Rasmus Højlund | Signed for United

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RedRover said:
I don't personally.

We're desperate for a 20 goal a season forward to take the pressure off Rashford. This lad may well be the answer but he's an unknown quantity. He's another Sancho or Anthony. Perhaps even more of a risk given his relative inexperience.

We're lacking goals so if we're kicking on next year, he'll need to contribute. Huge pressure on him if he comes in.

Evidently we're hamstrung either in terms of FFP or available funds so there may be limited options. Ten Hag should be trusted, but I can understand fans getting concerned seeing the club taking another punt on a young player with potential, given the numerous failures we've had in recent years.
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Who’s the 20 goal a season striker we can buy?
You can’t buy ready made for every position. If Ten Hag is willing to spend €60m on Hoijlund, it’s because he feels he can develop him into a goal scorer.
All 20 goals a season goal scorers, get to a point where they start being one.
 
doomy20 said:
You were right with both it seems. Not even worth half the money they cost us, especially Sancho.
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This is not correct. When we were getting Sancho, we paid a bit over the real value but he totally failed to transform his Dortmund form for United performances. Not really something you could predict.
With Antony is a different story, we overpaid about 3x his value and that is not his fault. It would be a surprise for me if he actually did well in EPL because I never thought he's anything special.
Two totally different stories.
 
alexthelion said:
Which guaranteed goal scorer is available that we can affrd?

You keep saying we need a goal scorer, so who is it?
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Well, if there are really no guaranteed goal scorers then we should not gamble exorbitant amount of money. Strengthen other areas where viable option is present. If at all we want to gamble, and we should, then do with reasonable amount.

Collectively spending upward of £100m on Antony and Hojlund is hardly a smart business.
 
I’m not sure if Rasmus, Mason and Onana would be enough. We need a bit more firepower.
 
Tony247 said:
Well, if there are really no guaranteed goal scorers then we should not gamble exorbitant amount of money. Strengthen other areas where viable option is present. If at all we want to gamble, and we should, then do with reasonable amount.

Collectively spending upward of £100m on Antony and Hojlund is hardly a smart business.
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That is my take as well. Last season we talked about that there is "nobody else available" than Antony and then splashed 90m on him. Maybe if we didn't we would be in better situation to sign a proper striker this summer. I feel the same way about Hojlund (it's a bit different because I don't know his potential, i just think he's not ready right here right now so not sure if that is such a smart move and a huge gamble that again will hurt our winter budget for example).

I'd take a one year stop gap striker rather than bet all our money and hopes on Rasmus. He really will be against a huge task.
 
Crimson King said:
That was the Arsenal goal wasn't it? Not gonna lie, didn't register with me at the time, I was very young though.
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It was the Arsenal goal, I don't think it registered with many at the time, everybody knows it now because it has been repeated so often and in the US it's in an advert for Barclay's
 
Adisa said:
I’ve not read anywhere that our business will end after Hoijlund
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I haven’t seen anyone else being linked except that Moroccan fella (benchwarmer anyway) and it would take our transfer spent to a very tidy amount. I don’t think we’ll sign more.
 
Adisa said:
Who’s the 20 goal a season striker we can buy?
You can’t buy ready made for every position. If Ten Hag is willing to spend €60m on Hoijlund, it’s because he feels he can develop him into a goal scorer.
All 20 goals a season goal scorers, get to a point where they start being one.
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As the video on the previous page explained (which i presume everyone whos complaining didnt watch), his expected goals for next season would be 16 which is based on stats for atalanta. Those have to be taken with a caveat that atalanta tactics required him to work the channels alot which limited his time and cjances in the box. That wont be required of him at Utd as he will be the focal point of the attack, therefore in the box more. Plus playing with more creative players will mean more chances to be put away.
 
Crimson King said:
Rooney only had 15 goals to his name before he signed for United. He only really hit the headlines at Euro 2004. There were still plenty of people on this forum that thought £28m was too much and were scared he'd flop. That was basically the same as spending £50m+ in the current market.

We signed Ronaldo as a 17 year old for over £12m in 2003... That was huge money then! People were still calling him a 1 trick pony and saying we should flog him for what we can get until he really started firing in the 06/07 season.

DDG had only played two seasons of first team football at Atletico before we signed him to replace VdS, arguably one of our best GK ever. We paid a then British record fee for a GK. Atletico also weren't that good then, think they finished about 7th in his first full season.

