, Michael Carrick, Owen Hargreaves and Rooney, let alone cultivating Ravel Morrison as a potential gem for 2014.
Better than Kieran Gibbs and Jack Wilshere, certainly up there with Jack Rodwell, if Morrison does emerge as the pre-eminent English footballer of his generation, it will be because of a certain Scot's shrewd guidance. '
Henry Winter: what Sir Alex Ferguson has done for English football deserves respect - Telegraph
'This is the club boss who could supply more than half of England's starting XI in Ben Foster, Wes Brown, Rio Ferdinand, Michael Carrick, Owen Hargreaves and Rooney, let alone cultivating Ravel Morrison as a potential gem for 2014.
Better than Kieran Gibbs and Jack Wilshere, certainly up there with Jack Rodwell, if Morrison does emerge as the pre-eminent English footballer of his generation, it will be because of a certain Scot's shrewd guidance. '
Henry Winter: what Sir Alex Ferguson has done for English football deserves respect - Telegraph
I guess that solves the whole "is Winter talking about Morrison" from his previous article on SAF. Nice to know he rates him so highly, though saying he's "better" than some other youngsters who haven't realised their potential yet seems somewhat silly.
Still, here's hoping that SAF keeps him on track
Still, here's hoping that SAF keeps him on track
Anyone who has seen Ra'vel Morrison play will know that he is supremely talented and up there with any other great prospect in England at the moment (of his age group). But I find it a little odd that Henry Winter has now mentioned him in two different articles (directly and indirectly) when you consider that he is only 16 and he plays for our Academy, has barely played for the Reserves and has never even got close to a first team call up.
I think it might say more about the current team to be honest (England). Where are the top young talents? It's not the gerrards or the lampards or the rooneys so much anymore
so looking at someone like Morrison might be an indication of his impressions of the young English talent coming through
I was suprised by the mention of jack whilshere or however it's spelt because he's looked exceptional and in first team friendlies too
True but to get the attentions of one of the most reputable journalists in the country and be spoken of as the hope of a generation ahead of others who have produced at first team level is a little perplexing. I hope no-one thinks that I'm putting Morrison down because I honestly believe the sky's the limit with him but this seems like too much, too soon by Winter when you consider that Morrison hasn't even started many Academy matches yet this season.
If I had to compare him to anyone, I'd say Joe Cole has a fairly similar style - quite often the journos have gotten themselves worked up that we produce that type of player all-too-rarely and perhaps this is Winter simply keen to see more of that style of player coming through?
I agree with you. Considering Winter himself has said Gibbs should be getting an England senior call up, I can't help but wonder how he could say an Academy level player is better than him. Morrison has fantastic potential, but I just don't get how Winter compares him to 3 young lads with senior first team experience.
I think he's talking more in terms of talent and ability.
Even at that you are comparing him to a left back and a DM/CB.
I reckon Morrison is a better winger than either Rodwell or Gibbs, but if I was looking for a defender I wouldn't be looking at Morrison!
As for Wilshire - is Morrison better than him? I'm not sure to be honest, the games I have seen wilshire in have been at a higher level than those I have seen Morrison in.
Gibbs is a recently converted left back. As far as I'm aware he was a centre midfielder coming through the age groups.
I've seen Wilshere a few times and he looks very promising. Quite a tough player for all his talent on the ball and lack of inches.
It's hard to compare ability of players, but Winter is usually a reasoned and educated observer and it's good to hear the opinion of someone independent.
Winter probably gets more inside info on United than most journos considering how he's always been fair to the club. He's probably being told by insiders that Fergie and co think Morrisson is an amazing talent.
It does not mean they are right of course. And hype is the last thing this boy needs right now. It's not helpful to be pegging a lad as a 2014 WC player when he has so
much to learn.
It does not mean they are right of course. And hype is the last thing this boy needs right now. It's not helpful to be pegging a lad as a 2014 WC player when he has so
much to learn.
The fact he maybe reputable doesn't distract from the fact he's a human who looks for different things like all of us.
I mean even we can look at Morrison and recognize his potential and it's not just that. He's got a very good style of play. He looks comfortable and confident.
That's just his opinion and that's ok though. I think he could make it but obviously we're looking at consistancy, increased involvement in games and a good attitude.
That journo maybe knows more about writing then what it takes to develop as a footballer? Either way let's hope he's proved right. I'm sure it's true that he's chatted with some of the coaches perhaps who probably rate him highly
I'm sure a newspaper a few years back printed that Danny Simpson would be first choice right back in a future World Cup. Not sure if it was 2010 or 2014......
But on Ravel aside from consistancy, I think he has all the talent to go as far as he wants to go. It just depends on how hard he is willing to work for it. First time I see him was a Victory shield tie against Northern Ireland and he played out on the wing and had an absoloute blinder, looking a step above most players around him.
It was the same in this summer at the Milk Cup tournament. For me he looked like the player that could produce a moment of magic from nothing, he again looked too good at that level and the only negative was having a little bit of a temperament issue. But he is only young and in comparison I wouldn't have Rooney any other way, so a little fire is good so long as controlled.
