Interesting move by Rene...... not sure why Morrison would want to move from one shite team in a relegation battle to another one mind.
Ravel Morrison - Fulham bid rejected.
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Interesting move by Rene...... not sure why Morrison would want to move from one shite team in a relegation battle to another one mind.
Rene probably hoping his relationship with the player will be enough to lure him.
Better for him to stay at West Ham for now and if he wants a move to push it through in the Summer. I'd back Big Sam over Rene in a relegation battle and Fulham are needing a squad overhaul regardless of relegation.
How much does a bid need to be to bump his wages up making it impossible for West Ham to keep him?
If that clause thing was true it was £10m.
Cheers.
Will we get any percentage of what being paid for his next move?
Fulham play better football than West Ham, it might suit Ravel's style more. I get your point about relegation though, he's not certain of prem football next season if he plays for either club!
I'm surprised that the supposed front-runners for his signature are Cardiff and Fulham when they are in the relegation mire anyway. If I was him, I wouldn't see the allure of joining a team one place above West Ham or one below, if not to just join up with Rene or Ole, which from a footballing perspective would probably enhance his progression.
Still, if he realises his potential, joining a top Premier League side is surely imminent. May as well bide his time.
Still, if he realises his potential, joining a top Premier League side is surely imminent. May as well bide his time.
Can't remember too many tapping-up complaints being made since we made one about Madrid concerning Ronaldo, be interesting to see how the Premier League handle this.
Very interesting... Does anyone know the definition of 'tapping up', I know essentially what it is, but what are the rules exactly? Not sure how Rene has infringed here.
The 'tapping up' rules are ludicrous. Why stop someone speaking with prospective employers? It'll happen - get over it. You wonder why football takes so much effort in pretending the world isn't how it is.
It's shit like this that makes the prospect of the whole concept of contracts being blown out of the water and true freedom of movement for footballers a realistic one. Okay players are under contracts but to BAN them from either talking with prospective employers just fecking ridiculous.
It's shit like this that makes the prospect of the whole concept of contracts being blown out of the water and true freedom of movement for footballers a realistic one. Okay players are under contracts but to BAN them from either talking with prospective employers just fecking ridiculous.
Imagine the reaction if Moyes said this.
Well if an offer was actually made and rejected then any comments about that offer can not be seen as tapping up. Now the comments about Ravel wanting to come to Fulham, if West Ham had never given them permission to talk to Ravel then the question becomes how do they know he wants to come there?
But end of the day I bet nothing comes of the charges.
do dislike this opinion that football should be treated the same as any other job.
In other jobs you don't have to buy anyone, you don't have month or 3month notice periods, and you're usually not paid massive money. Footballers are not slaves in this set up, so different rules apply.
I'm surprised some greedy footballer twat hasn't gone to court and insisted that they should have 1month notice like a lot of normal employees. Imagine the carnage if that happened!
I'm not saying treat it like any other job but it's this paranoid bollocks that'll spur on those who wish to make legal challenges to have it treated that way. An individual has a right to consider his options and know what's available elsewhere. The more football tries to implement these obscene restrictive practices on their employees the more likely it is that eventually they'll want to blow the whole charade out of the water. As it is the present reality probably only exists through consensus. Could you really seeing the current situation remaining in place if footballers decide to challenge the status quo through the legal process at European level?
It's a trade off that's mutually beneficial but shite like this where we insist that a player isn't even allowed to make informed decisions on who he plays for - is what might be what tips the balance and then we really would be fecked. So I'd rather put up with the horror of a footballer knowing another club wants to buy him than risk the entire basis of the game crumble when footballers or their representatives decided they're fecked off with this obsessively restrictive practice.
It's hypocritical bollocks too. Do you think West Ham bid for players and then after think "Oh he actually wants to join? feck me that's a bit of luck!", of course they don't.
It's a trade off that's mutually beneficial but shite like this where we insist that a player isn't even allowed to make informed decisions on who he plays for - is what might be what tips the balance and then we really would be fecked. So I'd rather put up with the horror of a footballer knowing another club wants to buy him than risk the entire basis of the game crumble when footballers or their representatives decided they're fecked off with this obsessively restrictive practice.
It's hypocritical bollocks too. Do you think West Ham bid for players and then after think "Oh he actually wants to join? feck me that's a bit of luck!", of course they don't.
Also remember that If true that bump in wages would cost west ham about 50k a week so only around 2m extra until the summer when one suspects he may well be worth in excess of 12m
Actually less than £1m as there are only 24 weeks to go and his wages would go up by £38k a week (if alleged clause is genuine).
Would allowing players to talk to other clubs freely reduce the influence of agents?
It'd probably just make agents stir up more shit and push more players towards more clubs.
A team with Morrison, Taarbt and Berbatov has the potential to implode bigtime. Last week the latter two started at home to Sunderland and from the second I saw their names together on the teamsheet it was obvious Sunderland would beat them well.
Dangerous game from Rene. Then again if the other two leave in this window the situation might not be as bad.
Dangerous game from Rene. Then again if the other two leave in this window the situation might not be as bad.
Taarabt hardly been used this season, Berbatov is the one who wants out and who has been a big disappointment this year so Morrison coming in to replace him would not be a bad move. Fulham still have plenty of experienced Premiership players in central midfield and attack, they need to strengthen the back four which leaks so many goals and is full of players who are either not good enough or well passed their best.
