Ratings vs Chelsea

Van Der Sar - 6 - I was disappointed with him for Drogba's goal, which was really straight at him

Neville - 4 - terrible, attacked well in last 10 minutes, but was terrible
Ferdinand - 8 - excellent in my opinion, sometimes poor distribution
Vidic - 8 - strong
Evra - 7 - attacked well, defended poorly (positionally he is very poor sometimes)

Valencia - 5 - take on your fecking man, also when turning back turn your body so you can pass either way and pass before the defender gets in!
Scholes - 6 - was on the ball the whole time but was wasteful a lot
Fletcher - 6 - 4 for awful first half display, 8 for good second half display
Giggs - 5 - came into it but gave the ball way at an alarmingly consistent rate

Berbatov - 5 - did nothing much and wasted a golden opportunity when he was really needed

Subs:
Macheda - 6 - scored
Nani - 6 - set one up then was wasteful
Gibson - 10 - brilliant


Overall, I thought it was a dire first half performance. I don't blame the officials, we were too poor in the first half and didn't deserve to win. A much improved second half.
 
Van der Sar - 7
Evra 7 -
Vidic - 7
Ferdinand - 6
Neville - 5

Giggs - 4
Scholes - 5
Fletcher - 7
Valencia - 6
Park - 4.5

Berbatov - 5.5

Subs

Macheda -6
Nani - 7
Gibson - 5
 
Name Changed said:
He is often our worst defender. He is more like a winger playing left back!

Saying that, I thought Neville was terrible.
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I thought he did OK defensively. Going forward his crossing was woeful, but I think he does well to create space for Valencia, who then doesn't use it at all. Two good crosses I can remember from that side, and both were from Neville. One overlap where he got it out to Berba who headed a difficult header wide, and then the cross in the last minutes to Berba who hit a volley with his knee or something.
 
kikks said:
I thought he did OK defensively. Going forward his crossing was woeful, but I think he does well to create space for Valencia, who then doesn't use it at all. Two good crosses I can remember from that side, and both were from Neville. One overlap where he got it out to Berba who headed a difficult header wide, and then the cross in the last minutes to Berba who hit a volley with his knee or something.
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It always has been.
 
Brwned said:
Evra was our worst defender today so feck knows how he's getting such high ratings...
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I'd agree with this. There was one moment near the end Kalou was facing him and he basically just showed him a path through the centre which for some reason Kalou didn't want to take. Obviously good going forward but liability at the back.
 
vuc said:
I'd agree with this. There was one moment near the end Kalou was facing him and he basically just showed him a path through the centre which for some reason Kalou didn't want to take. Obviously good going forward but liability at the back.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. He's tired. played almost every game this year. The lad needs a rest! He's one of our best players.
 
Feed Me said:
It always has been.
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Come on now, he's been much better in his latter years. 2006/7 he was great (WARNING! This might be the result of a selective memory).

His crosses this year have been generally good as I can recall, but today they were shit.
 
I thought first half we weren't sure who was playing where. Park, Giggs and Berbatov seemed all over the place. No wonder Fletcher looked out of in the first period as he was trying to cover for so many other people. We had a better set up in the second half and it shoed in our improved play.

Van Der Sar - Nothing to do really 6
Neville - I thought he did fine...tried to overlap...constantly supporting Valencia...7
Rio - Solid 8
Vidic - Solid 8 MOTM
Evra - Poor game by his standards, still gets caught defensively...looked tired 6
Giggs - Not of your best Ryan 6
Fletcher - Cancelled out Lampard in first half but came more into the game 7
Scholes - Just not his game...when Scholesie starts missing passes then...6
Park - Ran a lot and showed willing but we need more than that against Chelsea 5
Valencia - Didn't do that much wrong but didn't create anything either 6
Berbatov - his control and ability is not in question....neither is the fact that he cannot lead our line....5

Subs:

Doesn't really matter as the whole team didn't really turn up today.

It was obvious within the first 20 minutes that we were losing midfield. Most around me were calling for Carrick to replace Scholes half way through the first half and nothing that happened after that changed our minds.
 
kikks said:
Come on now, he's been much better in his latter years. 2006/7 he was great (WARNING! This might be the result of a selective memory).

