Randal Kolo Muani

[Lyng]

Kolo muani is a much better player than Hojlund, come on. He's not an amazing goalscorer but he'd 100% improve us and give us more than either Zirkzee or Hojlund are doing

Is he? He is not exactly doing anything special in the french league which isnt nearly as good as the Prem. Gyokores or Osimhen would be upgrades, this guy not so much.

 

[DWelbz19]

You might be right or wrong but your post sounds to me that you’re pushing the narrative towards Ugarte. Muani did very well in one season at Frankfurt, while Ugarte did very well in his second season at Sporting (his first season he wasn’t regular player based on the appearance numbers). Performing very well in one season in Portuguese league shouldn’t be considered as ‘’were always clear’’ in comparison to someone at Bundesliga.

You’ve misread my post. I said Ugarte’s “strengths” were always clear. And I am speaking predominantly about their respective times at PSG. For Ugarte it didn’t work as he was not tactically a good fit for Enrique’s system and style of play, however, his strengths were abundantly clear and are basically the same ones he’s showing here: winning mammoth amount of tackles and interceptions in the French league and retaining the ball with very high passing percentages.

On the other hand, Muani has 11 goals in 54 PSG matches. 1 in 14 in the CL. He hasn’t shown any of the significant qualities he had in that Frankfurt pump and dump season.

 

[stefan92]

He hasn’t shown any of the significant qualities he had in that Frankfurt pump and dump season.

On the other hand in that Frankfurt season he played in a 3421 system which is similar to what Amorim is using. So that's reason to hope he would be a better fit for that than for PSG

 

[Lash]

On the other hand in that Frankfurt season he played in a 3421 system which is similar to what Amorim is using. So that's reason to hope he would be a better fit for that than for PSG

get outta here with your nuanced argument

 

[Lyng]

On the other hand in that Frankfurt season he played in a 3421 system which is similar to what Amorim is using. So that's reason to hope he would be a better fit for that than for PSG

Was that the only season they played that system? Given that he didnt put up those kind of numbers in other seasons

 

[REDARMY45]

We need bodies up top. As long as it's only a loan with an option to buy - then it's a massive positive - simple as that.

 

[stefan92]

Was that the only season they played that system? Given that he didnt put up those kind of numbers in other seasons

No, Frankfurt used that in different variations for years under Kovac, Hütter and Glasner. It was just Kolo Muani's only season in Frankfurt.

 

[Lash]

I wanted him in the summer to be honest, so happy we could potentially be back in for him. We both got a good deal from PSG with Ugarte, so I'm sure relationships would be decent. Even if it was just a loan.

 

[Lyng]

No, Frankfurt used that in different variations for years under Kovac, Hütter and Glasner. It was just Kolo Muani's only season in Frankfurt.

Ahh okay. I actually though he was there for more than one. Well that does change my view on this transfer.

 

[JE-365]

You’ve misread my post. I said Ugarte’s “strengths” were always clear. And I am speaking predominantly about their respective times at PSG. For Ugarte it didn’t work as he was not tactically a good fit for Enrique’s system and style of play, however, his strengths were abundantly clear and are basically the same ones he’s showing here: winning mammoth amount of tackles and interceptions in the French league and retaining the ball with very high passing percentages.

On the other hand, Muani has 11 goals in 54 PSG matches. 1 in 14 in the CL. He hasn’t shown any of the significant qualities he had in that Frankfurt pump and dump season.

https://totalfootballanalysis.com/p...202223-scout-report-tactical-analysis-tactics

Based on the link above, the followings are Muani’s significant qualities he had at Frankfurt:
- His ability to take on players.
- Effective in the progression into dangerous areas
- Not a selfish player and has ability to create
- mobile striker who involves everywhere on the pitch.
- high defensive ability.

Based on his current fbref, nothing has changed at PSG about his significant qualities that he had at Frankfurt:
- His ability to take on players. (2.17 takes-on per 90 mins at PSG 97 percentiles).
- Effective in the progression into dangerous areas (1.75 progressive carrier ‘’74 percentiles’’ & 8.62 progressive passes received at PSG ‘’93 percentiles’’).
- Not a selfish player and has ability to create (3.01 shot-creating actions per 90 min at PSG ‘’77 percentiles’’).
- mobile striker who involves everywhere on the pitch.(76 percentile touches, 90 percentile touches in final third, 86 percentile touches in penalty box, & 8.62 progressive passes received at PSG ‘’93 percentiles’’).
- Aggressive and high defensive contribution (86 percentile tackles, 56 percentile interceptions, and 79 percentile defensive actions that lead to shot attempt)

Are these strength not clear enough? I’m not trying to make Muani looks good, but I thought what Muani offers in his strength is pretty clear to me.

