86% say sell ….though unfortunately he‘ll stay
Rashford - New contract or sell?
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If he's one of the bad apples responsible for the negative energy permeating the dressing room then I'd sell him.
Rashford is on much higher wage though, this might prevent clubs from spending more on him. His stats/performance this season has not been any better than James when we sold him, so any deal for Rashford would be more based on “past reputation” for clubs to put up that kind of money, which makes it highly unlikely.
Talent and potential, he’s on higher ceiling than James. On his CV, he has better stats than James. And it’s not like he is 30 years old where player’s 2-3 seasons past stats shouldn’t be counted.
You mentioned Newcastle and other poster also mentioned PSG. Both clubs can afford Rashford wages easily.
So that would be based on his past reputation then, and that would be a gamble for clubs willing to pay that much. In similar sense, would any club today willing to pay that much to Martial? Since he is only 2 years older than Rashford, while their stats/performance just 2 seasons ago are similar.
Pretend for a second that Rashford:
- Is not a local lad
- Is not an academy graduate
- Is a foreign player from abroad
- Has not done any charity work
- Doesn’t have a Twitter account
Far too much decoupling for most of our fans.
He has lost his desire, directness, speed and agility at such young age.
His decision making has not always been good but became worse with lost of confidence too.
We should cut our losses and sell him while he still has some values.
This is not a temporary drop of form, it has been 2 years.
Rashford and Martial needs to go other club to restart their careers and Man Utd should also look forward to rebuild with proper high pressing forwards suitable to ETH's style.
His decision making has not always been good but became worse with lost of confidence too.
We should cut our losses and sell him while he still has some values.
This is not a temporary drop of form, it has been 2 years.
Rashford and Martial needs to go other club to restart their careers and Man Utd should also look forward to rebuild with proper high pressing forwards suitable to ETH's style.
This was posted after that situation at the Euros. That's how he responded to criticism, albeit the Englanders went absolutely wild. Now, after dealing with criticism and adversity, he and his team added to the fire (allegedly). I think the team needs to see some return to his old self before awarding him with more money.
I'm wondering we over-played him when he had that shoulder injury
he's been terrible since he came back from that operation
he's been terrible since he came back from that operation
I don’t know why you can’t understand this and why are you trying to make this suits your argument by using Martial as an example when it’s completely different.
First of all, of course Martial would cost much cheaper. No one in here said that clubs today willing to pay the same to Martial as much as club now willing to pay the same to Rashford. Martial already had 2 bad seasons while Rashford bad season started this season. This alone plays part of the factor why Rashford’s value is higher than Martial today.
Even transfermarkt set Martial value as €28m while Rashford as €70m. Each season you played bad then the valuation dropped. Not rocket science and that’s why Martial valuer is much less than Rashford.
While in comparison to Dan James, not only Rashford has higher ceiling but when you look at James last season stats, it’s actually worse than Rashford this season. This why I said Rashford should be cost at least £40m-£45m or at least it makes sense for us to demand those values if James cost £25m after performed with worse stats than this season Rashford.
I don’t know why you can’t understand similarity of Rashford and Martial situation.
First of all, it’s true Martial poor form started 2 seasons ago, but you are wrong on Rashford, his poor form actually started 1.5 seasons ago. Ask any Man Utd fans or football fans who followed Man Utd all this time, they all know for a fact Rashford’s poor form started at the around beginning of 2021, which is around midway through last season. So in fact there’s only half season of difference there between Rashford and Martial, in regards to their poor form.
Moreover, they both have same high ceilings and at similar age too (Rashford is 24 while Martial is 26, shouldn’t be much of difference in transfer value in regards to their age). So there goes all your arguments.
Lastly, let’s compare the performance/stats of James in his last season with us, with Rashford this season:
James
- 5 goals 2 assist in 24 games
- avg rating 6.61
Rashford
- 5 goals 2 assist in 30 games
- avg rating 6.35
Rashford is actually worst.
Point is, James is at very low wage, his overall financial package would be significantly lower than Rashford. Hence other club is willing to pay 25m for him, as the cost/risk of whole package is much lower/affordable.
With Rashford, you have a player with worst performance but higher ceiling/potential, but in far higher wage too. 40m-45m range would not be easy to sell, if include wage (200k+ per week) it would be close to 100m investment. Unless other clubs are desperate and willing to such risk, it would be hard to sell him at that price range.