His crosses this year have been generally good as I can recall, but today they were shit.
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Nope. Mine's not a knee jerk reaction either. I have always maintained that it's an extremely disappointing facet of his game.
 
VDS - 6

Neville - 6
Vidic - 7
Rio - 7
Evra - 7

Valencia - 6
Giggs - 5
Feltcher - 5
Scholes - 5
Park - 6

Berbatov - 5

Nani - 7
Macheda - 6
 
Feed Me said:
Nope. Mine's not a knee jerk reaction either. I have always maintained that it's an extremely disappointing facet of his game.
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Maybe so. Still don't think they've been consistently as bad as today, though.
 
Name Changed said:
Giggs - 5 - came into it but gave the ball way at an alarmingly consistent rate
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He often does. More often than people might realise because he will frequently do something amazing that takes the attention away from it.
 
VDS - 6 - Couldn't see how he did for the second goal but didn't seem to do much wrong.

G Nev - 4 - He belongs in the past it line up.
Evra - 6 - Did an ok job offering some threat in the fist half down the left and looked better when he had somebody in front of him (when Nani came on)
Rio - 6 - Had an average performance
Vidic - 7 - Great in the air

Scholes - 4 - Belongs in the the past it club. Can't tackle and if closed down early either looses it or misplaced pass
Fletcher - 3 - He no longer even hassles (apparently he is now our creative midfielder). Not good enough for a utd first 11 (well prior to the Glazer's anyway). outmuscled in the box for the first and kind of gave up for that?
Valencia - 6 - some good control but had very little options in the box
Giggs -4 past it club. terrible performance, should not have started

Park - 5 - Is not good enough for our first 11
Berbatov - 5 - Defended him all season but enough is enough

subs

Nani - 7 - should have started (especially given Rooney's absence)
Macheda - 6 - Not the finished article
Gibson - 6 - n/a

When the OT crown are getting excited about a throwing in the oppositions half you really need to worry.
 
Van der Sar - 6 - Can't be blamed for either goal

Evra - 6 - Couple of nice runs but no end product, average defensively
Vidic - 7 - Won everything in the air and looked comfortable all game
Ferdinand - 7- Ditto
Neville - 5 - Caught out for pace on occasion and wasted the ball constantly but read the game well at times

Giggs - 6 - Lots of wasted passing and looked sluggish for much of the game, tenacious in the tackle though and improved on the ball in the last 20 minutes
Scholes - 6 - Played some nice balls/played some awful ones, clumsy in the tackle and at times the game seemed to pass him by
Fletcher - 7 - Off the pace in the first half but seized the initiative for us in the second
Valencia - 5.5 - Did ok defensively but ran up a dead end time and again in attack
Park - 5 - Very quiet game, made one nice pass but was mostly lost

Berbatov - 5 - Not much of a box threat movement-wise and lacks sharpness, but we'll never get the best out of him in the lone role if we don't get runner from midfield for him to play in when he comes deeper

Subs:

Nani - 7 - Threatening from the moment he came on and created the little bit of magic in attack to get us sparking

Macheda - 7 - Can't ask much more of an 18 year old on as sub, good direct move to set Nani off and then powered into the box to force the ball over the line
 
HsJ said:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. He's tired. played almost every game this year. The lad needs a rest! He's one of our best players.
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Likewise I will say again that Evra is (at times) a liability defensively. I take the point that he needs a rest but even that won't make a difference to his positional faults.
 
Defense - 6 (Evra - 4)
midfield - 4 (Fletcher -5)
Berba -5

Nani - 6
Macheda - 6
Gibson - (see midfield)
 
VDS - 6

Neville - 5 - Poor in first half.
Vidic - 7 - Was ok.
Rio - 6 - Best defender in the world.Right.
Evra - 6 - Terrible defending.Good going forward

Valencia - 6 - Average.
Giggs - 4 -Best passer for Chelsea.Why was he not taken off
Feltcher - 6 -
Scholes - 5 - Poor
Park - 5 -

Berbatov - 5 - did anyone expect him to win the game for us?

Nani - 7 -
Macheda - 7 - Should play against Bayern
 
Van der Sar - 7
Evra 7 -
Vidic - 7
Ferdinand - 6
Neville - 5

Giggs - 4
Scholes - 5
Fletcher - 6
Valencia - 5
Park - 5

Berbatov - 5

Subs

Macheda -6
Nani - 7
Gibson - 5

Nani should have started and possibly Carrick as he couldn't have been any worse that Giggs. A flat, tired performance but we perhaps should have sneaked a draw.
 