IMO your post is still lacking of information or still being unclear. You didn’t explain why Ugarte doesn’t fit Enrique style despite of having high amount of tackles, interceptions, high retaining ball with high passing percentages because based on Ugarte’s significant qualities you mentioned, he should fit to any system that play possession based system like Enrique.

Well, let me express what I think about why Ugarte doesn’t fit.
IMO, the reason is because Ugarte is more a double pivot midfielder, he’s not holding midfielder. Enrique plays 433 so Ugarte doesn’t fit to his holding midfielder criteria in 433. So if we just talking about Ugarte significant qualities/strengths, no one would know why he doesn’t fit to Enrique system.

The same logic applies on Muani. If we’re just talking about his strength that I mentioned about Muani, no one would know why he doesn’t fit to Enrique system.

Both have one thing in common that before they joined PSG, their best season comes from playing in 3421 system, and they don’t fit playing in Enrique system. Therefore, there is a comparison.

 

[DWelbz19]

Both have one thing in common that before they joined PSG, their best season comes from playing in 3421 system, and they don’t fit playing in Enrique system. Therefore, there is a comparison.

We're going to simply have to agree to disagree, then. I just don't feel it is an accurate comparison. To put simply: Ugarte was a pretty good player under a system that didn't bring out his best qualities. Whilst Muani may be a victim of the latter also, I just don't think he is the former.

Muani just simply hasn't performed to the standard expected of a player signed for that money, point blank. You bring up all those percentiles but fail to acknowledge the one that's probably of greatest significance -- he is in the bottom 14th percentile for non penalty xG which is a monumental decrease from his 81st percentile in his one season at Frankfurt. Again, loop back to his disappointing goals stats since joining a much weaker league.

You, and others have mentioned the system not suiting Muani, which may be fair. But would it not be just as fair to point out that Muani joins a relatively long list of recent Frankfurt forwards who have all been sold on and struggled at bigger clubs post-Frankfurt? Haller; Jovic; Muani; Lindstrom; Andre Silva.

As I say, I very much see Muani as nothing more than Frankfurt's system adorning his talents and giving the image that he is more talented than he actually is. I wouldn't be surprised to see Marmoush (another Frankfurt player who has sprung to life from nowhere at the age of 25) suffer similar fate when he makes a move.

 

[JPRouve]

We're going to simply have to agree to disagree, then. I just don't feel it is an accurate comparison. To put simply: Ugarte was a pretty good player under a system that didn't bring out his best qualities. Whilst Muani may be a victim of the latter also, I just don't think he is the former.

Muani just simply hasn't performed to the standard expected of a player signed for that money, point blank. You bring up all those percentiles but fail to acknowledge the one that's probably of greatest significance -- he is in the bottom 14th percentile for non penalty xG which is a monumental decrease from his 81st percentile in his one season at Frankfurt. Again, loop back to his disappointing goals stats since joining a much weaker league.

You, and others have mentioned the system not suiting Muani, which may be fair. But would it not be just as fair to point out that Muani joins a relatively long list of recent Frankfurt forwards who have all been sold on and struggled at bigger clubs post-Frankfurt? Haller; Jovic; Muani; Lindstrom; Andre Silva.

As I say, I very much see Muani as nothing more than Frankfurt's system adorning his talents and giving the image that he is more talented than he actually is. I wouldn't be surprised to see Marmoush (another Frankfurt player who has sprung to life from nowhere at the age of 25) suffer similar fate when he makes a move.

That part is the key. I don't want Kolo Muani because he has a low ceiling and a low floor but if I'm being 100% honest, if he was cheap like a Choupo-Moting was when he joined PSG or Bayern then he would be a good signing as a squad player. Kolo Muani works hard and he does create chances, that he invariable butcher but he does create them. It's easy to like his attitude but his clumsiness is extremely frustrating.

 

[Uncle Mainoo]

We're going to simply have to agree to disagree, then. I just don't feel it is an accurate comparison. To put simply: Ugarte was a pretty good player under a system that didn't bring out his best qualities. Whilst Muani may be a victim of the latter also, I just don't think he is the former.