They have one of the most imbalanced squads in the league, filled with players who are either past their best or don't look like they give a shit. I had completely forgotten Rodallega plays for them. He barely seems to play for them. It's hard to know would sign Ravel even make much of a difference.
I remain far from convinced that Meulensteen isn't an imbecile.
Trying to sign a volatile, moody kid who's currently sulking because his team might get relegated, to help battle against relegation, isn't exactly helping his case.
Neither is saying "yes I think he does want to come" about a player who you supposedly haven't been given permission to talk to yet. It might not be tapping up but it'll certainly make West Ham more determined not to sell him to Fulham.
Trying to sign a volatile, moody kid who's currently sulking because his team might get relegated, to help battle against relegation, isn't exactly helping his case.
Neither is saying "yes I think he does want to come" about a player who you supposedly haven't been given permission to talk to yet. It might not be tapping up but it'll certainly make West Ham more determined not to sell him to Fulham.
He's remarkably like that annoying fitness wanker who keeps arriving late to the party with his pearls of wisdom. Verheijen?
The commentator on Sky for the Derby v QPR match said that QPR are apparently in talks with West Ham to get him on loan.
He'll never make it as a top pro IMO. His gangsta ways will always be more important to him.
His form was hugely overrated at the stat of the season, proper highlights player stuff. When you actually watched him in games you realised the odd clip looks good because he tries the audacious and unnecessary constantly, and ended up losing the ball a lot. I recall the England Lithuania under 21 game and it was genuinely one of the most selfish performances i've ever seen, he ended up getting praised of course because one or two things actually worked but his overall game was terrible. Gave the impression he really couldn't care less about the team.
The English Adel Taraabt
He just isn't that good, that's all there is to it. If it was all about talent then Robinho would have won the Balon D'or already. He has tidy technique, but that aside, there's not an awful lot on show.
Morrison could be a great player but needs to sort his head out. He's playing with players who aren't as good as he's used too. The game he played for United, he showed really good promise. Someone like that needs great players around him so his form for west ham etc doesn't really matter. The talent is there. It's just the maturity, desire and getting games.
A move to Fulham would be a waste of time for him. He needs to mature but maybe he wants to be around Rene incase Moyes asks about him. Who knows but we didn't imagine his ability.
A move to Fulham would be a waste of time for him. He needs to mature but maybe he wants to be around Rene incase Moyes asks about him. Who knows but we didn't imagine his ability.
He's ridiculously selfish on the ball but has incredible technique and in there somewhere is a potentially world class player waiting to be developed. Problem with Ravel is that his attitude stinks. That is so patently obvious. The kid is just a gigantic bellwhiff. I think he's going to piss away these most important, formative years of his career. He should've been learning his trade alongside world class players like Rooney and Mata. Instead he's getting loaned away from Hoofball United to a championship side. He'll probably be 24 or 25 before he wakes up and smells the coffee and as a result I doubt he'll ever come even close to fulfilling his potential. Destined to believe his own hype, be a "what if?' player through his occasional cracker for the highlights reel.
Mentality is so vital in making it to the top. We've seen it all before a million times.
Mentality is so vital in making it to the top. We've seen it all before a million times.
This is really interesting:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/feb/15/ravel-morrison-west-ham-united-waste
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/feb/15/ravel-morrison-west-ham-united-waste
It's interesting but incredibly far-fetched. We're also only getting one side of the story (Morrison's) I find it very hard to believe that a manager under as much pressure as Allardyce would deliberately ostracize one of his most talented young footallers because he wouldn't change his agent. Most likely to be one of those situations where the slight is perceived, rather than real. With Morrison's record of acting the maggot it's not unlikely that he would create a drama for no good reason.
Are you being serious?
Mental aspects are more important than talent in this game in most walks of life actually.
You can have all the ability in the world but if you aren't in the rat eplace mentally you wo't fulfil your talents.
Morrison is 21 years old, he is West Ham's top scorer this season and there was talk of him going to the World Cup earlier this season. You don't get called the best young player at this club since Scholes if your 'not that good'. Robinho didn't make it for a couple of reasons, not having talent wasn't one of them.
From the story i've read he is actually innocent in the matter, but once you have been painted with a certain brush it's hard to convince people that you have changed. He needs to be at a team with real aspirations of playing for Europe, he is too good for West Ham.
There's a reason that its the likes of Fulham and Qpr linked with him rather than Arsenal
If the agent thing is true, Morrison should really be going straight to the PFA - this is pretty much what it exists for.
Read my post again. You're essentially agreeing with my overall implication. Your "Robinho not having talent wasn't one of them" line is arguing against something I never said.
Even so, Morrison doesn't do enough on the pitch. He has skill and a good first touch, but he doesn't really do all that much. He just isn't that good.
Said this the other day but it's a bit a a nonsense article by Taylor's standards. He did a similar one when Morrison left United which was full of, at best, half truths in order to paint Morrison as some kind of victim.
Again, said this in the other thread, but my mate was at the same warehouse party/nightclub as Morrison only a few months ago. She spoke to him there, which would be hard to do if he was staying away from nightclubs.
Also, I struggle to understand how Fulham having "hard evidence" that Morrison was advised to leave West Ham, somehow helps them prove that they hadn't spoken to him or his agent without West Ham's permission. It proves the opposite, which means they wouldn't have admitted that to anyone, which means Taylor's either made it up or been badly advised (i.e. Morrison or his current agent have been feeding Taylor inaccurate inormation, which seems to the more likely scenario).
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