And here is the doapy article;
It's not all doom and gloom... | Mail Online
But on Ravel aside from consistancy, I think he has all the talent to go as far as he wants to go. It just depends on how hard he is willing to work for it. First time I see him was a Victory shield tie against Northern Ireland and he played out on the wing and had an absoloute blinder, looking a step above most players around him.
It was the same in this summer at the Milk Cup tournament. For me he looked like the player that could produce a moment of magic from nothing, he again looked too good at that level and the only negative was having a little bit of a temperament issue. But he is only young and in comparison I wouldn't have Rooney any other way, so a little fire is good so long as controlled.
And here is the doapy article;
It's not all doom and gloom... | Mail Online
I'd agree....Once again tonight we saw that this current generation (the SWPs, Jenus, Pennant etc crop) are basically a write of...The lost generation if you will...Whether it's because they aren't really good enough or whether it's the deeper lying factors of the baby bentley culture I don't know, but it's safe to say we'll be relying on the Golden Gen + Rooney yet again at this World Cup...So that is most likely the reason why the journo's are turning their attentions to the next crop (though Morrison is probably the next, next crop)....
Lets hope they're right...But lets wait a bit. Wellbeck was talked about in almost identical terms when he was 15 and we're still waiting for him to get there, so lets count one egg at a time and wait for them to hatch first
Wright-phillips I don't know what happened to him, but the rest were average. Poor generation, can't wait to see the back of them.
bridge is decent but unproven as an England international, Jenas for me isn't an international, Milners good but even he's got to step up and score more often for villa. Lennons good but does he score enough?
Heskey, crouch, defoe, bent.....a real serious lack of proven quality. That crouch is Englands best after Rooney maybe is a worry..
What I like about Morrison, he looks comfortable on the ball and I think that ability is something a lot of the current shite lack. It's ok to talk about winning the world cup but you have to train not just for fitness but to actually improve
I think too many English players are lazy and don't improve. I'm sure the fact Ravels at United helps because our kids have stepped up
Heskey, crouch, defoe, bent.....a real serious lack of proven quality. That crouch is Englands best after Rooney maybe is a worry..
What I like about Morrison, he looks comfortable on the ball and I think that ability is something a lot of the current shite lack. It's ok to talk about winning the world cup but you have to train not just for fitness but to actually improve
I think too many English players are lazy and don't improve. I'm sure the fact Ravels at United helps because our kids have stepped up
In the interview with Robbie Brady at the homepage, Brady says Massacci is the best trainer, while Morrison is the worst trainer. That's probably one of the biggest problems with Morrison. He has all the ability and potential to be a huge star, but wether he makes it or not, is up to himself. He needs to work extremely hard and always get his head right..
I guess the incident where he was stopped in a car with the wannabe gangsters is colouring my thoughts on the boy a lot. It was not a sign of someone out to impress his club and make the most of the opportunity ahead of him.
I wouldn't read too much into that. I'm sure it's all very tongue-in-cheek. Every other player lists Kiko as the worst trainer and yet no one has improved more than he has over the past 2 years.
Here is a piece I wrote on Morrison after seeing him, If Winter and various other journos think he can make it and he is held in such high regard by United staff, I have high hopes for him
‘The Boy’s Got Skills’ – Man United’s Ravel Morrison | FootballFanCast.com
‘The Boy’s Got Skills’ – Man United’s Ravel Morrison | FootballFanCast.com
Did they ever reveal if the firearm was his or not? Maybe he was just hanging out with the wrong crowd.
I heard it was an air rifle and his friend had some cannabis and the press made it into a big gun and drugs story because there was a united player involved not sure how true it is though
TheGame - Times Online - WBLG: Sir Alex Ferguson right to keep his faith in young ones
Another journalist adds to the Morrison hype by giving the 16 year old a mention.
Odd that he's getting so much hype considering how little he's achieved up to now, but I suppose that's what's wrong with football (and football journalists in particular) these days...
Or how little English talent there is coming through...
One way to remedy that is to actually start promoting good English youngsters and giving them the chance
I wish they'd just leave him alone. I doubt the mass hype will do him any good.
Besides, the timing for the hype to reignite is a bit odd, it's as if some of the tossers in the media have just briefly heard about him now and have decided to jump on the bancwagon, which left a year ago.
Besides, the timing for the hype to reignite is a bit odd, it's as if some of the tossers in the media have just briefly heard about him now and have decided to jump on the bancwagon, which left a year ago.
Totally agree. Unfortunately it's the nature of our press and quite a few on this site to build a player up, then knock him down.
Probably the same throwaway comment by that first hack, seized upon and recycled by the rest of them.
SAF talking about some of the academy players who are 'excelling':
"and Ravel Morrison of course, everyone knows about Ravel"
"and Ravel Morrison of course, everyone knows about Ravel"
It was on this weeks Young Gifted & Red. He mentioned Petrucci, Pogba, Keane, Cofie and King too. It was just interesting the 'everyone knows' bit about Morrison.