Muani just simply hasn't performed to the standard expected of a player signed for that money, point blank. You bring up all those percentiles but fail to acknowledge the one that's probably of greatest significance -- he is in the bottom 14th percentile for non penalty xG which is a monumental decrease from his 81st percentile in his one season at Frankfurt. Again, loop back to his disappointing goals stats since joining a much weaker league.

You, and others have mentioned the system not suiting Muani, which may be fair. But would it not be just as fair to point out that Muani joins a relatively long list of recent Frankfurt forwards who have all been sold on and struggled at bigger clubs post-Frankfurt? Haller; Jovic; Muani; Lindstrom; Andre Silva.

As I say, I very much see Muani as nothing more than Frankfurt's system adorning his talents and giving the image that he is more talented than he actually is. I wouldn't be surprised to see Marmoush (another Frankfurt player who has sprung to life from nowhere at the age of 25) suffer similar fate when he makes a move.

Simply put that German league is very suspect when it comes to g/a. Which is why I will say good luck to anyone signing Marmoush.

However I don’t agree he’s a bad player just not worth what he was signed for. He is a bench player at best like how France use him. For us and where we currently are I think he’s a great impact player who fits perfectly in the left and right 10 which would help us move up the table from here until the end of the season.

After that let PSG sort out where he goes next but he should not be a permanent signing.

 

[Robbie Boy]

We're going to simply have to agree to disagree, then. I just don't feel it is an accurate comparison. To put simply: Ugarte was a pretty good player under a system that didn't bring out his best qualities. Whilst Muani may be a victim of the latter also, I just don't think he is the former.

Muani just simply hasn't performed to the standard expected of a player signed for that money, point blank. You bring up all those percentiles but fail to acknowledge the one that's probably of greatest significance -- he is in the bottom 14th percentile for non penalty xG which is a monumental decrease from his 81st percentile in his one season at Frankfurt. Again, loop back to his disappointing goals stats since joining a much weaker league.

You, and others have mentioned the system not suiting Muani, which may be fair. But would it not be just as fair to point out that Muani joins a relatively long list of recent Frankfurt forwards who have all been sold on and struggled at bigger clubs post-Frankfurt? Haller; Jovic; Muani; Lindstrom; Andre Silva.

As I say, I very much see Muani as nothing more than Frankfurt's system adorning his talents and giving the image that he is more talented than he actually is. I wouldn't be surprised to see Marmoush (another Frankfurt player who has sprung to life from nowhere at the age of 25) suffer similar fate when he makes a move.

Agreed. Also agreed re Marmoush.

 

[JE-365]

We're going to simply have to agree to disagree, then. I just don't feel it is an accurate comparison. To put simply: Ugarte was a pretty good player under a system that didn't bring out his best qualities. Whilst Muani may be a victim of the latter also, I just don't think he is the former.

Muani just simply hasn't performed to the standard expected of a player signed for that money, point blank. You bring up all those percentiles but fail to acknowledge the one that's probably of greatest significance -- he is in the bottom 14th percentile for non penalty xG which is a monumental decrease from his 81st percentile in his one season at Frankfurt. Again, loop back to his disappointing goals stats since joining a much weaker league.

You, and others have mentioned the system not suiting Muani, which may be fair. But would it not be just as fair to point out that Muani joins a relatively long list of Frankfurt forwards who have all been sold on and struggled at bigger clubs post-Frankfurt? Haller; Jovic; Muani; Lindstrom; Andre Silva.

As I say, I very much see Muani as nothing more than Frankfurt's system adorning his talents and giving the image that he is more talented than he actually is. I wouldn't be surprised to see Marmoush (another Frankfurt player who has sprung to life from nowhere at the age of 25) suffer similar fate when he makes a move.

IMO it’s not a fair and it would be a lazy argument to point out that Muani joins a relatively long list of Frankfurt forwards who have all been sold on and struggled at bigger clubs post-Frankfurt because lot of those players are different type of striker to Muani. For example. Haller is a target man, he wouldn’t suit to Amorim’s striker criteria & Jovic lacks of physicality (speed & strength) to play in PL. Neither are mobile striker and neither have the same assets as Muani. Someone like Haller would become useless without his goals, while Muani would offer more than goals hence his significant assets at Frankfurt was actually not the goals or the xG based on what mentioned on the link I provided. Talking about goals is pointless in bundesliga.

