Ugh don't bring up that Haaland price again because to this day I cannot think what on earth we were doing not taking him from Molde for £4m
Rasmus Højlund | Signed for United
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Ugh don't bring up that Haaland price again because to this day I cannot think what on earth we were doing not taking him from Molde for £4m
Will say it again no chance we are getting Neymar unless Qatar take over the club,agree that the rest of those is possible though
I could. Martial would be our likely starter next season and a good one if he could stay fit but he can't. And in recent times Atalanta have not been a far worse team than United.
The current Atalanta team is very clearly worse than the current Utd team. Let's not pretend otherwise.
Worse doesn't make it far worse, there is no scenario where for example United this season Hojlund or even Zapata wouldn't play more than Weighorst because the latter is a worse player, even when Zapata had a poor season.
Sesko finished with 16 goals and 4 assists in 23 starts in the league.
Not excited by his 8 goals in 31 games record.
I agree with everything said about how Højlund still is a bit rough around the edges.
One advantage he has though is that he is the forward type/personality who finds ways to make himself useful when he is on the pitch. I would compare him to a young Danny Wellbeck in that regard, and it’s a big advantage he has. It gets you into starting XIs, the coach will like you even if you don’t dominate offensively and find the net.
He is rough around the edges in the sense that if we sign him now, next season there will be instances were he receives a pass and it skips 3 feet’s away from him with a defender close by, there will be instances where he has the right intention to deliver a pass, but it goes somewhere it shouldn’t, there will be instances when he doesn’t finish as well as he should.
He also does not have like an abundance of natural skill and flair. He comes at it from a bit of a different angle than many young players. Many kids will have extreme skill and flair — but kind of drown playing against men at the higher level. You get less time, it’s physically tough, defenders are so good, you get nothing for free. But this shouldn’t be mixed up with potential, I think it’s just as common that a kid like Højlund ups his game in those areas as it is for a kid like say a Januzaj to pick up the ability to consistently do it at the pro level while employing that natural flair regularly enough to become one of the best in the world.
For me with Højlund, it just comes down to the price tag. If he comes in with a big price tag, the pressure and everlasting expectations that would put on him would scare me.
One advantage he has though is that he is the forward type/personality who finds ways to make himself useful when he is on the pitch. I would compare him to a young Danny Wellbeck in that regard, and it’s a big advantage he has. It gets you into starting XIs, the coach will like you even if you don’t dominate offensively and find the net.
He is rough around the edges in the sense that if we sign him now, next season there will be instances were he receives a pass and it skips 3 feet’s away from him with a defender close by, there will be instances where he has the right intention to deliver a pass, but it goes somewhere it shouldn’t, there will be instances when he doesn’t finish as well as he should.
He also does not have like an abundance of natural skill and flair. He comes at it from a bit of a different angle than many young players. Many kids will have extreme skill and flair — but kind of drown playing against men at the higher level. You get less time, it’s physically tough, defenders are so good, you get nothing for free. But this shouldn’t be mixed up with potential, I think it’s just as common that a kid like Højlund ups his game in those areas as it is for a kid like say a Januzaj to pick up the ability to consistently do it at the pro level while employing that natural flair regularly enough to become one of the best in the world.
For me with Højlund, it just comes down to the price tag. If he comes in with a big price tag, the pressure and everlasting expectations that would put on him would scare me.
Except for Rice's rumors, this transfer window seems to be starting up very badly for us. Mount and now this. I just hope we're saving something up our sleeves and that doesn't end up being our actual summer.
We really needed the new owners to have taken charge of the club before the window started. Oh well.
We really needed the new owners to have taken charge of the club before the window started. Oh well.
He is still developing,you might want to remember Kane wasn't putting up big numbers at his age either. Yes I know you will bring up Haaland but he's a freak
Just go to sleep until September then if you think this window is so god damn awful. I used to think I was negative but there's definitely people even worse than me which didn't think was possible
Same here but the last report was that we want him and an experienced striker which is why I gave those names in the first place. If we can't get Kane, I'd personally prefer Lautaro
It’s early days and we don’t have a bottomless pit of money. Important to make smart signings that fit the system.
