Ramadan 2013

Good point and that's how I feel also. Without communication relationships will decline and events such as these do provide a good environment to address their concerns.

I note that the article mentioned "some Muslim activists," as calling for the boycott. It appears that no community is safe from self-appointed spokesmen whose primary desire is to make themselves important at the expense of common sense and decency.

I can't imagine the good folks at Fresno's Islamic Culture Center (about 1/4 mile up the road from my house) would cater to the idea of a boycott--they have been very active in ecumenical get-togethers to promote an awareness and appreciation of other religions and philosophies.
 
I note that the article mentioned "some Muslim activists," as calling for the boycott. It appears that no community is safe from self-appointed spokesmen whose primary desire is to make themselves important at the expense of common sense and decency.
I would generally agree with you but I think this a little different (fasting and being forced fed) and those 'spokesmen' are of the middle class type. Even though still you are right with regards to the 'decency' part in that they should present their concerns cordially in light of the occasion.
I can't imagine the good folks at Fresno's Islamic Culture Center (about 1/4 mile up the road from my house) would cater to the idea of a boycott--they have been very active in ecumenical get-togethers to promote an awareness and appreciation of other religions and philosophies.

That's always nice to see and even better to engage. I hope their appreciation of each other seeps down to the younger generation where emotions seem to range from detachment to frustration. However, I sense that US Muslims perhaps feel more integrated or should I say patriotic with comparison to their European counterparts. Credit to US citizenship perhaps?
 
Quick question lads, if you wouldn't mind enlightening me? I've driven back from town around 10 o'clock a few nights in the last two weeks and my drive takes me through Cheetham Hill, and there's quite a few Halal restaurants, which I've noticed are quite busy at that particular time. It got me wondering about Ramadan and the rules for it, per se.

Are you only allowed to eat once the sun sets, and what are the rules for touching food during Ramadan hours? Are you allowed to prepare food during the day for consumption at night? Fair play to all of you partaking in it, it must be a very tough - yet rewarding - challenge.
 
I was on Wilmslow road at around 2.30am after a night out recently and it was almost as busy as it would be during the daytime. With this being the Summer holidays, kids were obviously being allowed to stay up all night and it felt really weird being surrounded by young families while I was stumbling around looking for a taxi.

Quick question lads, if you wouldn't mind enlightening me? I've driven back from town around 10 o'clock a few nights in the last two weeks and my drive takes me through Cheetham Hill, and there's quite a few Halal restaurants, which I've noticed are quite busy at that particular time. It got me wondering about Ramadan and the rules for it, per se.

Are you only allowed to eat once the sun sets, and what are the rules for touching food during Ramadan hours? Are you allowed to prepare food during the day for consumption at night? Fair play to all of you partaking in it, it must be a very tough - yet rewarding - challenge.

Touching and preparation is allowed. You're even allowed to take a small taste to check that you've got the right proportion of herbs and spices in whatever you're cooking, with the obvious caveat that you don't actually consume anything.
 
Quick question lads, if you wouldn't mind enlightening me? I've driven back from town around 10 o'clock a few nights in the last two weeks and my drive takes me through Cheetham Hill, and there's quite a few Halal restaurants, which I've noticed are quite busy at that particular time. It got me wondering about Ramadan and the rules for it, per se.

Are you only allowed to eat once the sun sets, and what are the rules for touching food during Ramadan hours? Are you allowed to prepare food during the day for consumption at night? Fair play to all of you partaking in it, it must be a very tough - yet rewarding - challenge.

You are allowed to handle food during the fast to prepare and/or to sell. With regards to the fast itself, nothing should pass your throat (drinking, eating, smoking etc) and must abstain from 'sexual' activities between sunrise and sunset. There are exceptions to this rule such as inhalers for asthma sufferers.
 
Hey there Ramatards, when is Eid going to be this year in UK/Manchester? I'd heard Thursday or Friday, but I just checked a website where they claimed it would be Saturday. When is it?
 
Hey there Ramatards, when is Eid going to be this year in UK/Manchester? I'd heard Thursday or Friday, but I just checked a website where they claimed it would be Saturday. When is it?