The reason they had a greater chance of succeeding than Højlund was the fact we were the best team in England then and SAF was our manager. If they were joining tomorrow, I don't think it's crazy to think that they'd have just as good a chance of fulfilling their potential than Højlund has of fulfilling his here.

Also, I tried to pick recent examples, but we can go back further. We signed a 23 year old Roy Keane for a then record transfer fee, even though there was no guarantee he'd be an immediate starter with Ince and Robson already at the club. We signed him because of the potential he'd shown.

We've spent plenty of money on potential, none of it was guaranteed returns, so I don't see why you're being such a misery guts when we're about to do it again on this Danish lad.
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Of your examples only the Ronaldo and DDG one are valid imo. Keane and Rooney were established regular in the PL for a couple years before we bought them. And the £28m we paid for him imo is the equivalence of a £100m now. Back then a top player cost about 30-35m. Ronaldo was signed for £12m which would be around 35-40m in current market.

I want us to sign Hojlund too but imo it's a bit daft to compare this deal with the Keane or Rooney deal. This lad is nowhere near the talent or quality Keane or Rooney had showed before their move. Pretty far from it I'd say.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Why aren't the other big teams in Europe going for him then? Madrid need a striker and are on this rebuild of young talent.
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Real Madrid bought Endrick last summer to be their striker in the future, and they have a big striker talent coming through their youth ranks. They're not going to buy another young striker.

And they're probably going all in for Mbappé, so where would that leave Højlund?

Barcelona, City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea don't need him.

Bayern would make sense, but they're understandably going for Kane.

As others have pointed out, PSG are interested.
 
Lyng said:
How would you know its bullshit?? He has been very open to danish media about his love for United.
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His love isn’t bullshit, nobody doubts that. It’s common for Scandinavians especially. But it won’t drastically influence a decision. If Paris tables 70M, a Paris penthouse and 200k per week, then of course the 20yo lad will take it.
 
doomy20 said:
His love isn’t bullshit, nobody doubts that. It’s common for Scandinavians especially. But it won’t drastically influence a decision. If Paris tables 70M, a Paris penthouse and 200k per week, then of course the 20yo lad will take it.
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You really can’t say that for certain
 
zaafi said:
Real Madrid bought Endrick last summer to be their striker in the future, and they have a big striker talent coming through their youth ranks. They're not going to buy another young striker.

And they're probably going all in for Mbappé, so where would that leave Højlund?

Barcelona, City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea don't need him.

Bayern would make sense, but they're understandably going for Kane.

As others have pointed out, PSG are interested.
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Chelsea have a good reliable #9?
 
Borys said:
This is not correct. When we were getting Sancho, we paid a bit over the real value but he totally failed to transform his Dortmund form for United performances. Not really something you could predict.
With Antony is a different story, we overpaid about 3x his value and that is not his fault. It would be a surprise for me if he actually did well in EPL because I never thought he's anything special.
Two totally different stories.
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My post was misleading, sorry. I was just refereeing to the fees we paid im comparison to the contribution they made, which isn’t even wirth half of what they cost. (Especially Sancho with his mental struggles etc.). Of course not their fault the fees were to high but it’s their fault they couldn’t bring mire contribution (so far)
 
It's weird that everyone is bringing up his goals tally from last season as a reason to not sign him. Do players not continue developing after 20?
 
doomy20 said:
My post was misleading, sorry. I was just refereeing to the fees we paid im comparison to the contribution they made, which isn’t even wirth half of what they cost. (Especially Sancho with his mental struggles etc.). Of course not their fault the fees were to high but it’s their fault they couldn’t bring mire contribution (so far)
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That's the thing, Sancho never lived up to the expectations - it's totally on him because he looked like the next big thing. There's always a risk with young players but it was worth a gamble.
Antony on the other hand never looked anything special so it's just bizarre that someone sanctioned that fee for him. That is however not Antony's fault. This is not a gamble, this was madness and buying in panic mode.
 
JPRouve said:
Based on the roles of board members the other Glazers are more likely at the bottom when it comes to involvements behind the vice-Charimen, the CFO and various independent board members who have actual jobs with the club. Which is perfectly normal, multi millions spending aren't the responsibility of a single person.
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Spot on, it's a team effort when it envolves spending multi millions and I bet City Dof or Pep wouldn't be able to spend millions on players if they didn't have the okay of the owners (explicit or tacit), in our case it might have slowed things down due to logistics during Woodward's time but now it's a different setup and if Murtough and Ten Hag are backed by the owners then they can manage to easily convince the powers to be fairly quickly and get transfers done in time (case in point Mount and Onana done before pre-season tour)
 
Strelok said:
Of your examples only the Ronaldo and DDG one are valid imo. Keane and Rooney were established regular in the PL for a couple years before we bought them. And the £28m we paid for him imo is the equivalence of a £100m now. Back then a top player cost about 30-35m. Ronaldo was signed for £12m which would be around 35-40m in current market.