No. I'll bring up all the players we have been "developing". Martial, Pellistri, Amad, even Antony, Garnacho and Sancho. We need strikers who are ready to play first team football. Not more that requires time for development. When we get those first team players, then we can consider these players for development. Hojlund isn't going to be cheap and we can't spend that kind of money on developmental players.
The fact that we don't have a bottomless pit of money is what makes this worrying assuming we only have 100-110m or so.
Ideally
Out: McT (30M), In Mount (45M): -15M
Out: Maguire (20M given we have to pay him 10m or so), In: Kim Min Jae (50M): -30M.
That leaves us with another 60-65M tops? We're not getting Kane for that money let alone both Kane and this guy. If we get him, we're not going for Kane.
Its weird that Hojlund and Mount count as bad rumors for you, 2 positions we are in dire need of, who improve us instantly, and Hojlund in particular who has huge potential and would probably total up to 100m at most, and are 20 and 24 and , while Rice - who plays in the same position where we have the best in the world and would come to 100m - is a positive rumor.
Mount and Hojlund are exactly the types we should be going for this window. Spending 100m for a position we have no immediate use for is just crazy given everything going on at United.
Why? We aren't one Harry Kane away from winning the league and the CL next season, so what's wrong with having a potentially class striker that will align age wise with our young stars like Garnacho, Sancho, Amad, Antony etc.
I'm not sure where you are all getting this idea that Kane will be the answer to all our problems and our team is sorted from then on, of course he will be a massive improvement but he isn't the final piece of the jigsaw i'm afraid, no matter how good he is
We aren't going to get Kane. Spurs want feck off money. Anything above 80m (even at that price), it's just smarter to wait a year and get him on a free if he's still needed.
Yeah that is very true
Feel £80m plus addons is fair,however the move won't happen unless he is prepared to kick up a fuss which I highly doubt
I'm in the same position. Kane is by far my favorite option but it comes with at least one big issue, his rumoured fee likely means that we sacrifice an other position this summer. Would people prefer:
- Kane + Mount + GK
or
- Cheaper striker + Mount + GK+ someone else
One thing is sure, we can't have everything we ideally want.
How do you get Darwin from his videos?? He just turned 20 and already has good back to goal play, and his finishing has been roughly right to xG, unlike Darwin who has been way below (and that's unlikely to be a big issue for them anyway unless he continues it). He looks like a well rounded striker, Darwin is a poacher or wide poacher essentially.Videos remind me a bit of Darwin Nunez.
Has anybody said Kane is the final piece? I can’t see why getting players that’ll make us the best version of us that can possibly be is suddenly a bad thing.
Look at your list, I’d be shocked if 3 of those would ever be in a League winning side for us. Hiding behind building for the future is arguably a cowards move imo
The thing is, with option 1 the goalkeeper is only gonna be a backup type. Option 2 we can get an elite potential guy like Hojlund, a top goalkeeper like Costa, and then have the wages to go for someone like Rabiot on a free. Our collective squad age drops massively, and we build for our next realistic title challenge, not getting a player on the edge for 100m+ when we aren't ready to challenge anyway.
There's a balance to it though. Why spend 100m+ when we have a limited budget, when we aren't challenging for the league next season, and when his contract is out in a year? Work on the development another year, spread the funds throughout, get Kane on a free in a year if he's still needed because 24/25 is a far more realistic year for a challenge than next year.
The thing is it doesn't feel like we have any intention of spending big on Costa though,so going top one just for that reason
You are right even then the GK is likely a backup or that young belgian(?) goalkeeper.
Seeing as how people want to primarily blow what is meant to me our entire budget on Kane it would appear people do believe this.
I'm not arguing against getting Kane, ideally we'd sign someone of Kane's ilk and someone of Hojlund's ilk.
Nor am I arguing signing Kane is necessarily a "bad" thing, but instead there are people arguing in the thread that signing someone like Hojlund is a bad thing because of his age and current ability, when we need a striker that is world class and ready to go now, insinuating that we need someone like Kane as the final piece of the puzzle in order to challenge for the title next season, if that's not the goal whats the point in spunking 100 million on him?
That list wasn't mine I was quoting the another post. Again, my point isn't to argue whether we should choose between say Kane or Hojlund, but that the argument against signing Hojlund because he isn't considered world class and ready right this second is nonsense considering even if we did sign a world class and ready striker instead then we still wouldn't be challenging for the title or the CL without needed investment in other areas
Maybe Kane isn’t possible?