5's for all the starters, they were all equally rubbish. 7's for the early subs, added pace to what was a static performance.
 
VDS ok, wanted to win but has a problem when the likes of drogba fire the ball straight at him 6
NEVS tried very hard but the years are catching up with him. Was decent in spells and I don't think Rafael would've done much better 5
VIDIC a couple of dodgy clearances but otherwise did pretty well 6
RIO good game 8
EVRA good attacking and plenty of effort, played more of a midfield role and positioning was woeful at times considering he's a left back. Wanted to win desperately. 8 for effort 4 for not really doing his job as a left back.(maybe Fergie might reconsider his position? Left midfield might just suit better???)
GIGGS very poor first half, couple of nice moves in the second. More worried about hurting his arm than winning the league unfortunately 5
SCHOLES passed better than anyone else in the team (which isn't really much of a compliment) didn't get much of a chance to get forward(not his fault) and tried his heart out as usual. Probably pissed off cos the rest of the team was fairly inept. Frustrated legend. 7
FLETCHER again, tried his heart out. Unfortunately didn't work without enough support 6
PARK plays much better with Rooney to give him some muscle. Was lost today 4
VALENCIA looked lost without a fast target man, tried hard but was fairly one dimensional. Not his fault. 5
BERBATOV NOT a target man, would've been better in Parks role as he can tackle reasonably and bring play together. Absolute disaster in this role and the sooner Fergie sees that the better before we totally feck things up this season. Needs a partner to be at his best, no point in slagging him. However, should get his stud problem sorted out, apparently he's a pro. 3
SUBS
MACHEIDA scored, good confidence and should be given a chance with more than enough 'old hands' around to guide him 6
NANI should have started, provided some badly needed arrogance 7
GIBSON final throw of the cards, didn't work down to lack of confidence, experience, talent? Who knows, just didn't work today and most likely probably never will. He's no Roy Keane and never wil be. 3(and for someone that barely touched the ball is very kind.)
 
Van der Sar - 6 - Offside or not, and regardless of how powerfully struck it was, he has to do better for the second goal. It was almost straight at him, but he just dropped to his knees, and didn't get a firm hand on it.

Evra - 7 - Tried his best, and worked hard in an offensive sense. Defensively suspect at times, and his crossing was really poor.
Vidic - 8 - Did everything he needed to.
Ferdinand - 7- Excellent other than letting Malouda stroll past him for the first.
Neville - 4- Poor in almost every way. He was gotten at defensively, time and again, and his usually good crossing deserted him.
Giggs - 5 - When he's good he's very good, and when he's poor, he's tough to watch. He gave the ball away far too often, and some of his decision making was well below his usual standards.
Scholes - 5- Spent the afternoon chasing the game. Bad movement ahead of him meant he didn't have as many options as he would have liked, but he's far, far better than that.
Fletcher - 6 - Shocking in the first, much better in the second. But the way Malouda just strolled away from him for the first would worry me. He looks jaded at exactly the wrong time of the season.
Valencia - 6- Looked like a pub player in the first half, but got better as the second wore on. He should have tested Zhirkov more.
Park - 6 - Against a team with a good midfield, and an auxillary centre-half in Mikel, he couldn't find the space to hurt them. I don't like him playing in this central, playmaking role.
Berbatov - 5- A lamb to Terry and Alex's slaughter. He's only a lone frontman of any sort when we play weak teams. Wasted a great chance right at the end. Got next-to-no service for most of the game.


Subs

Nani - 7 - Looked very lively. I would have started him against Ferreira. He had the beating of him.
Macheda - 7 - It was only a little handball. Got involved well, and looked very sharp.
Gibson - 5 - "Go out there and try score a thirty yard screamer to save us, will you, Gibbo".
 