I want us to sign Hojlund too but imo it's a bit daft to compare this deal with the Keane or Rooney deal. This lad is nowhere near the talent or quality Keane or Rooney had showed before their move. Pretty far from it I'd say.
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Fair points, but I was just trying to make the point that potential is never guaranteed. There's every chance Rooney and Keane could have gone the same way as Veron or Pogba, when he re-signed. We didn't make many really expensive mistakes back then, that one became depressingly normal with Woodward, but we still tried to sign players and make them into superstars, rather than sign them older and ready made.

I know Højlund doesn't look anywhere as good as Rooney, but he was a freak of nature, similar to Haaland at the moment. But I can remember how wishy washy Ronaldo looked for a long time, before going on to be arguably one of the best players of all time.

If we get Højlund for £50/60m it'll seem expensive now, but there's just as much chance that we'll all look back in 10 years and think it was a bargain, as there is he'll flop completely.
 
CG1010 said:
I am onboard with Hojlund signing as he seems to be an entertaining player. But ETH is not prone to mistakes - there are questions about Antony's case as of now.
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I wouldn't call Antony a question. Part of the problem with him specifically is he is a possession based player that presses. We have been spoiled with direct wingers that take players on for so long that something different looks "off" and there is a poor perception about the player.

Last season he played 1800 minutes in a new league, in a new country, in a new system. Still tallied 4 Goals and 2 Assists. For perspective that is the same amount of minutes that Hojlund played for Atalanta last season. I think we need to pump the brakes on the Antony hate.
 
Crimson King said:
Fair points, but I was just trying to make the point that potential is never guaranteed. There's every chance Rooney and Keane could have gone the same way as Veron or Pogba, when he re-signed. We didn't make many really expensive mistakes back then, that one became depressingly normal with Woodward, but we still tried to sign players and make them into superstars, rather than sign them older and ready made.

I know Højlund doesn't look anywhere as good as Rooney, but he was a freak of nature, similar to Haaland at the moment. But I can remember how wishy washy Ronaldo looked for a long time, before going on to be arguably one of the best players of all time.

If we get Højlund for £50/60m it'll seem expensive now, but there's just as much chance that we'll all look back in 10 years and think it was a bargain, as there is he'll flop completely.
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Agree we should get him now.

50/60m is a bit too much imo but well, not my money. And the lad is young and the wages reportedly low so even if things don't work out we'll be able to recoup some of the money I think.

I only hope we won't be priced out of this deal because Atalanta got too greedy. Which imo quite seems the case according to recent reports.
 
Suv666 said:
I’m not sure if Rasmus, Mason and Onana would be enough. We need a bit more firepower.
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I knew Onana likes to go forward, but I didn't realise he is a striker!!! Rasmus Hojlund and Mason Greenwood will score lots of goals, but don't forget about Marcus Rashford.
 
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Crimson King said:
Yeah guess we should never have signed Ronaldo, Rooney or DDG when they were all still young players with potential. Just sign ready made stars like Di Maria, Pogba and Lukaku, because they always prove their worth?

All transfers are risky, you win some you lose some, but if you knew anything about United's history then you'd know that risking it all on talented young players is what most of our success is based on.
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Well, that is not completely true. Our success was based with perfect mix of talent and experience. The fact that Fergie always managed to add right and proven players to already talented squad. Cantona, Rvp, VDS, Rio, Keane...were all final pieces of jigsaw. Rooney and Cristiano reached peak when we added Tevez to them for example.

And lets not pretend that we have some great history with buying right young unproven players with great potential. Our best signings were players in early 20s who proved themselves already in their previous clubs.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
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Well, that is not completely true. Our success was based with perfect mix of talent and experience. The fact that Fergie always managed to add right and proven players to already talented squad. Cantona, Rvp, VDS, Rio, Keane...are all final pieces of jigsaw. Rooney and Cristiano reached peak when we added Tevez to them for example.

And lets not pretend that we have some great history with buying right young unproven players with great potential. Our best signings were players in early 20s who proved themselves already in their previous clubs.
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I mean its an entirely different setup at United now with a new manager and different coaches. Ten Hag might be better or worse than Fergie, LVG, Mourinho and Ole in that respect, we won't know until he's had a few years here attempting to nurture such signings.
 