Would you be happy with a Mount, Kim Min Jae, Hojlund summer? Maybe throw in an extra back up GK for good measure because we like signing our 4th GKs.
I don't think any of those transfers will significantly elevate the starting XI. It feels like we're adding to depth so we can compete in multiple competitions. e.g., I'm about equally confident in these sides to beat City for example:
DDG - AwB - Varane - Martinez - Shaw - Casemiro - Eriksen - Bruno - Antony - Rashford - Martial
DDG - AwB - KMJ - Martinez - Shaw - Casemiro - Mount - Bruno - Antony - Rashford - Hojlund
I'd rather give up on the FA cup / League cup very early on, sign Kane on stupid money and try to push for the league / CL.
Is there the possibility of doing a loan with obligation to buy for Costa like PSG did with Mbappé to avoid FFP implications this year? Or have FIFA closed that loophole?
I would say Lautaro is the wrong profile of player for us to target due to him not being comfortable at leading the line on his own hence he plays alongside another striker in a 352. It makes sense to target Hojlund due to his age and profile where he can play across the forward line and is physically well developed for a 20 year old.
I think another striker could well be bought alongside Hojlund but that striker will be someone who will be comfortable leading the line on his own imo. So players like Kane, Ramos, Osimhen from the more expensive list or Tammy Abraham from the tier below with the likes of Sesko and Ferguson as the developmental type signings.
Also it's important to sign a striker who won't just score goals but will also make the players around him more threatening by pressing, cutting off passing lanes, interchanging with team mates by working the channels and being a threat all across the front line. We can sign a striker who scores 25 goals a season or a striker who scores 15 goals a season, but if the team as a collective create and score more goals due to the 15 goal striker, then the 15 goal striker is superior to the 25 goals a season striker due to his all round game which will result in the team carrying more threats and scoring more goals. We don't want a 25 goals a season striker who will make us predictable.
It's possible if it's not an obligation to buy, if I'm not mistaken you could have a result based clause but not an obligation to buy. But most importantly it would have to benefit Porto, in the case of Mbappé Monaco needed the loan more than PSG.
We won't have any FFP implications even if we spend big we have enough room to manoeuvre without resorting to creative accounting .
Our problem is more to do with actual cash without sales or ownership change .
We need to move some players out for decent fees to augment our budget for the Summer if Glazers are staying .
What I love about this guy is that he already has a lot of traits that strikers usually develop as they get older. His off-the-ball movement, natural instincts and hold-up play are immense for a 20 year old. Kane and this guy would be a crazy transfer window, as I honestly believe Højlund is going to be a world class striker in a few years. I can't see both of them coming, unfortunately, but really hoping we sign this guy. Probably not quite ready to lead the line every game at this level just yet, but he'd still be a major upgrade on Weghorst.
I'd take the first guy in those stats clearly....those stats are well and above in all the important areas. Shots on target is 2:1 vs 3:1, total and successful dribbles are miles better which all is done in 200 minutes less time
which shouldn't fuk this up and watch this kid turn into a world beater two years from now b/c we won't spend 50m to bring him in...ffs make it 60m and do it over two or three installments
I didnt mention any names of who we should get. I just say we shouldn't be getting someone who needs developing. We have enough of them. We need an established striker
Would rather a top goalkeeper instead of Kim Min Jae. A hojlund, Mount, Diogo Costa summer would have me delighted tbh. Maybe even add lavia or Rabiot to them, or a younger CB. It doesn't make sense to me to sign a CB that benches Varane. I'm exclusively thinking about:
- CF - who won't decline in 2-3 years, comfortable playing with back to goal
- GK - ball playing GK, strong in the air
- CM - under 26, can press, can progress the ball, ideally is press resistant
- Depth for casemiro, ideally young to take over in 3 years if budget allows (lavia)
- Young CB for eventual Varane replacement (2-3 years away)
Hojlund, Costa, mount, lavia would be my ideal for the first 4 and I think it's doable this summer with sales. Not sure on the young CB, but there's a lot of decent options.
Good list, and even more speculative I would add Leonardo and Gift Orban.
On a related note, would love Musiala as the number 10!!!
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