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Getting rid of Rashford, Pogba, Lingard and Martial in one fell swoop will do wonders for the dressing room situation. It is long overdue.
Rashford always comes across as a rather dull meek and easily led character. Obviously don't know the bloke, but surround him with less bad apples and I'd like to think he'll be ok. Of course if he's still as bad on the pitch next season, its moot, he'll be gone.
It was still being used in conversations about Lingard up until he was like 26/27. Expect the same will happen with McTominay
Are you so desperate trying to win this argument by twisting it to 1.5 season so it suits more on your argument? What's next if we have similar argument like this again? 1.3 season? 1.25 season.
I'm not even going to debate about him being poor or no for 1.5 season because end of the day the buyer wouldn't view it as 1.5 season, 1.45 season, 1.3 or even 1.25 season. When they see Rashford had 11 league goals and 9 assists, 2 EL goals, 6 UCL goals in 2020/2021 season, they will come into conclusion that's an impressive number in 2020/2021 overall season with potential and much higher ceilling than Dan James.
So at the end of the day, it's still considered as 1 bad season not 1 and half bad seasons. But Martial is considered to have 2 bad seasons. And guess what I can twist this so it suits my argument that apart from Martial 19/20 season, Martial's numbers never surpass Rashford's 19/20 and 20/21, which is why his value is higher than Martial. Oh I can even twist this even more that even last season Rashford had 28 G/A involvement in UCL, EL, and PL while Martial had 27 G/A involvement in EL, and PL so even Martial 19/20 season is not surpassing Rashford 20/21 season oh and guess what again, UCL is harder competition than EL.
Ok so let's just ignore those twisting things I just said and also cut the bullshit of your 1.5 season. Rashford had 1 bad season while Martial had 2 bad seasons, stick with that and accept it. And beside, I wasn't the only one who see why Martial's value should be lower now than Rashford, even trasnfermarkt made it what you would think worse than what I did, they valued Martial as €28m while Rashford as €70m.
Oh I didn't know that we should include EL and UCL. Ok it's fine. Although Rashford didn't play in EL this season anyway but let's not reach that because end of the day, if Rashford this season had not similar stats as James but better, I would have gone more than £40m as my minimum price so it won't change my point anyway since majority the value based on what Rashford had done before, his ceilling potential/talent, and 1 bad season. So it doesn't change the point at all. And again James's low wages suits Leeds as buyer while Rashford's wages suits and affordable for Newcastle (which the club you mentioned) and PSG (which the club the other poster mentioned). The wages is irrelevant if the ceilling and potential are different because, for example there is bigger chance PSG pay 40m-45m on Rashford than 25m on James, regardless if James has low wages, why? because there is bigger chance that Rashford can success to meet PSG's expectation than James.
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Greenwood has one more goal this season in 50 more minutes playing time. Sancho has one more assist than Rashford in 800 more minutes playing time, whilst playing nearly exclusively in Rashford’s best position.
Basically, Rashford in his absolute worst possible form, playing nearly every match out of position, is still not producing significantly worse stats than two of our supposedly better players this season. The reality is only Ronaldo is producing stats we’d expect.
Are you really a fan of Man Utd? The manner you speak, it really seems you have not been following our games at all. I thought every Man Utd fans know for a fact how long Rashford has been in poor form, but to you such basics every United fans should be aware of, appears to be “twisting” to you, so strange. I’d assume you have no idea what you are talking about in regards to Rashford.Are you so desperate trying to win this argument by twisting it to 1.5 season so it suits more on your argument? What's next if we have similar argument like this again? 1.3 season? 1.25 season.
I'm not even going to debate about him being poor or no for 1.5 season because end of the day the buyer wouldn't view it as 1.5 season, 1.45 season, 1.3 or even 1.25 season. When they see Rashford had 11 league goals and 9 assists, 2 EL goals, 6 UCL goals in 2020/2021 season, they will come into conclusion that's an impressive number in 2020/2021 overall season with potential and much higher ceilling than Dan James.
So at the end of the day, it's still considered as 1 bad season not 1 and half bad seasons. But Martial is considered to have 2 bad seasons. And guess what I can twist this so it suits my argument that apart from Martial 19/20 season, Martial's numbers never surpass Rashford's 19/20 and 20/21, which is why his value is higher than Martial. Oh I can even twist this even more that even last season Rashford had 28 G/A involvement in UCL, EL, and PL while Martial had 27 G/A involvement in EL, and PL so even Martial 19/20 season is not surpassing Rashford 20/21 season oh and guess what again, UCL is harder competition than EL.