Klean said:
I wouldn't call Antony a question. Part of the problem with him specifically is he is a possession based player that presses. We have been spoiled with direct wingers that take players on for so long that something different looks "off" and there is a poor perception about the player.

Last season he played 1800 minutes in a new league, in a new country, in a new system. Still tallied 4 Goals and 2 Assists. For perspective that is the same amount of minutes that Hojlund played for Atalanta last season. I think we need to pump the brakes on the Antony hate.
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We need to pump the brakes on a lot of the hate, not just on Antony either, you're dead right on the winger bit, Antony does need to improve on his attacking output but he is the perfect player in the system that we're apparently trying to get to, IMO the improvement in AWB is in part due to Antony's presence and no 0je can fault his effort and determination
 
Strelok said:
Of your examples only the Ronaldo and DDG one are valid imo. Keane and Rooney were established regular in the PL for a couple years before we bought them. And the £28m we paid for him imo is the equivalence of a £100m now. Back then a top player cost about 30-35m. Ronaldo was signed for £12m which would be around 35-40m in current market.

I want us to sign Hojlund too but imo it's a bit daft to compare this deal with the Keane or Rooney deal. This lad is nowhere near the talent or quality Keane or Rooney had showed before their move. Pretty far from it I'd say.
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Might be true, but what did Salah show before going to Liverpool and becoming an EPL all time great? Even Rooney did not reach the heights Salah reached in breaking EPL goal record yet when comparing Rooney and Salah talent at 20 years, we would have only one winner.

Generally, good players will blossom well as they age while in the right set of coaches. Who could have predicted Mane evolution?

Let's cross our fingers Hojlund will blossom in ETH hands. Because genuinely the guy has all attributes to succeed, hopefully he does that while playing for us.
 
Licha-Vidic said:
Might be true, but what did Salah show before going to Liverpool and becoming an EPL all time great? Even Rooney did not reach the heights Salah reached in breaking EPL goal record yet when comparing Rooney and Salah talent at 20 years, we would have only one winner.

Generally, good players will blossom well as they age while in the right set of coaches. Who could have predicted Mane evolution?

Let's cross our fingers Hojlund will blossom in ETH hands. Because genuinely the guy has all attributes to succeed, hopefully he does that while playing for us.
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I didn't say Hojlund could not make it here mate.
 
Judas said:
Our main target was Mount? Why do you think it was this guy?
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I am talking strikers and it was obvious in June that Kane was out of our reach unless we think Levy will soften in August. So why not sign Höjlund before preseason?

If no other club can match our offer and we have a 20% chance to sign Kane then I can understand our slow motion approach.
 
Klean said:
I wouldn't call Antony a question. Part of the problem with him specifically is he is a possession based player that presses. We have been spoiled with direct wingers that take players on for so long that something different looks "off" and there is a poor perception about the player.

Last season he played 1800 minutes in a new league, in a new country, in a new system. Still tallied 4 Goals and 2 Assists. For perspective that is the same amount of minutes that Hojlund played for Atalanta last season. I think we need to pump the brakes on the Antony hate.
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I don't have an issue with Antony not "taking on" players much. I have an issue that he's a volume shooter with shite creativity along with not taking players on. It's not a great combo.

Sancho doesn't take players on either, but for how passive he is he always seems to pop up with creating at least one chance a game.
 
Adisa said:
Find it incredible that it is the case.
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I assume it's a combination of the Kane obsession on here coupled with many not bothering to actually understand the players qualities/potential and just looking at him scoring 8 goals last year in Serie A

Also roll my eyes at people wondering if he's "ready for United" after watching what we rolled out up front last season in a player that's almost in a wheelchair from so many injuries along with possibly the worst single player I've ever seen play for United in Martial and Weghorst respectively
 
RedStarUnited said:
Why aren't the other big teams in Europe going for him then? Madrid need a striker and are on this rebuild of young talent.
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Madrid already locked in like 60m to get endrick. And are probably getting Mbappe.

PSG is interested but probably want a more experienced CF. Bayern want Kane. Chelsea don't have FFP room for anyone other than the guy from Villareal who they got so they are probably looking at next summer for a CF.
 
glasgow 21 said:
who cares, Eric the red is right
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Except he's not though is he? If greenwood was going to be coming back and playing again this season he'd be with the squad doing pre season, but he isn't (thankfully).
The original poster was referring to Mount anyway.
 
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