Ralph Hasenhüttl

Adnan said:
I mentioned him as a possible candidate to take over at the club when Mourinho was fired but not many gave him a second thought which is a pattern that has developed on here for years where many are just fixated on CV/resume rather than style of play/strategy. I'd take Hassenhuttl over Poch if it came down to appointing a new coach. But my preference is still Marco Rose or Nagelmann with Peter Bosz also someone that i'm keeping a close watch over this season.
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I am ok with one of Rose or Hassenhuttl. Naggelsmann is still an unknown quantity for me (now watch him destroy us on wed )

Yeah, there are some good options out there. Knowing Woodward we will certainly end up with Poch. Not saying it would be a bad option but I dont rate Poch above those guys.
 
Good managerial addition to the league. Love their midfield and they could be a threat to the top 6 if they improved the defense and got better support for Ings. Saying that, Adams has done well for the last two games, so here's hoping he continues to keep on improving.
 
bond19821982 said:
I am ok with one of Rose or Hassenhuttl. Naggelsmann is still an unknown quantity for me (now watch him destroy us on wed )

Yeah, there are some good options out there. Knowing Woodward we will certainly end up with Poch. Not saying it would be a bad option but I dont rate Poch above those guys.
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Rose and Naggelsmann seem to be the most highly rated young German managers. Hopefully we bag one of them next (I'm sure we won't though). They seem to play an exciting brand of football to boot.

Hassenhutti I don't believe is regarded that highly from what I understand. Isn't his reputation more from working with Klopp than on his own merit as a manager?
 
neilv93 said:
It's risk v reward really isn't it? Saints look ridiculous sometimes (Spurs loss) and excellent at others (today, among others). I'd love to see that sort of approach at Utd, especially our squad.

I think if Ole were to go, beyond the inevitable Poch rumours there's a good bunch of 'second tier' managers, if you will, that would be interesting appointments: Hasenhuttl, Nuno, Rose, ten Hag...
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Nuno would be awful. Too defensive and functional for my liking. Had enough of that at this club. It's just not a good fit.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Rose and Naggelsmann seem to be the most highly rated young German managers. Hopefully we bag one of them next (I'm sure we won't though). They seem to play an exciting brand of football to boot.

Hassenhutti I don't believe is regarded that highly from what I understand. Isn't his reputation more from working with Klopp than on his own merit as a manager?
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Did he work with Klopp?

You should have a look at his early career, it's highly impressive and very similar to Klopp's in that he had success with Aalen & Ingolstadt (Klopp was Mainz I think) won promotions and did well in the Bundesliga with RB Leipzig. Worth noting I don't think RB Leipzig have ever finished higher than they did with Hasenhuttl. What should impress people most though is the Southampton team he has are actually pretty awful but he's made them very solid & exciting to watch. If he can implement his style on that team, it would be great to see what he could do with higher quality players.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Rose and Naggelsmann seem to be the most highly rated young German managers. Hopefully we bag one of them next (I'm sure we won't though). They seem to play an exciting brand of football to boot.

Hassenhutti I don't believe is regarded that highly from what I understand. Isn't his reputation more from working with Klopp than on his own merit as a manager?
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Hasenhüttl is Austrian, not German ;). I've already said a year ago and still stand by my opinion that he could be on the same level of someone like Conte if he were to move to a bigger club. His teams always have had a clear identity, Southampton's collective pressing when on top of their game is absolutely top-tier compared to even us (Munich), Liverpool, City or any other present great team, and this is not a knee-jerk reaction but my opinion for a while. They suffer a lot from their rather clumsy center backs and maybe lack a keeper more comfortable with the ball. I don't think he'll be able to fix it without the money required to sign new players though. Biggest question mark will be if he has the charisma and authority when he moves to a big club, tactically he certainly isn't too far off the very best out there IMO.
 
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I like his style and he seems like a good bloke, too. Wouldn't mind some of the energy his team plays with but not sure it would work with our squad.

In the 2-2 game a few months back, they pressed the hell out of us for the first 15-20 mins and we struggled big time, but as soon as they slacked off just a tiny bit we cut through them in midfield with ease and got 2 quick goals. It seems his tactics only pay off when the teams intensity is on it 100% of the time (which sometimes it is), and does that sound like it would work well with our group?

Our biggest weakness over the last 6-7 years has been a lack of intensity, IMO. He'd have his work cut out trying to implement his strategy here.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Did he work with Klopp?
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No, he hasn't. He has worked with Rangnick who some in Germany would claim to be the true "birthfather" that reintroduced the high pressing style that emerged in German football though, even before Klopp did.
 