Ok so let's just ignore those twisting things I just said and also cut the bullshit of your 1.5 season. Rashford had 1 bad season while Martial had 2 bad seasons, stick with that and accept it. And beside, I wasn't the only one who see why Martial's value should be lower now than Rashford, even trasnfermarkt made it what you would think worse than what I did, they valued Martial as €28m while Rashford as €70m.
Oh I didn't know that we should include EL and UCL. Ok it's fine. Although Rashford didn't play in EL this season anyway but let's not reach that because end of the day, if Rashford this season had not similar stats as James but better, I would have gone more than £40m as my minimum price so it won't change my point anyway since majority the value based on what Rashford had done before, his ceilling potential/talent, and 1 bad season. So it doesn't change the point at all. And again James's low wages suits Leeds as buyer while Rashford's wages suits and affordable for Newcastle (which the club you mentioned) and PSG (which the club the other poster mentioned). The wages is irrelevant if the ceilling and potential are different because, for example there is bigger chance PSG pay 40m-45m on Rashford than 25m on James, regardless if James has low wages, why? because there is bigger chance that Rashford can success to meet PSG's expectation than James.
Anyway, at the end of the day, it’s up to buyers club to offer whatever they feel it’s worth for Rashford, regardless of our argument. I have already pointed out all the reasons why I don’t think most club would want to gamble that much on Rashford. If you really think the likes of PSG would be interested regardless, so be it. But my argument being, most club wouldn’t want to risk that much of money (100m investment include fees+wages) on someone who has been complete shite for that long, as there will be risk involved there.
And if you think PSG would think Rashford worth 200k a week, I have nothing more to add. But just ask any Man Utd fans around, almost none of them would agree he worth that much. As you see, there is a poll in this thread, which indicates overwhelming majority (86%) people want him out, instead of extending his contract here. I’d assume it’s easy for you to see what do us Man Utd fans, who has been following him week in week out for past 2 years +, really think of his worth.
Yes. On a purely footballing basis he has been magnificent for the club previously. One very poor season doesn’t erase that. He has credit in the bank, and extenuating circumstances in his multiple injuries last year.
If he continues to be poor under ETH then we have a problem and he can go this time next year.
I can't see United actively trying to sell him, but that doesn't stop other teams making a bid.
Newcastle might be tempted with a double swoop in the summer...Lingz and Rashy aka Beans on Toast.
Newcastle might be tempted with a double swoop in the summer...Lingz and Rashy aka Beans on Toast.
Sure I read here a few weeks ago that due to these "footballers" being unable to get CL football their wages will automatically drop 25%? Meaning Rashfords wage will be around £150k a week - which means a club like Newcastle could easily match or beat that (they're paying Tripper 100k a week).
They'd be baying for blood.
He deserves a chance under the new coach to try and turn his United career around.
If we're still asking this question next year then yes sell/release. IF we are still asking this question next year he won't be worth much anyway & is on quite high wages.
If we're still asking this question next year then yes sell/release. IF we are still asking this question next year he won't be worth much anyway & is on quite high wages.
Yeah I think with ETH's reputation to play to a player's strengths, worth letting him try to rescue Rashford. After all, his worth is probably too low now to sell for meaningful amounts anyway. And no one will pay his expected salary.
Not sure if well ever see the good version of Rashford again.
I think we are far to lax with players that dont perform or are not good enough and we tend to hold on to them longer than we should do.
I think we are far to lax with players that dont perform or are not good enough and we tend to hold on to them longer than we should do.
All that credit he supposedly had went down the drain when he decided he couldn't be bothered to earn his exorbitant wage. A club/supporter can forgive many things. Not putting in the effort isn't one of them.
Those things are all relevant. If you can’t see why fans would have a soft spot for a local lad who came through the ranks you’re might as well pack it in as a fan. Imagine seeing football in such a cold clinical way.
For the record I wouldn’t renew Rashford because he’s a lazy twat. But in general we should always have a few academy lads in the squad, even if they’re not the most talented, provided they visibly give a feck.
I don’t understand this view point. The manager has stated time and again that Marcus trains well but cannot transform his in game performance to match. That to me sounds like a confidence issue, a mental block if you will, not a lack of effort.
