I thought that there was no way we would see Chido Obi in the first team squad this season as he is so young but with the performances of Rasmus and Joshua I think there is a high possibility he will get a chance.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 36
- Goals
- 7
- Assists
- 1
- Yellow cards
- 2
Doubtful, Wheatley never got a look in and you'd think he'd have been the first to get a chance
Rasmus has got a bad spell and he lacks both confidence and service at the moment. The stick he is getting is over the top though. Not good enough for PL is one of the nicest things. There is a lot of raw talent, a really good finisher and loads of speed and physicality there. Does it click? Not right now, but that can change at any time. At 21 Rooney and Haaland were a lot better than Rasmus, but Kane and Gyokeres were absolutely nowhere. Zlatan was scoring 13 at Ajax in the dutch league against the likes of ADO Den Haag and Utrecht. If he bags a couple of goals and we crearte chances for him, he will score. That is what we have seen up until now. Why should that suddenly change?
Kane scored 30 goals at 21 and was light years ahead of Rasmus in his general play.
Will be devastated to see him starting today. A place on the bench seems too good for him currently.
This place is so weird
People keep repeating this lie about Kane at 21, to defend a player who may never even be as good as Kane was at 21
He’s been utter garbage this season in the PL and looked lost. Why would you want him to start? It’s weird folk want self infliction.
Clearly you are advocating to give Rasmus more time, but your argument for it feels a bit all over the place. I think it is safe to predict that, while Rasmus may indeed still end up being an OK striker, there's almost no chance that he reaches the levels of Zlatan, Rooney, Haaland, or even Kane. It's pointless to compare him to the players at that level, he is not one of them and won't be one
Stick the lad in a team that creates chances for him and he'll score. We create nothing, even when we win we generally have fewer shots on goal. His conversion rare is on par with Salah.
While I agree the service is generally poor due to system/personnel etc. however, on the occasions we do get the ball into the box in that channel that strikers are supposed to attack he is often way behind or too busy wrestling with the CBs. He barely runs across the CBs to the front post, something that all the greats did/do with great effect.
Therefore, yes, his conversion rate is good when he makes the right runs which isn’t often enough even given the poor service.
Devastated
get a grip.He’s one out of two bad options. If we go with Zirkzee I’d fully expect him to do feck all in the game as well.
If anyone needs to go out on loan, probably at a championship level, to get their shooting boots back on and regain some confidence its Rasmus.
He is going to continue to drown at Utd. He is just not ready for this pressure and spotlight. Haven’t seen enough to think that he will ever make the grade but in the short term he needs to be playing, getting lots of chances and getting some goals.
Somewhere like Leeds or Sunderland would be good for him. Or the SPL.
He is going to continue to drown at Utd. He is just not ready for this pressure and spotlight. Haven’t seen enough to think that he will ever make the grade but in the short term he needs to be playing, getting lots of chances and getting some goals.
Somewhere like Leeds or Sunderland would be good for him. Or the SPL.
Get a life.
If he starts today it will be nice to see him have a through-ball played to him for a change.
I know he always seems to want a battle with the defender, but most balls played into him are usually always straight to feet with his back to goal, so a lot of the time he has no choice but to duel.
He looked good at spinning the defender last season so let’s hope he can get that sort of service. He’s still young and I think he has something and he can finish given the chance.
I know he always seems to want a battle with the defender, but most balls played into him are usually always straight to feet with his back to goal, so a lot of the time he has no choice but to duel.
He looked good at spinning the defender last season so let’s hope he can get that sort of service. He’s still young and I think he has something and he can finish given the chance.
His deficiencies are easy to coach out of him. Not sure why some are so eager to give up on him, not like he's an injury prone Martial.
I agree, I’m not saying we should ship out although I’m bemused at signing him for such a hefty fee instead of going for an established striker at the time.
He needs to be understudy (as does Mainoo, Garna) and hopefully that’ll be addressed in the summer because of the financial situation we face this month.
Someone needs to make a YouTube playlist based on Isak and make Hojlund watch it every day, including before games.
Devastated
He’s one out of two bad options. If we go with Zirkzee I’d fully expect him to do feck all in the game as well.
You lads don’t have accept some mediocre shite these days.
He’s a joke of a United player and offers nothing.
So is Zirkzee, so to say you’d be devastated if he starts today is peak hysteria. It’s not like we have any good options.
If you’d said, “I’ll be devastated if we start next season with Højlund and Zirkzee as our strikers”, I would understand.
He’s done nothing to justify starting. JZ was at least showing some of the basics recently and more likely to score. Højlund has been playing like a competition winner and displaying zero ability. We need an improved performance today otherwise fecking Everton will be moonwalking past us in the league whilst we persist with Hojlund starting.
On current form, neither Højland or Big Zirkz are good enough to start for Manchester United.
If that is our only two options for striker than we need to look elsewhere, either the transfer window or the youth team.
If that is our only two options for striker than we need to look elsewhere, either the transfer window or the youth team.