No chance it's gonna be saturday in the UK. It'll be on Thursday in the US and Australia - think the Saudis are gonna do the same....so I guess, Thursday in the UK too.

Which means most of the subcontinent will be celebrating on friday.
 
You are allowed to handle food during the fast to prepare and/or to sell. With regards to the fast itself, nothing should pass your throat (drinking, eating, smoking etc) and must abstain from 'sexual' activities between sunrise and sunset. There are exceptions to this rule such as inhalers for asthma sufferers.

So you can't even drink water? Excuse my ignorance.
 
So you can't even drink water? Excuse my ignorance.

My hairdresser - a Libyan - has told me he drinks water during Ramadan, but absolutely no food whatsoever until the permitted time. I'm sure the lads can clarify a bit more.
Nope. Nothing should pass your throat. There are however conditions where one is excused from fasting.
 
Eid Mubarak Muslim brothers.
 
Eid Mubarak everyone. I should have celebrated today but was 'conned' by new owners of the mosque I usually frequented who suddenly announced it with the Saudis around 11pm. I'll have to make up a missed fast, but that's ok.
 
You were conned how exactly ? They announced that it was the Eid in the following day whereas it wasn't ?

Nope. Nothing should pass your throat. There are however conditions where one is excused from fasting.

If one is sick to the point that fasting can be dangerous, if a women is pregnant or is on her periods, if someone is on a lengthy travel (this requires more detail as there are a lot of different versions), if someone is mentally challenged.
 
Why Do Cosmopolitan White People Love Wishing Me Eid Mubarak?


Over the last month or so, the world’s one billion Muslims celebrated the holy month of Ramadan by fasting from dawn to dusk, or providing excuses as to why they couldn't. On Ramadan’s last day, believers celebrate Eid al-Fitr, which marks the end of the lowercase-h hunger games. The holiday is a party. The haves give money to the have-nots, people throw lavish feasts for friends and family, and everyone revels in the return to normalcy.

Eid was yesterday. I learned this on the subway yesterday morning, when a stranger took a look at me (full disclosure: I'm brown) and said "Eid Mubarak," the standard felicitation, which means "happy Eid." I grew up in a secular family, and I had no idea that yesterday was Eid. When I checked Facebook, I found that many of my Facebook friends had echoed the commuter’s well-wishes in their statuses. A few of them even went to the trouble of writing in Arabic. I even had coworkers wish me an "Eid Mubarak," and then ask why I wasn’t home with my family.
I could write about how it’s insensitive for folks like the commuter and my coworkers to assume, based on my skin color and last name, that I’m a pious Muslim, and how it's not any better than TSA agents assuming that I’m carrying anthrax in my shoes. I could also write about how, even though the commuter and my coworkers had good intentions, they completely overlooked the possibility that I may be a brown non-Muslim (they exist), or that these very people who gleefully say, "Eid Mubarak" would probably cringe if someone wished them a merry Christmas. Really, there's subject matter here for days. But I think it’s most important to get to the bottom of why white people love wishing the world Eid Mubarak.

(Before I continue, let me just say that I know this phenomenon is not unique to white people. I’m following the example set byTeju Cole and the blogStuff White People Like, both of which use "white" as a catch-all to describe privileged people of any race who are well-educated and belong to the upper middle class. Let's face it, "stuff white people like" rolls off the tongue a lot more easily than "stuff that privileged of people of any race who are well-educated and belong to the upper middle class like." While there may be a racial component, that’s a discussion we'll need to have another time.)

