Rashford considering his future...

Tarrou said:
what are you on about here?

you think United and Rashford just made this up? or...?
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He's saying Rashford played with a back injury for 12 months and then went into surgery.

Rashford got his back injury in January 2020 and didn't play again till June the same year. He went into surgery a year later for his shoulder injury 2 months after the season had ended.
 
big rons sovereign said:
Athlete does excercises,
Redcafe loses its shit.

"He's shit, sell him"
"It's all PR, who does he think he is?"

Athlete doesn't do excercises,
Redcafe loses its shit.

"He's shit, and too weak, sell him"
"He's too busy doing PR to strengthen, sell him"
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Athlete visibly downs tools during season while grossly underperforming.
Redcafe loses its shit and is justifiably wary of any PR-driven efforts by said athlete to get fans to forget the blatant disrespect shown last season.
 
Ødegaard said:
That is a fair point of view.
His limitations, assuming the information i've read over time is correct, will prevent him from reaching new heights. With enough painkillers i suspect he can play at his current level for a fairly long time, but expecting him to be back to his best over a long period of time would be unrealistic. Some of that could come in good days, at best in a few games in a row here and there.


Feel like it has to be mentioned, I'm no medical expert at all. Maybe on the forefront of being a patient experienced with living with pains but that's about it. The information that came out before about his spinal break could also have been wrong, or been misremembered.
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I think it's widely accepted that Rashford suffered a double stress fracture on his back which could be confirmed by him being seen carrying a fracture healing machine. To be honest until this day I still find it weird seeing the photo. Was it a cry for help letting the world know of his injury because surely the responsibility would lie with the medical staff in taking care of any medical equipment and not a player carrying it off the bus? I'm not sharing a conspiracy theory. It's simply just a personal observation that stuck with me which is why for me it's not misremembered the extent of his injury.

On the other hand Rashford himself said it was the first time in a long time he was playing injury free. Of course those type of injuries can still cause discomfort but if that was Rashfords problem last season then no amount of coaching will change the fact he's a spent force unless he's doped up to the eyeballs which would probably threaten his health in the long term. Is it worth it to him in the long run?

Either way I think he has to step back and evaluate what the future holds for him. The club as well before they even think about extending his contract. Lack of motivation or longterm injury worries shold be put under the microscope and acted upon no matter the player involved. If not, nothing is going to change at the club and we'll still be playing catchup another decade down the line.
 
Forevergiggs1 said:
I think it's widely accepted that Rashford suffered a double stress fracture on his back which could be confirmed by him being seen carrying a fracture healing machine. To be honest until this day I still find it weird seeing the photo. Was it a cry for help letting the world know of his injury because surely the responsibility would lie with the medical staff in taking care of any medical equipment and not a player carrying it off the bus? I'm not sharing a conspiracy theory. It's simply just a personal observation that stuck with me which is why for me it's not misremembered the extent of his injury.

On the other hand Rashford himself said it was the first time in a long time he was playing injury free. Of course those type of injuries can still cause discomfort but if that was Rashfords problem last season then no amount of coaching will change the fact he's a spent force unless he's doped up to the eyeballs which would probably threaten his health in the long term. Is it worth it to him in the long run?

Either way I think he has to step back and evaluate what the future holds for him. The club as well before they even think about extending his contract. Lack of motivation or longterm injury worries shold be put under the microscope and acted upon no matter the player involved. If not, nothing is going to change at the club and we'll still be playing catchup another decade down the line.
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If the choice is painkillers and continue to earn millions or no painkillers then i'd guess 99% of young people would take the painkillers.

I haven't seen the picture you are eluding to, but getting used to your equipment in general is fairly normal if you are able to handle it. Since it looked weird i'll assume it is fairly big equipment that someone should have carried for him.
 
Let's give him a chance to make a comeback. He had been one of our important players for a few season.

He had a few season where he performed much better than the season Sancho had with us. Sancho costs 80mil.
 
jem said:
Athlete visibly downs tools during season while grossly underperforming.
Redcafe loses its shit and is justifiably wary of any PR-driven efforts by said athlete to get fans to forget the blatant disrespect shown last season.
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Thanks for making the point.
 
Fit enough to make himself available to start every match but too injured to look competent, track back, match the efforts of someone knocking 40 or not like a sulky child when he was on the pitch never sat well with some fans, surprisingly

He’s what happens when a decent young footballer has nobody keeping his feet on the ground.
 
jem said:
Athlete visibly downs tools during season while grossly underperforming.
Redcafe loses its shit and is justifiably wary of any PR-driven efforts by said athlete to get fans to forget the blatant disrespect shown last season.
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Athlete in bad form & shows loss of confidence.
Redcafe make statements like ‘downs tools’ about certain players whilst others get a free ride.