More likely to score
Based of what? Zirkzee is dead in the box, and every time he gets half-chance he tries a weak side foot.The reality is we have two bad options. In this period where we play twice a week, we will see both starting and it won’t be a tragedy when it’s Højlund. More like a necessity.
And while we are at it, Zirkzee did nothing against Rangers. It’s not like he deserves anything based on that.
They are both poor finishers at the moment to be honest but Zirkzee is the better baller.
His hold up play is excellent, his link up play is also very good and he offers so much more to team so I’ll definitely start him today and make him our number one striker for now.
His hold up play is excellent, his link up play is also very good and he offers so much more to team so I’ll definitely start him today and make him our number one striker for now.
Here's a list of my favourite Hojlund excuses from his fan club
- People forget he's only 21*even though in less than 10 days he id 22
- Kane, Ruud, Cole, Shearer were not scoring loads of goals at 21
- There's too much pressure on shoulders, it's not fair that he has to start
- The system doesn't suit his strengths
- There is no service(almost as funny as no value in the market)
- He just needs an experienced striker to learn from
- Zirkee is not doing any better
I will be annoyed at most
I’m hoping we’re both going to be proved wrong.
Hojlund fan club? Or could we just be supporters of the club & of some of our young signings, hoping they kick on and turn it around instead of slagging them off all the time? I want the exact same for JZ. But to come on here and cry because one is starting over the other is hysterical.
If neither is up to it, I would hope they’re replaced/improved on in the summer but for now we have no other choice. So there’s zero point in moaning when either of them start.
I'm certainly not crying over one starting over the other, don't pin that on me brother, since both zirkee is a hojlund are not good enough but at least Zirkee has shown he looks like a footballer and is capable of bringing others into play and has justifiable excuses since it's his first season, no pre season, cost a fraction of the price of this donkey etc but he gets no where near the level of leeway and excuses Hojlund.
I've never heard anyone on here say Zirkee needs a specialist coach to hone his skills, or that he needs a more experienced head to learn from or hear calls to bring in Ruud so he can help Zirkee score goals
These are the ridiculous excuses I've heard made for Hojlund which is what I'm highlighting and why I say the Hojlund fanclub because these guys if they had their way would change the backroom staff, the system and have all the players be instructed to play for HojlundI support the club I don't really care too much about the players emotionally to the point of pretending that the sub standard ones are going to suddenly turn into world beaters one day
I find it pretty funny that you whine about the excuses made for Højlund, and then immediately make a bunch of weak excuses for Zirkzee.I'm certainly not crying over one starting over the other, don't pin that on me brother, since both zirkee is a hojlund are not good enough but at least Zirkee has shown he looks like a footballer and is capable of bringing others into play and has justifiable excuses since it's his first season, no pre season, cost a fraction of the price of this donkey etc but he gets no where near the level of leeway and excuses Hojlund.
I've never heard anyone on here say Zirkee needs a specialist coach to hone his skills, or that he needs a more experienced head to learn from or hear calls to bring in Ruud so he can help Zirkee score goals
I support the club I don't really care too much about the players emotionally to the point of pretending that the sub standard ones are going to suddenly turn into world beaters one day
You are right. Kane was born in 1993 and I was looking at the 2013/14 season. His breakout season was indeed 2014/2015 at 21 years. My mistake. The argument stays the same.
I am advocating to give Rasmus more time to develop. He scored pretty well for a 20 year old in his first PL season at a malfunctioning club. He can´t be a regular scorer feeding on the scraps he is getting at the moment though.
What excuse? It's a fact Zirkee didn't have a pre season we us, and it's a fact this is his first season and were just about past the half way point. Do you want me to go through with the long list of players who needed time settling in and were written off in their first season?
And I wasn't whining mate, just having a laugh at the ridiculous double standards from his fanclub, if you are going to make excuses for Hojlund then I need to hear the same excuses made for Zirkee. Because the most sickening thing I saw during this whole zirkee vs hojlund debacle, is our own fans booing Zirkee but when Hojlund puts in even worse dog shite performances he gets applauded off how about you explain that?
This fan base (not sure if it’s just online or if the same applies for match going ones) has a long history of shitting on one of our players, just to big up another (one of our own players). Just in recent years it’s been Rashford v Martial, Herrera v Fellaini, Dalot v AWB (& probably a ton more). I prefer not to go down that path.I'm certainly not crying over one starting over the other, don't pin that on me brother, since both zirkee is a hojlund are not good enough but at least Zirkee has shown he looks like a footballer and is capable of bringing others into play and has justifiable excuses since it's his first season, no pre season, cost a fraction of the price of this donkey etc but he gets no where near the level of leeway and excuses Hojlund.
I've never heard anyone on here say Zirkee needs a specialist coach to hone his skills, or that he needs a more experienced head to learn from or hear calls to bring in Ruud so he can help Zirkee score goals
I support the club I don't really care too much about the players emotionally to the point of pretending that the sub standard ones are going to suddenly turn into world beaters one day
Hojlund showed an extremely high level in a few matches (most notably I think it was Brentford home this year?) in both hold up, & finishing that I have some bit of hope that he’s able to turn it around with us - albeit it’s more hope at this point, than actual belief that he will. That being said, to play at the level we’d like to compete at, he needs infinite improvement and those type of performances needs to be the norm; not the exception.