JDoe said:
No, he hasn't. He has worked with Rangnick who some in Germany would claim to be the true "birthfather" that reintroduced the high pressing style that emerged in German football though, even before Klopp did.
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Yh I thought he hadn't - I agree re your other point about his issue being current CBs and Keeper, essentially he is working with lower tier players and there's a limit to what he can get out of them. The game versus Spurs was a perfect example, I watched it and it's not an exxageration to say they were tearing Spurs apart in that first half, they should have scored more than once and even the commentators who seem very pro Mou/Spurs currently were talking about it throughout. However, with his tactics, having two CBs neither of whom is very fast and I don't think would be high on anyone's CB shortlist is risky and it's no wonder that a rapid player like Son ended up being the out ball for Spurs. What I liked though is Hasenhuttl knows that weakness is there but he is sticking to his tactics - the worst thing with coaches for me is they have some ideas but end up adapting to the team they have and it just makes it a mess, the best managers have set principles they stick without much comprimise like Klopp, Pep, Conte...even guys like Bielsa....you need that stubborn belief in your ideas and not some flippy flappy approach to tactics.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
That's the problem with so many opinions about who should take over.

It's Man Utd not the local mini mart
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Lucky for you I don't call the shots at the club so!

Hiring Ole was gross negligence so I guess maybe I would do a better job than our Board.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
That's the problem with so many opinions about who should take over.

It's Man Utd not the local mini mart
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And we did the exact same thing with Ole and Moyes. Literally, every single manager appointment is a punt these days.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Yh I thought he hadn't - I agree re your other point about his issue being current CBs and Keeper, essentially he is working with lower tier players and there's a limit to what he can get out of them. The game versus Spurs was a perfect example, I watched it and it's not an exxageration to say they were tearing Spurs apart in that first half, they should have scored more than once and even the commentators who seem very pro Mou/Spurs currently were talking about it throughout. However, with his tactics, having two CBs neither of whom is very fast and I don't think would be high on anyone's CB shortlist is risky and it's no wonder that a rapid player like Son ended up being the out ball for Spurs. What I liked though is Hasenhuttl knows that weakness is there but he is sticking to his tactics - the worst thing with coaches for me is they have some ideas but end up adapting to the team they have and it just makes it a mess, the best managers have set principles they stick without much comprimise like Klopp, Pep, Conte...even guys like Bielsa....you need that stubborn belief in your ideas and not some flippy flappy approach to tactics.
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Yeah, I agree for the most part. They play a very high line - not unlike the most dominant teams with far better players - and I even think that it might be too risky for my taste sometimes. They'll undeniably get hammered again sooner or later playing that kind of football, even Pool, City or us have one of those games in a while. I also wouldn't necessarily agree to the notion that you have to stay to your principles, I think we're the only team that still successfully play a very high line when facing a top quality team (Pep als did when working for us, but we got sliced open against Real in Madrid, or against Barca quite a lot back then). Also, Pool under Klopp tend to sit a bit deeper against top teams which has worked out most of the time for them. Not to say it's bad to always stick to your plan A, I just don't think it's better per se.

Still, when it works for Southampton - which is quite often I'd like to think - it is very impressive with that pool of players especially.
 
What I like about him is that he has a clear vision of how his football should be. Succesful or not, it is really enjoyable to watch as well. That being said, making a team play a system like that takes time. Bayern didnt became a pressing machine over night, ( Heynckes combined possession with pressing, then Pep came , Ancelotti and Kovac went a bit away from it, Flick turned it to a machine again ) so did Klopp need 2 seasons to transition Dortmund into a top team.

I think we missed the opportunity for a clear strategy in recent years with appointing lots of different coaches philosophywise.. Would Hassenhüttl have the time to develop and implement his idea here ?
 
JDoe said:
Yeah, I agree for the most part. They play a very high line - not unlike the most dominant teams with far better players - and I even think that it might be too risky for my taste sometimes. They'll undeniably get hammered again sooner or later playing that kind of football, even Pool, City or us have one of those games in a while. I also wouldn't necessarily agree to the notion that you have to stay to your principles, I think we're the only team that still successfully play a very high line when facing a top quality team (Pep als did when working for us, but we got sliced open against Real in Madrid, or against Barca quite a lot back then). Also, Pool under Klopp tend to sit a bit deeper against top teams which has worked out most of the time for them. Not to say it's bad to always stick to your plan A, I just don't think it's better per se.

Still, when it works for Southampton - which is quite often I'd like to think - it is very impressive with that pool of players especially.
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Southampton board is okay with it. They want to play attractive football and a respectful finish. So they wouldn't care if they lost to top teams once in a while. The sheer difference in the style between Hughes and this guy is pretty evident.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
That's the problem with so many opinions about who should take over.