Many of the Eid greetings in question aren’t directed at specific people. Eid Mubaraks can be found in blast announcements on Facebook, sometimes accompanied by a picture of a mosque or Muslims praying. A colleague to whom I was complaining suggested that this could be great public diplomacy for the United States, complementing the White House's statement on Eid, and those of several embassies. But I hardly think we’re winning hearts and minds through social media. The only people who’d see your Facebook updates or Tweets are your friends (and the NSA).
My theory on why white people love to bring up Eid? Young, educated, cosmopolitan kids play the game of travel one-upmanship, comparing how many countries they've lived in, the number of languages they speak, and how many friends they have in exotic locales. (I'm guilty of it, too. Just last week, I bragged, "I know so many people in Western Europe, I can basically live there for free.") These simple and impersonal Eid Mubaraks do little more than assert one's knowledge of foreign holidays. It’s a perfect way for folks to demonstrate their worldliness and knowledge of foreign cultures, and even the cultural diversity of their friends ("I clearly have so many Muslim friends that Eid deserved its own shout-out"). The political *********** Stanley Fish called this sort of behavior "boutique multiculturalism," and said that it is characterized by a "superficial or cosmetic relationship to the objects of its affection." If you are not Muslim, but your relationship with Islam runs deep, then why not send individual Muslims greetings and well-wishes? Or you could actually celebrate with your Muslim friends, attending their parties and prayers. If you really want to empathize with them, try fasting for a day or two during Ramadan. If you feel especially moved by the charitable aspect of Eid, donate money.

This phenomenon isn't limited to Eid, but extends to other ethnic holidays. Several of my Hindu friends commented that they notice the same thing during Diwali. I've also seen it on Cinco de Mayo, Día de los Muertos, and Yom Yippur. Strangely, I don't see as much of this behavior on days that are relevant to Americans, like Veterans Day. If you feel the urge to wish people outside of your ethnic group a happy holiday, do so personally, and try to demonstrate some interest in the significance of the holiday and its rituals. You don’t need you to brag about how cosmopolitan you are or send mass emails to your colleagues.

We get it. You studied abroad.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/58885/why-do-cosmopolitan-white-people-love-wishing-me-eid-mubarak
 
Eid Mubarak everyone. I should have celebrated today but was 'conned' by new owners of the mosque I usually frequented who suddenly announced it with the Saudis around 11pm. I'll have to make up a missed fast, but that's ok.

the mosque must be run by saudi funded wahabis..you should stay away.
 
My theory on why white people love to bring up Eid? Young, educated, cosmopolitan kids play the game of travel one-upmanship, comparing how many countries they've lived in, the number of languages they speak, and how many friends they have in exotic locales.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/58885/why-do-cosmopolitan-white-people-love-wishing-me-eid-mubarak

Or maybe they are just being inclusive and nice. If someone says "Happy Christmas" (I'm not a Christian) to me I pretty much say the same back to them, I can't imagine being offended at their assumption of my beliefs or feel the need to blog about it.
 
the mosque must be run by saudi funded wahabis..you should stay away.

Firstly, just wanted to say that article about 'white' people wishing Eid as a one-upmanship was a bit offensive to me. One of the best things about England and specially London is how willing people are to be inclusive, and learn about others without showing off about it.

Secondly, basically nearly all mosques (90%+) in the UK are wahabbi/Saudi funded somehow. I don't consider that to be a huge problem (I'm ahle sunnah by the way, not a wahabbi).

However, the management of my large mosque were far stricter with the Saudi's regarding moonsighting and would (correctly) follow Wifaqul Ulama. On this particular occasion though I have come to find out there was a 'management change' at the last moment that declared, at around 11pm (while people were correctly in the middle of their 30th night Taraweehs), to stop everyting as the moon had been sighted in Portugal (of all places).

This was barefacedly declared despite the moon not being sighted anywhere nearby (Spain, Morocco, France, South Africa, etc). And according to the moonsighting.com website it was mathematically impossible to be sighted in Portugal anyway. Bottom line is this new Saudi man wanted the mosque to fall in line with the Saudi Eid calendar and Portugal was a convenient red herring. Unfortunately, this mosque is the largest one in my area and I need to frequent it for big occasions due to the ladies in my family. Otherwise I was happy to sticking to the much smaller Ahle Sunnah mosque (but no facilities for ladies during Eid as its only a small converted shop).

To conclude, I missed a valid fast of Ramadan and will need to make up for it God willing. Not a big problem but left this Eid a bit deflated once the truth all came out. Hey ho.
 
Why Do Cosmopolitan White People Love Wishing Me Eid Mubarak?


Over the last month or so, the world’s one billion Muslims celebrated the holy month of Ramadan by fasting from dawn to dusk, or providing excuses as to why they couldn't. On Ramadan’s last day, believers celebrate Eid al-Fitr, which marks the end of the lowercase-h hunger games. The holiday is a party. The haves give money to the have-nots, people throw lavish feasts for friends and family, and everyone revels in the return to normalcy.