From what I see, he’s more identical to Welbeck. Strong, quick, mobile, pressing machine, can drive the ball forward, good in link up play, can bring others into play, and has better take-on than Welbeck. Sounds to me PL will suit his style.

And we shouldn’t even need to talk about the money or transfer fees because if he joins us this January it would a loan move not a permanent move. Therefore, he would be considered as short term signing.

The only question now is will he be upgrade of Hojlund to help us to perform better in the league or even help us to win the EL this season?

 

[DWelbz19]

while Muani would offer more than goals hence his significant assets at Frankfurt was actually not the goals or the xG based on what mentioned on the link I provided

… so why is he disliked by PSG fans and French fans don’t want him starting NT matches? Because he’s certainly not offering goals but his “percentiles” are amazing, as you so rightly pointed out.

He’s just not a particularly good player.

The only question now is will he be upgrade of Hojlund to help us to perform better in the league or even help us to win the EL this season?

To which the answer is no. Or… “eh… I guess? Maybe?”

If you’re really desperate to get in a pointless 6 month loan, by all means go crazy. Just make sure there’s absolutely no stench of an obligation or even an option to buy, because he’s not good enough.

 

[Dannn411]

Is he? He is not exactly doing anything special in the french league which isnt nearly as good as the Prem. Gyokores or Osimhen would be upgrades, this guy not so much.

Ugarte was also not doing anything special in the French League. This is not how players are judged. You judge them on their individual strengths and weaknesses. His strengths (Very versatile, quick, high engine) make him equally suited to the demands of PL football as the other two names and he'd be many times cheaper than Gyokeres or Osimhen.

 

[Keyser]

For me it depends who it's for, Zirkzee I think it's too early and too much of a risk, if it's to replace Rashford then why not give him a go as Rashford isn't playing

 

[croadyman]

For me it depends who it's for, Zirkzee I think it's too early and too much of a risk, if it's to replace Rashford then why not give him a go as Rashford isn't playing

According to Ornstein players want Zirkzee to stay

 

[Keyser]

According to Ornstein players want Zirkzee to stay

I think he should too, far too soon to make a complete judgement imo

Rashford out, Muani in for 6 months loan to see would be great

 

[stefan92]

IMO it’s not a fair and it would be a lazy argument to point out that Muani joins a relatively long list of Frankfurt forwards who have all been sold on and struggled at bigger clubs post-Frankfurt because lot of those players are different type of striker to Muani.

But does that matter ? It's true that Frankfurt had been excellent in recent years to get their strikers to perform extremely well, no matter who exactly it was and what his strengths were. And it's really a Frankfurt thing, not a Bundesliga topic as we can see by Andre Silva doing nothing once he moved to Leipzig.

 

[croadyman]

I think he should too, far too soon to make a complete judgement imo

Rashford out, Muani in for 6 months loan to see would be great

Just worry we haven't got a proven goalscorer

 

[JPRouve]

But does that matter ? It's true that Frankfurt had been excellent in recent years to get their strikers to perform extremely well, no matter who exactly it was and what his strengths were. And it's really a Frankfurt thing, not a Bundesliga topic as we can see by Andre Silva doing nothing once he moved to Leipzig.

It's also not a Bundesliga thing because it's true in every single league in the world. For some reason every year people make the strange mistake to think that average or below average players don't have good stats. It's as if the likes of Callum Wilson, Wood, Solanke, Bamford, Mateta and whoever is in-form exist. Those players are a thing every single year, those are the players that sign for bigger clubs, most of the time they can't step up and sometimes they turn into world beaters.

 

[stefan92]

It's also not a Bundesliga thing because it's true in every single league in the world. For some reason every year people make the strange mistake to think that average or below average players don't have good stats. It's as if the likes of Callum Wilson, Wood, Solanke, Bamford, Mateta and whoever is in-form exist. Those players are a thing every single year, those are the players that sign for bigger clubs, most of the time they can't step up and sometimes they turn into world beaters.

Well yes, but Frankfurt is somehow able to have their striker being that player who gets great stats. You can look at the past decade and they will always have one (or even more) of the best performing forwards in the league, and it's always somebody different.

 

[croadyman]

Interesting to see it lists one of his weaknesses on whoscored as holding onto ball

 

[JPRouve]

Well yes, but Frankfurt is somehow able to have their striker being that player who gets great stats. You can look at the past decade and they will always have one (or even more) of the best performing forwards in the league, and it's always somebody different.