It's Man Utd not the local mini mart
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I mean, we have Ole in charge.

You're right that it takes someone capable of taking a huge amount of responsibility on. But at the same time, we need to keep looking for someone who is tactically advanced as we are backward in this regards and never modernised following SAFs retirement. And it's hard to find a manager who can take you forward with the times, and also has a trophy cabinet worthy of the club. So you tend to have to make concessions. The point is to try and get someone with genuine potential (on the cusp of greatness) if you can't bag the ready made manager, and that always comes with risk. We, on the other hand, go for old school finished managers or ones that dont have enough quality.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
So many experts on here :lol:
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Hopefully the 'experts' at the club make a much better managerial appointment than the last one, when the time comes.

Unfortunately, I have little faith that they will mate. So I'll just remain ambivalent towards Ole. I mean, at least it's more fun than when Jose was here and he has done some positive work.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Yh I thought he hadn't - I agree re your other point about his issue being current CBs and Keeper, essentially he is working with lower tier players and there's a limit to what he can get out of them. The game versus Spurs was a perfect example, I watched it and it's not an exxageration to say they were tearing Spurs apart in that first half, they should have scored more than once and even the commentators who seem very pro Mou/Spurs currently were talking about it throughout. However, with his tactics, having two CBs neither of whom is very fast and I don't think would be high on anyone's CB shortlist is risky and it's no wonder that a rapid player like Son ended up being the out ball for Spurs. What I liked though is Hasenhuttl knows that weakness is there but he is sticking to his tactics - the worst thing with coaches for me is they have some ideas but end up adapting to the team they have and it just makes it a mess, the best managers have set principles they stick without much comprimise like Klopp, Pep, Conte...even guys like Bielsa....you need that stubborn belief in your ideas and not some flippy flappy approach to tactics.
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Hopefully this maybe sorted a little with the signing of Mohammed Salisu.

amolbhatia50k said:
I mean, we have Ole in charge.

You're right that it takes someone capable of taking a huge amount of responsibility on. But at the same time, we need to keep looking for someone who is tactically advanced as we are backward in this regards and never modernised following SAFs retirement. And it's hard to find a manager who can take you forward with the times, and also has a trophy cabinet worthy of the club. So you tend to have to make concessions. The point is to try and get someone with genuine potential (on the cusp of greatness) if you can't bag the ready made manager, and that always comes with risk. We, on the other hand, go for old school finished managers or ones that dont have enough quality.
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Like you did with Fergie!
 
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bond19821982 said:
Southampton board is okay with it. They want to play attractive football and a respectful finish. So they wouldn't care if they lost to top teams once in a while. The sheer difference in the style between Hughes and this guy is pretty evident.
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No doubt, they'd have to either get into a long lasting losing streak, or the board to be unbelievably stupid to fire him - which I don't think they are given how they backed him after that Leicester game. The improvements made in tactics have been huge and I've heard he's quite adored by their fans as well.
 
He publicly stated right before taking the Southampton job that he was taking it so he can prove what he can do to a larger audience (the prem) and get a bigger job. I remember distinctly because I like him back then and thought he could possibly take over us as we had boring Mourinho at the time.
 
JDoe said:
Yeah, I agree for the most part. They play a very high line - not unlike the most dominant teams with far better players - and I even think that it might be too risky for my taste sometimes. They'll undeniably get hammered again sooner or later playing that kind of football, even Pool, City or us have one of those games in a while. I also wouldn't necessarily agree to the notion that you have to stay to your principles, I think we're the only team that still successfully play a very high line when facing a top quality team (Pep als did when working for us, but we got sliced open against Real in Madrid, or against Barca quite a lot back then). Also, Pool under Klopp tend to sit a bit deeper against top teams which has worked out most of the time for them. Not to say it's bad to always stick to your plan A, I just don't think it's better per se.

Still, when it works for Southampton - which is quite often I'd like to think - it is very impressive with that pool of players especially.
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Obviously there are nuances when you play different teams but I'd say as a rule Southampton under him play a high line un their 4222. My point isn't if Liverpool sit a few metres deeper against better teams or if you can compare the back line of Bayern to City's it's that I personally feel the most successful coaches of recent times have a set tactical setup they favour and when they generally stick to it, they are successful: Ranieri, Conte, Klopp, Pep being recent PL examples with very different styles.