Strange criticism to make when without him we were pummelled in multiple matches with countless players delivering career worst performances.

The guy has a PR team like no other footballer but you can do charitable things & perform badly on the pitch in tandem, he didn’t suddenly start saying/doing acts of charity/PR events the second his form fell off a cliff [*cough* our captain *cough*]. You’d think the possibility of him returning to a semblance of form & fully fit in pre-season were a bad thing. Believe it or not, not every gesture footballers make is to appease you.

Rashford feeds kids.
Redcafe posters lose shit because the world revolves around them. ‘Blatant disrespect’ is getting d*cked by Brighton :lol:

Edit: you can do charitable things
 
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His charity work isn’t irrelevant though. At least to how I think it’s contributed to some of the current issues. He was treated like a God almost. Murals, poems, awards, songs, paintings, endorsements, honours, recognition, adoration.

At the very least it wouldn’t be surprising if a young footballer who experienced that through off-field ventures would develop an attitude that was detrimental to his application and effort on the pitch. I think some of his current issues come down to the fact that adulation didn’t transfer into the day job. No matter what the industry if a successful young celebrity is surrounded by people telling him his heaven sent, when he finds himself in an environment where people are saying the opposite and he’s finding himself criticised - it’s not unexpected for him to react badly to that.

When he lost his place I think we saw the attitude problems and maybe that’s where the leaks started, undermining current and former managers, strange attacks on direct rivals to his position started to appear, Liverpool apparently never stopped calling.
 
Big year for him to reverse his decline,hopefully he's fully fit and he'll be working with a coach who will have a team structure,style of play and each player will have a defined role in that structure.
Let's not forget that good coaching may improve some players if they are prepared to listen and work hard,it's in Marcus's hands now
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
Athlete in bad form & shows loss of confidence.
Redcafe make statements like ‘downs tools’ about certain players whilst others get a free ride.

Strange criticism to make when without him we were pummelled in multiple matches with countless players delivering career worst performances.

The guy has a PR team like no other footballer but you can do charitable things & perform badly on the pitch in tandem, he didn’t suddenly start saying/doing acts of charity/PR events the second his form fell off a cliff [*cough* our captain *cough*]. You’d think the possibility of him returning to a semblance of form & fully fit in pre-season were a bad thing. Believe it or not, not every gesture footballers make is to appease you.

Rashford feeds kids.
Redcafe posters lose shit because the world revolves around them. ‘Blatant disrespect’ is getting d*cked by Brighton :lol:

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Classic whataboutism. (your statement "with countless players delivering career worst performances", other players performances have nothing do with his refusal to fight for his team)

"Athlete in bad form & shows loss of confidence"
How many athletes who were either class above their peers (national level) or world class who were in "bad form & shows loss of confidence" for almost 2 seasons,, roughly ~50 games.

No one should have problems with his charitable work + he should be praises (which I think he's; given he has MBE title now). The key question that you have no covered here is & which can only be answered by Rashford himself:
- is this is bad form or this is what his level is, he has had 2 good/great seasons and 2 absolute worst seasons.
- & is this "bad form" influenced by his other activities.

Ultimately he's responsible for his on-field performances so he can decide himself whether he wants to play bad & do great social work or he can do both.
 
Spurds are giving us money for this guy and we've turned them down to probably give him a new contract. What a waste of time.
 
dpansheth said:
Classic whataboutism. (your statement "with countless players delivering career worst performances", other players performances have nothing do with his refusal to fight for his team)
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Whataboutism because I didn’t post the majority of the first team squad. I’m longwinded enough without having to go name by name.

Refusal to fight for his team. This team/squad have shown a lack of fight on the pitch with & without him this year. That’s not whataboutism, it’s clear to see.
dpansheth said:
"Athlete in bad form & shows loss of confidence"
How many athletes who were either class above their peers (national level) or world class who were in "bad form & shows loss of confidence" for almost 2 seasons,, roughly ~50 games.
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We’re talking about Rashford. Whataboutism would be asking ‘how many athletes blah blah blah’. You can’t say ‘Player X’ never did this so. . . I’m uncomfortable with putting most players poor performances down to a lack of effort unless we’re talking Pierre Van Hooijdonk levels of downing tools but given the consensus that question marks hang over most of the squad I’d give Rashford the benefit of the doubt for at least this season. I’d argue since LvG who was archaic tactically, he’s not received elite level man to man coaching that EtH is being billed for.
dpansheth said:
No one should have problems with his charitable work + he should be praises (which I think he's; given he has MBE title now). The key question that you have no covered here is & which can only be answered by Rashford himself:
- is this is bad form or this is what his level is, he has had 2 good/great seasons and 2 absolute worst seasons.
- & is this "bad form" influenced by his other activities.
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Your first bullet point, I don’t think he’s had 2 ‘absolute worst’ seasons. Covered in post you quoted.