Eid was yesterday. I learned this on the subway yesterday morning, when a stranger took a look at me (full disclosure: I'm brown) and said "Eid Mubarak," the standard felicitation, which means "happy Eid." I grew up in a secular family, and I had no idea that yesterday was Eid. When I checked Facebook, I found that many of my Facebook friends had echoed the commuter’s well-wishes in their statuses. A few of them even went to the trouble of writing in Arabic. I even had coworkers wish me an "Eid Mubarak," and then ask why I wasn’t home with my family.
I could write about how it’s insensitive for folks like the commuter and my coworkers to assume, based on my skin color and last name, that I’m a pious Muslim, and how it's not any better than TSA agents assuming that I’m carrying anthrax in my shoes. I could also write about how, even though the commuter and my coworkers had good intentions, they completely overlooked the possibility that I may be a brown non-Muslim (they exist), or that these very people who gleefully say, "Eid Mubarak" would probably cringe if someone wished them a merry Christmas. Really, there's subject matter here for days. But I think it’s most important to get to the bottom of why white people love wishing the world Eid Mubarak.

(Before I continue, let me just say that I know this phenomenon is not unique to white people. I’m following the example set byTeju Cole and the blogStuff White People Like, both of which use "white" as a catch-all to describe privileged people of any race who are well-educated and belong to the upper middle class. Let's face it, "stuff white people like" rolls off the tongue a lot more easily than "stuff that privileged of people of any race who are well-educated and belong to the upper middle class like." While there may be a racial component, that’s a discussion we'll need to have another time.)

Many of the Eid greetings in question aren’t directed at specific people. Eid Mubaraks can be found in blast announcements on Facebook, sometimes accompanied by a picture of a mosque or Muslims praying. A colleague to whom I was complaining suggested that this could be great public diplomacy for the United States, complementing the White House's statement on Eid, and those of several embassies. But I hardly think we’re winning hearts and minds through social media. The only people who’d see your Facebook updates or Tweets are your friends (and the NSA).
My theory on why white people love to bring up Eid? Young, educated, cosmopolitan kids play the game of travel one-upmanship, comparing how many countries they've lived in, the number of languages they speak, and how many friends they have in exotic locales. (I'm guilty of it, too. Just last week, I bragged, "I know so many people in Western Europe, I can basically live there for free.") These simple and impersonal Eid Mubaraks do little more than assert one's knowledge of foreign holidays. It’s a perfect way for folks to demonstrate their worldliness and knowledge of foreign cultures, and even the cultural diversity of their friends ("I clearly have so many Muslim friends that Eid deserved its own shout-out"). The political *********** Stanley Fish called this sort of behavior "boutique multiculturalism," and said that it is characterized by a "superficial or cosmetic relationship to the objects of its affection." If you are not Muslim, but your relationship with Islam runs deep, then why not send individual Muslims greetings and well-wishes? Or you could actually celebrate with your Muslim friends, attending their parties and prayers. If you really want to empathize with them, try fasting for a day or two during Ramadan. If you feel especially moved by the charitable aspect of Eid, donate money.

This phenomenon isn't limited to Eid, but extends to other ethnic holidays. Several of my Hindu friends commented that they notice the same thing during Diwali. I've also seen it on Cinco de Mayo, Día de los Muertos, and Yom Yippur. Strangely, I don't see as much of this behavior on days that are relevant to Americans, like Veterans Day. If you feel the urge to wish people outside of your ethnic group a happy holiday, do so personally, and try to demonstrate some interest in the significance of the holiday and its rituals. You don’t need you to brag about how cosmopolitan you are or send mass emails to your colleagues.

We get it. You studied abroad.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/58885/why-do-cosmopolitan-white-people-love-wishing-me-eid-mubarak

What a pile of crap.
 
Happy normalcy again all our former fasting cohorts. Hope you got through Ramadan happily and as painlessly as possible.
 
Belated Eid Mubarak peeps and a thank you to everyone dropped a line in this thread. Anyone else miss fasting? Not having to worry about meals :O