The fact Hasenhuttl is trying to play attacking, front foot football with the average squad he has is admirable but it's also impressive because other teams have tried and failed with that type of 'gung-ho stick to my principles no matter what' strategy - Norwich under Farke for example - whereas it is definitely working for Soton so far. Could he do it with a big European club, who knows but I think his career has been impressive and it's nice to see more people now start to give him some recognition whereas before we were in the minority.
 
saintquin said:
Hopefully this maybe sorted a little with the signing of Mohammed Salisu.


Like you did with Fergie!
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I think he was pretty proven actually. Breaking the old firm stronghold over the Scottish League and winning a European cup with Aberdeen, was quite an incredible feat especially given it was a good league back then. The managers with high potential right now don't have that sort of achievement but you still have to take a chance and move forwards rather than signing stale managers with a strong CV.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Hopefully the 'experts' at the club make a much better managerial appointment than the last one, when the time comes.

Unfortunately, I have little faith that they will mate. So I'll just remain ambivalent towards Ole. I mean, at least it's more fun than when Jose was here and he has done some positive work.
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So true
 
bond19821982 said:
I am ok with one of Rose or Hassenhuttl. Naggelsmann is still an unknown quantity for me (now watch him destroy us on wed )

Yeah, there are some good options out there. Knowing Woodward we will certainly end up with Poch. Not saying it would be a bad option but I dont rate Poch above those guys.
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Salivating for another manager change are we?
 
Robbie Boy said:
Hopefully the 'experts' at the club make a much better managerial appointment than the last one, when the time comes.

Unfortunately, I have little faith that they will mate. So I'll just remain ambivalent towards Ole. I mean, at least it's more fun than when Jose was here and he has done some positive work.
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Alright I will bite. Explain to me your ambivalence. Im keen to get into the thought process of people who are impatient and want instant gratification.
 
Ramshock said:
Alright I will bite. Explain to me your ambivalence. Im keen to get into the thought process of people who are impatient and want instant gratification.
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I’m really not that impatient but I feel a bit the same. Love OGS and really love some of the work he has done since he arrived.

At the same time, our football against certain type of teams are not good. When you compare how we have developed as a team to Southampton, Leeds and a few others, I’m very little impressed.
 
Ramshock said:
Alright I will bite. Explain to me your ambivalence. Im keen to get into the thought process of people who are impatient and want instant gratification.
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Not that I decide anything on here, but I kinda would prefer if this thread remained focused on Hasenhüttl and wouldn't turn into (yet another) a discussion on dislike/ambivalence/love towards Ole...
 
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Not sure he would be a United type manager. Think he tends to want to do a project and make younger players better and only wants players who fit his way of playing rather than get the big named players around whether they fit your system or not.
Not saying your lot get it wrong all the time and every team buys the wrong players at times but, I'm not sure United would give him the time to implement his style. Having said that he's done very well here in quite a short time I suppose but, our expectations aren't quite the same as yours!
 
saintquin said:
Not sure he would be a United type manager. Think he tends to want to do a project and make younger players better and only wants players who fit his way of playing rather than get the big named players around whether they fit your system or not.
Not saying your lot get it wrong all the time and every team buys the wrong players at times but, I'm not sure United would give him the time to implement his style. Having said that he's done very well here in quite a short time I suppose but, our expectations aren't quite the same as yours!
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He would have the squad at United to implement fast transitions/high tempo IMO. We also have the forwards to initiate the press and the midfield to close the vacated space.

I believe he would need to add a DM and CB with the required attributes to bring it together.
 
Did you know he once lost a home match 9-0.......

Southampton looking to me very close to the level they were under Poch and Koeman. Might not finish quite as high in the league but they're pretty good. Still have the odd brainfart like v Spurs second half when they parked their defence continually on the halfway line and Spurs just ran through them time and again but from what I've seen in the other games I'd be amazed if they finish bottom half.

Outside shots for a europa place if it goes down to 7th.
 
Robbie Boy said:
He's doing a fantastic job with a pretty limited squad.
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I'm not sure how he's getting so much out of that squad which looks like a squad that I'd tip for relegation.

Fair play to him for trying and thus far succeeding in imposing his style of play on a limited squad.
 
Adnan said:
I'm not sure how he's getting so much out of that squad which looks like a squad that I'd tip for relegation.

Fair play to him for trying and thus far succeeding in imposing his style of play on a limited squad.
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Aye. It's a squad you would look at on paper and tip for a possible relegation fight. Villa, on paper today had a better starting eleven. I would love to see what he could do at a bigger club with more resources.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Aye. It's a squad you would look at on paper and tip for a possible relegation fight. Villa, on paper today had a better starting eleven. I would love to see what he could do at a bigger club with more resources.
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I'm with you mate. Would like to see him given a opportunity at a bigger club.
 
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