Starting 11

Van Der Sar - 7 - Alright
Evra - 7 - Ordinary
Vidic - 7 - Solid
Ferdinand - 7 - Average
Neville - 2 - Dreadful

Giggs - 3 - Wasteful
Scholes - 4 - Poor
Fletcher - 6 - Energetic
Valencia - 6 - Underwhelming
Park - 5 - Unremarkable

Berbatov - 5 - Prosaic

Substitutes

Macheda - 7 - Alert
Nani - 8 - Threatening
Gibson - 5 - Played
 
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Starting 11

Van Der Sar - 7 - Alright
Evra - 7 - Ordinary
Vidic - 7 - Solid
Ferdinand - 7 - Average
Neville - 2 - Dreadful

Giggs - 3 - Wasteful
Scholes - 4 - Poor
Fletcher - 6 - Energetic
Valencia - 6 - Underwhelming
Park - 5 - Unremarkable

Berbatov - 5 - Prosaic

Substitutes

Macheda - 7 - Alert
Nani - 8 - Threatening
Gibson - 5 - Played
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Don't know how you can rate Giggs below most of the team, there were others far worse effortwise starting with a B. At least Giggs chose the right studs.
 
VDS - 6 - Nothing to do

Neville - 4 - Maluda killed him
Rio - 6 - It was his mistake for the goal... Drop of concentration in that momment
Vidic - 8 - Great
Evra - 7 - Good game today

Valencia - 6 - Not good enough
Giggs - 6 - Exept for the last moments of the game he wasn't very good
Scholes - 4 - Bad passes, lack of motivation and inspiration....
Fletcher - 6 - Run a lot but for nothing
Park - 6 - Poor decesion making

Berbatov - 5 - Not a big game player PERIOD.

subs:

Nani - 8 - Briliant.... Must have been in starting line up
Macheda - 7 - Scored a goal
Gibson - /

Fergie - 5 - Not starting Nani was a bad call together with the decesion in starting with Scholes and Giggs at the same time.... He must have chancged the team after 50 min of play... I would have changed Scholes after 30 minutes today
 
VDS, 7 - apart from the goals was he called upon to do anything?

Neville, 6 - age may be creeping up on him, but he wasn't as bad as some are making out.
Rio, 7 - not an awful lot to do really. Did what he had to do well
Vidic, 7 - same as Rio really, not a lot of work for him today
Evra, 5 - yes he may be tired, but some of his performances of late have been similar to those when he first arrived, dreadful. Has forgot how to defend.

Valencia, 6 - the other week I praised him for his tracking back and assisting Neville out, didn't help today. Has lost all his form.
Fletcher, 6 - ran around alot, but didn't do much and like Valencia isn't in great form.
Scholes, 5 - from the dawn of time Scholes has had the occasional bad game, we can count them on one hand I guess, but we can add this one to it.
Giggs, 5 - coming back from injury, the rich vein of form he had prior to injury has deserted him like so many in the midfield.

Park, 6 - had one or two good games in this central position, but isn't the answer for that role. Not quick enough or creative enough to play the role behind the striker.

Berbatov, 6 - one bit of magic was produced out on the wing. I guess that summed him up today. Should have burried that chance late on.

subs
Nani, 7 - another assist from him today. I thought Fergie was right to start him on the bench, but when he came on added the spark the team had been missing.
Macheda, 7 - looks like a player who's hardly played for a while, but knows where the goal is and added some imagination and flair to a languid team.
Gibson, 5 - brought as he was as good a shout as any to score, but didn't get much chance to do anything.
 
Starting 11

Van Der Sar - 7
Evra - 7
Vidic - 7
Ferdinand - 7
Neville -4


Giggs - 5
Scholes - 5
Fletcher - 7
Valencia - 5
Park - 6

Berbatov - 6

Substitutes

Macheda - 7
Nani - 8 -
Gibson - 4
 
VDS - 6

Neville - 5
Vidic - 7
Rio - 7
Evra - 6

Valencia - 6
Giggs - 5
Feltcher - 6
Scholes - 5
Park - 5

Berbatov - 3

Subs:

Nani - 6
Macheda - 6
 
ntripunovski said:
VDS - 6 - Nothing to do

Neville - 4 - Maluda killed him
Rio - 6 - It was his mistake for the goal... Drop of concentration in that momment
Vidic - 8 - Great
Evra - 7 - Good game today

Valencia - 6 - Not good enough
Giggs - 6 - Exept for the last moments of the game he wasn't very good
Scholes - 4 - Bad passes, lack of motivation and inspiration....
Fletcher - 6 - Run a lot but for nothing
Park - 6 - Poor decesion making