I do believe he’d score more goals if we created more though - fact is he has an excellent conversion rate. But yeah, our strikers need to show more than just finishing. But same “excuse”
I’ll gladly afford JZ - we don’t create nearly enough as a team, but also for every “great” linkup bits JZ shows, he gives the ball away way too much. Either way, if neither proves to be up for it (which they aren’t at this point), I hope we upgrade on them in the summer.
Long gone are the days of RvP, Ruud, Rooney etc up top
@serpent. Dog shite performances? Wow. The amount of disrespect from anonymous keyboard warriors knows no limit. Every player on the pitch wants to do well, but does not always succeed.
These ones:
You've just decided that your excuses are valid, while the ones you cry about for Højlund are not. Seems a bit strange to me. Personally, I'd prefer if we don't make excuses for either of them.
First season? So what. He has plenty of experience from elsewhere and should be able to contribute way more than he does. No pre-season? So what. None of these players have had a pre-season with Amorim. The system is new to all of them. Cost a fraction? So what. These players don't control what they are bought for. They are here now and will be picked or not picked based on their performances, not their transfer fees.
Excuses are fine for Zirkzee, but not for Højlund for you. That's what I object to. None of them are good enough, and I sincerely hope we start next season with one or two new strikers in the squad. In the meantime, I hope we can get rid of this hysterical nonsense that it's some sort of grave mistake every time Højlund starts over Zirkzee. In the context of the rest of the season, we will need to have both of them in the starting XI for different types of games, unless something really unexpected happens in the transfer market.
Hojlund has been here for nearly 2 full seasons and he's shown again and again he's not up to the standard. Of course it matters it's a players first season, if it was you to you we would have moved on the likes of Patrice Evra and Vidic when they were looking completely off pace and out of their depth when they joined in January and had no chance to settle in and adapt to the league and have a pre season.
Pre season is not just to adapt to a system, it's to build up match fitness and sharpness, I should not have to explain this to you. Mainoo also didn't have a pre season and has not looked as sharp as he did last season. So these are justifiable ''excuses'' if you want, where's things like '' When ruud comes Hojlund will be a beast'' or ''if we sign a more experienced head hojlund will come good'' and ''x player was shit at 21, even when the examples presented did not show lack of football fundamentals at the same AGE '' are not justifiable excuses or reasons for a player looking like a donkey
Zirkee is contributing don't know what games you've been watching, in fact he's scored more prem goals than Hojlund but gets far more heat. Like I said both are not good enough, but there's far more justifiable defence for Zirkee considering he is actually contributing more and just joined the club
If Højlund has been here nearly two full seasons, Zirkzee has been here nearly one full season. So he should be ready no?
No.
Oh, come off it. Zirkzee has been match fit for months and months now. Quit making excuses for him.
No they are not. He looks awful, and it can't be attributed to what you say. This whole "just joined the club" is fecking nonsense.
You won't fine me saying any of this. Højlund is poor, and I don't think he will be good enough. Same as Zirkzee.
I watch all United games. I think Zirkzee has had about two good performances. 1) Home against a terrible Everton side. 2) Coming on against Southampton - the worst side in the league. Whoop-de-doo. In other games he has been awful, including being hooked before half-time for being totally and utterly lost.
This is just incredibly selective. 3 vs. 2 PL goals in Zirkzee's favor. 7 vs. 4 total goals in Højlund's favor.
You cannot be serious. Højlund is the favorite punching bag of this site. There are some that timidly hopes he can improve, but mostly he is just being dogpiled.
I'm done. You seem eager to make your excuses for Zirkzee, while crying about people doing the same for Højlund. It's just incredible hypocrisy.
Yeah I've wasted enough of my posts interacting with you, no objectivity, no capability of any nuance every thing either doesn't matter or is nonsense that doesn't tie into your idea that Zirkee has contributed nothing since signing with things like pre season, being new to the league first season, none of these factors have ever played a factor in any players career.
Well done on being the first poster who is going to be welcomed to my ignore list buddy
much more likely to score than Zirkzee, but I'd like to see both play, Zirkzee links play well and might even create a chance for Rasmus, which would be a rare thing. On a side matter, just seen that Martial has played 17 games for AEK and not been inured once...
I think there’s a player in there somewhere, he is only young and I think he will come good eventually. The whole team is playing poorly at the moment, we don’t create enough chances and we don’t have players who pick the right pass at the right time apart from Amad and Bruno, and even Amad can be selfish at times.
Obviously lacking confidence, still learning the new system and the club as a whole is all over the place.. give him time, as well as a few others (not many admittedly) in the team and they’ll come good.
Obviously lacking confidence, still learning the new system and the club as a whole is all over the place.. give him time, as well as a few others (not many admittedly) in the team and they’ll come good.