While it's factual, it's meaningless beyond the idea that Frankfurt is one of the clubs that has the means financial and analytical to target strikers for their level. There are other clubs like that Sevilla, Villarreal, Atalanta or in the mid 2010s Atletico. Spurs or Aston Villa were also like that at some point.

 

[JE-365]

… so why is he disliked by PSG fans and French fans don’t want him starting NT matches? Because he’s certainly not offering goals but his “percentiles” are amazing, as you so rightly pointed out.

He’s just not a particularly good player.

Because the massive fees PSG paid is key factor, he’s not performing like a top class player as per what the club paid. Paying 90m but they got striker who plays and performs like Welbeck instead.

You said he hasn’t shown any of the significant qualities he had in that Frankfurt. The truth is he has, which the stuff I pointed out were his strength that he showed at Frankfurt, which exactly what he still doing at PSG.

To which the answer is no. Or… “eh… I guess? Maybe?”

If you’re really desperate to get in a pointless 6 month loan, by all means go crazy. Just make sure there’s absolutely no stench of an obligation or even an option to buy, because he’s not good enough.

Not sure why are you telling me that, did I ever say the loan needs to be obligation to buy?

 

[UnitedSofa]

 

[AltiUn]

Do we reckon he'd be a decent loan signing then or not? Reading a lot of conflicting opinions in here.

 

[croadyman]

Do we reckon he'd be a decent loan signing then or not? Reading a lot of conflicting opinions in here.

I still need convincing, mind you sounds like PSG are only interested in a loan with obligation whereas we only want loan with option. So presume Spurs or possibly Juventus are in the driving seat for him

 

[Steve 007]

We need an attacker. I’m not convinced but a loan seems like a good option. If he doesn’t cut it buy Goyorkes in the summer. If he scores a few goals great, if he sets the world a light then we could buy and ship out zirkzee it’s a win win.

 

[tenpoless]

If he comes I reckon he would do alright but not fantastic or anything. Can do the job, thats it. Similar to Sabitzer loan.

 

[Telsim]

B-list footballer and a bad striker. He is fairly quick and athletic, but I think he'd struggle with the physicality of the league. He is already very average while playing for the best team in the significantly weaker Ligue 1. More mediocrity is hardly what this team needs.

I don't think there's even a point having him on a loan because I significantly doubt he'd improve anything at all.

 

[croadyman]

B-list footballer and a bad striker. He is fairly quick and athletic, but I think he'd struggle with the physicality of the league. He is already very average while playing for the best team in the significantly weaker Ligue 1. More mediocrity is hardly what this team needs.

I don't think there's even a point having him on a loan because I significantly doubt he'd improve anything at all.

So what would you do when Rashford goes on loan then just out of interest?

 

[rainey]

B-list footballer and a bad striker. He is fairly quick and athletic, but I think he'd struggle with the physicality of the league. He is already very average while playing for the best team in the significantly weaker Ligue 1. More mediocrity is hardly what this team needs.

I don't think there's even a point having him on a loan because I significantly doubt he'd improve anything at all.

I'm curious; how would you explain that Ugarte, who looked pretty poor (except in those first few months) in a "significantly weaker" Ligue 1, performs like he's world class now in the Premiership? Or do you think it's perhaps more about systems and coaches and adaptibility? Take Wijnaldum for example, who took the opposite route a few seasons ago. Man was supposedly a press resistant glue guy and yet the minute he stepped onto the L1 pitch he was bullied around like a schoolboy and was arguably the worst man on the pitch in a good portion of his PSG appearances.

 

[Tallis]

We are notoriously short of goals. He is not a great goal scorer but averages 1 G + A every 2 games. He has played in 2 leagues. I think worth a punt with some option to buy. At the least, we get some legs for the remainder of the season

 

[croadyman]

If he comes I reckon he would do alright but not fantastic or anything. Can do the job, thats it. Similar to Sabitzer loan.

Honestly think that's the best we can hope for

 

[Escobar]

Rashford sol, Muani in until summer, then we buy a proper striker (whilst buying a proper striker and an attacker)

 

[imonkmc]

Loan option better than buying, he is a limited player the few times I’ve watched him.

 

[gulli_G]

Juventus, Kolo Muani first choice for attack: contacts continue with player's entourage and PSG



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