Berbatov - 5 - Not a big game player PERIOD.

subs:

Nani - 8 - Briliant.... Must have been in starting line up
Macheda - 7 - Scored a goal
Gibson - /

Fergie - 5 - Not starting Nani was a bad call together with the decesion in starting with Scholes and Giggs at the same time.... He must have chancged the team after 50 min of play... I would have changed Scholes after 30 minutes today
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No he didn't. Most times when he looked dangerous he came through the middle. He got past Nev for the first, but as posted in many threads here today, Neville had to watch Zhirkov. A combination of Valencia trying a proper tackle instead of trying to somehow bend his leg around Cornrowhead, Neville not being pulled as much towards Zhirkov as he did and Rio getting closer would have done fine.
 
VDS - 7

Neville - 6
Vidic - 7
Rio - 7
Evra - 7

Scholes - 6
Fletcher - 7
Giggs - 4.5
Park - 5
Valencia - 5

Berbatov - 7

SUBS

Nani - 7
Macheda - 6

Mike Dean - 9/10 Contrary to what a lot of you lot think, he really didn't have a bad game. Having got back from the game, and watching the full match he didn't make as many mistakes as I had thought first time around.
 
VDS - 7 not at fault for the goals really had a fair game

Neville - 4 very poor he really should call it a day !
Vidic - 7 not a bad game
Rio - 5.5 average at fault for the goal goes to sleep when it matters !
Evra - 7 ok but gave the ball away too much

Scholes - 5 poor in most ways
Fletcher - 6 alot of runing and hard work but when he had the ball did little
Giggs - 4.5 very poor gave the ball away all the time and did little tackeling
Park - 6 ran alot and did little else
Valencia - 5 not great however in my opinion is still our best winger !

Berbatov - 5 poor game when it really matterd
 
VDS - 5 - Had a shocker for the second goal

Neville - 5 - Crap
Rio - 6 - Solid
Vidic - 6.5 - Solid
Evra - 6 - Can't cross

Fletcher - 5 - Turned up in the end, sort of
Scholes - 4.5 - That wasn't Paul Scholes
Park - 4 - Dire

Valencia - 4 - Wank
Berbatov - 4 - Wank
Giggs - 4 - Wank

Nani - 6 - A winger that can beat a defender, how useful
Macheda - 6 - A striker that wants to score, how useful
Gibson - Did he touch the ball?
 
van der Sar: 5 - Beaten by Drogba's shot far too easily.

Neville: 3 - Seemed happy to pass it to Chelsea players all day long.
Ferdinand: 5 - Didn't do much wrong.
Vidic: 5 - Same as Rio.
Evra: 6 - Final ball was woeful.

Scholes: 5 - Passing was hot and cold. Was well off the pace defensively.
Fletcher: 5 - Headless chicken.

Valencia: 6 - Decent but not good enough.
Park: 5 - Not good enough to play centrally. I'm sorry but he isn't.
Giggs: 4 - Typical Giggs against top opposition in the past 12 months.

Berbatov: 6 - Needed support.


Macheda: 6 - Goal.
Nani: 6 - Should be considered a definite starter.
Gibson: 4 - Why?
 
vuc said:
Likewise I will say again that Evra is (at times) a liability defensively. I take the point that he needs a rest but even that won't make a difference to his positional faults.
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Of course it will, he's been one of our best performers this year. A rest would reinvigorate him, he wont be as tired, therefore he will be able to get into the right positions more often and quicker than before.
 
Starting X1

VDS - 5.5: Annoyed with his distribution towards the latter end of the game, took an age to release the ball and poor effort with Drogbas shot.

Neville - 5: Not that bad surely? He was up against an on form Malouda and handled it ok me thought.. his game going forwards is not impressing me whatsoever which is a shame.

Rio & Vidic - 6: Solid enough.

Evra - 4: REST

Fletcher - 6: Not at his best, with the ball or off it.

Scholes - 5: Ginger Prince, today was more like Ginger Minger.

Park - 3: Anonymous.

Valencia - 4: What the feck was that.. Locked off completely. Ran out of ideas once plan A failed.

Berbatov - 5: Did what he could do with such little service i.e. Nothing.

Giggs - 5: Fast becoming known as a one-half man.

Subs:

Nani & Macheda MOM: 7, full of energy and drive.
 
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