The whole squad seem broken mentally and fatally low on confidence - I don’t see a lack of effort.
Or by that time, with one year left on his contract he might dig his heels in and wait to be able to leave on a free.
I agree in principle with players like Bruno and Elanga but when I see our fullbacks getting constantly overloaded whatever side Rashford is playing on and then watch him strolling around the halfway line the obvious deduction is he's not putting the effort in. It doesn't take (lost) confidence to put in a shift. Not having the willingness to fight is what sets him apart from the rest. Being shown up by a 37 year old, a player not really famous for his work rate shows how badly Rashford has fallen. Downing tools should be an automatic sacking and that's what Rashford has basically done since he's came back from injury.
Ideally we should be paying him (all of them in fact) cash in hand after every game, the amount based on;
BASIC PAY
Result
- win/lose/draw
Fan (match) rating
- out of 10 (retrospective of course)
Goals
-scored in match (personal)
Assists
- other scorers, in match
Distance
-covered in game (relation to time on the pitch)
Passes
-successfully completed
BONUS PAYMENTS
Tackles
-number made successfully
Shots
-on target
DEDUCTIONS
Chances
-missed in match (personal) (-ve)
Passes
- uncompleted (personal) (-ve)
Losing ball
-missed placed pass
Poor Positioning
-getting caught out
MANAGERS (SPECIAL PAYMENTS)
Blocking /Body on the line
-shots on goal
Taking one (Yellow Card)
-for the team
OTHER (SEASONAL AWARDS) (online voting end of season)
Kissing the badge
Giving shirt to kid in crowd
Encouraging the fans on
Best goal celebration
(*at least it will make use of all those statistics generated)
BASIC PAY
Result
- win/lose/draw
Fan (match) rating
- out of 10 (retrospective of course)
Goals
-scored in match (personal)
Assists
- other scorers, in match
Distance
-covered in game (relation to time on the pitch)
Passes
-successfully completed
BONUS PAYMENTS
Tackles
-number made successfully
Shots
-on target
DEDUCTIONS
Chances
-missed in match (personal) (-ve)
Passes
- uncompleted (personal) (-ve)
Losing ball
-missed placed pass
Poor Positioning
-getting caught out
MANAGERS (SPECIAL PAYMENTS)
Blocking /Body on the line
-shots on goal
Taking one (Yellow Card)
-for the team
OTHER (SEASONAL AWARDS) (online voting end of season)
Kissing the badge
Giving shirt to kid in crowd
Encouraging the fans on
Best goal celebration
(*at least it will make use of all those statistics generated)
Saw this tweet and it really got me thinking. A couple of years back, there was a pretty big debate around who was the better player and who had the higher ceiling; Rashford or Jesus.
Looking at where they are in their careers now, Rashford has regressed massively whereas Jesus seems to have kicked on a bit, still certainly not the world beater that some predicted.
What I find more interesting though is the dynamics of the club. Rashford has had an appalling couple of years and yet, there doesn’t seem to be any sign of him being ditched. Jesus has had a pretty decent season, seems to have got better as the season has went on and looks like he’ll end the season with a PL medal, and yet, City are looking to move him on.
Kinda shows where we are as a club just now. We need to bring the ruthless streak back, far too many passengers in this club with Rashford very high on that list.
Definite sale. When a player's mentality is broken, there is no way he can comeback - see Pato, Oscar, Balotelli, Adriano, Anderson, Martial etc. I have watched football for 20 years, and Anelka is the only "lazy" player that has succesfully made a comeback.
The longer we hold him, the more his stock drops.
The longer we hold him, the more his stock drops.
No chance we let him go before he turns 30.
No real logic in a manager saying that a player trains badly. Pretty much guarantees that player's value collapses.
Given Ralf has pretty much called our entire squad shite I doubt this was on his mind at the time.
If he wasn’t training well, he wouldn’t play. Ralf had given Marcus plenty of chances and plenty of backing.
We aren't freakin rehabilitation center ffs.
Of we can find better player to replace him, then we should move him on. If not, as we have many other positions to fill, he will get another season to prove his worth.
Only then would it makes sense if to extend.
Of we can find better player to replace him, then we should move him on. If not, as we have many other positions to fill, he will get another season to prove his worth.
Only then would it makes sense if to extend.
That’s so depressing.
Just get some decent money for him and let him go. He stank up this place long enough.
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