Second bullet point, as previous. He’s not suddenly begun charitable activities. We see these players for 90 minutes a maximum of twice a week & for a few PR laden interviews. Aside his charitable work things could have changed in his personal life for better or worse over the course of his United career. It’s far too speculative to assume we’ll ever get a proper answer to such a question.
dpansheth said:
Ultimately he's responsible for his on-field performances so he can decide himself whether he wants to play bad & do great social work or he can do both.
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No one has said he isn’t.

We should all be hoping for a return to his best form of instead of singling out players for poor team displays which is becoming far too common.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
Athlete in bad form & shows loss of confidence.
Redcafe make statements like ‘downs tools’ about certain players whilst others get a free ride.

Strange criticism to make when without him we were pummelled in multiple matches with countless players delivering career worst performances.

The guy has a PR team like no other footballer but you can do charitable things & perform badly on the pitch in tandem, he didn’t suddenly start saying/doing acts of charity/PR events the second his form fell off a cliff [*cough* our captain *cough*]. You’d think the possibility of him returning to a semblance of form & fully fit in pre-season were a bad thing. Believe it or not, not every gesture footballers make is to appease you.

Rashford feeds kids.
Redcafe posters lose shit because the world revolves around them. ‘Blatant disrespect’ is getting d*cked by Brighton :lol:

Edit: you can do charitable things
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Hey, feel free to search my posts regarding Rashford and his charitable endeavours. I've had nothing but praise for him, and continue to admire all that he's done in that regard. However, ambling about the pitch and even turning his back on a goal-scoring opportunity as he did in a game back in January (I think it was Greenwood who cut it back for him) is not loss of confidence, in my opinion - it's moping, and that is unforgivable. But kudos on the carefully-constructed post, with such disposable lines as "believe it or not, not every gesture footballers make is to appease you'. :lol:
 
Always felt that Rashford had more credit in the bank than others at United after a few seasons of strong performances. In saying that though, it will go south for him pretty fast if the next 6 months are half as bad as the last year has been. He needs to hit the ground running next season to prove he's still got it and get back in the England side for the World Cup.
 
youmeletsfly said:
I had one, the important thing is to not do anything stressful on your back for 6-8 months. That's what Rashford didn't do and it is possible that he still has some pain, but no, it should not take 18 months, not even for an athlete that sleeps in the best condition, recovers using ice and stuff, trains in the best condition, etc.

Once for all, his issue is not his injury but his attitude. The best thing for him this year is that Pogba and Lingard have both left. Let's hope he stops wearing gold chains with his name on them and focuses more on the job he's being paid to do, otherwise I don't see him at the club next year at all.
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the chains have nout to do with anything.
 
mariachi-19 said:
Took the words out of my mouth. This thread is an example of the very worst United fans.
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The guy didn't want to run for half a season because he was playing shit and getting benched, leading to some outright embarrassing performances and yet the people that want him gone are the morons?

The balls on some of you to come here and try to shift the blame onto fans after the season we've had is something else. How many chances does this guy and others like him get? You and the other top red acting ones upthread are a joke.
 
Rightnr said:
The guy didn't want to run for half a season because he was playing shit and getting benched, leading to some outright embarrassing performances and yet the people that want him gone are the morons?

The balls on some of you to come here and try to shift the blame onto fans after the season we've had is something else. How many chances does this guy and others like him get? You and the other top red acting ones upthread are a joke.
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Something something 'top red' something.
 
JanK said:
Rashford under Conte? :D

Well, that would be interesting. But Spurs would suit him actually. London, more mouths to feed than in Manchester, playing in CL and no pressure with trophies.
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Rashford is still a young man. His career AND his good deeds and gong took him to a massive high.

On the pitch has not been so good. He's far from alone. We can all be pretty sure that he knows what is being said on social media, he can hear the fans and he can read the press

He knows what is expected from him

He knows he prefers to be the barnyard rooster to the feather duster

It's up to Rashford to follow the new coaches' instructions and it's up to him to put in the effort and empty the tank
 
Some people trying to rewrite history here.
There times he blatantly refused to work for the team. That's different from a loss of confidence.
We can discuss the amazing work he's done off the pitch, his loss of form but don't gaslight.
 
It's a shame that we aren't going to cash in now, while his value is still decent and not everyone has cottened on to just how useless he is. Inevitable though. We are the worst at the business side of this football malarkey.
 
I'd love to see him leave since his first appearance its been clear he isn't that top top level we need.

even in his good patches when he's through on goal i wouldn't be confident of him finding the net if a trophy depended on it.

If he was happy to be part of the squad and rotated he would be a great asset, but something tells me he wouldn't accept such a role.
 
I think he will stay and come good probably, but his attitude and lack of effort whilst playing under Rangnick was a disgrace.
 
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