Ralph Hasenhüttl

He's done terrific work at Southampton since coming there. Well done and would be interesting to see him managing another, bigger PL team.
 
He and Potter are 2 coaches that would be good to see get bigger PL roles.
 
I'd think it's clear to say that this guy wont coach us. Not with Rangnick as a sporting director. Rangnick once said that he fired Hassenhuttl because he thought he couldn't improve Leipzig more and they wanted Nagelsmann instead, but Nagelsmann couldn't join so Rangnick sacked Hassenhuttl, took over the coaching for one season, led the club to a 3rd place and then hired Nagelsmann.
 
DavidDeSchmikes said:
Allegedly once his contract with Southampton expires in 2024.
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Surprised at that, he's not that old is he. Sure he was only early 40s when he managed Leipzig. Ralph is pretty emotional with his comments so suspect he dosen't mean it as coaching is a drug for these guys once they have a few months out of the game.
 
FootballHQ said:
Surprised at that, he's not that old is he. Sure he was only early 40s when he managed Leipzig. Ralph is pretty emotional with his comments so suspect he dosen't mean it as coaching is a drug for these guys once they have a few months out of the game.
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Samid said:
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Pretty clever if done on purpose!

Is there anything that could be done about that? It's basically a time-out, with the added advantage that the opposing team isn't prepared and won't take advantage the same way.
 
Cheimoon said:
Pretty clever if done on purpose!

Is there anything that could be done about that? It's basically a time-out, with the added advantage that the opposing team isn't prepared and won't take advantage the same way.
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Non head injury, refs should be telling them to get treatment off the side of the pitch, while getting on with the game. The player will be waved back on. Standing and consuming rather quickly a gel or drink for a minute or two does give your body an immediate boost, especially 15 to 25 minutes after halftime.
 
Remember the geese said:
I actually remember this happening in our game against them at the weekend. I thought it was a joke how the referee just allowed them all to waltz off to the touchline.
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Yeah but the referee adds in an extra minute after their 3-4 min break….so fair is fair?
 
brzez said:
I'd think it's clear to say that this guy wont coach us. Not with Rangnick as a sporting director. Rangnick once said that he fired Hassenhuttl because he thought he couldn't improve Leipzig more and they wanted Nagelsmann instead, but Nagelsmann couldn't join so Rangnick sacked Hassenhuttl, took over the coaching for one season, led the club to a 3rd place and then hired Nagelsmann.
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Hassehuttl actually resigned and wasn't prepared to be a place holder for Nagelsmann, hence Rangnick filling in as head coach for the 2018/19 season.
 
Yes, Hasenhüttl was not happy with the offer.
 
FootballHQ said:
Surprised at that, he's not that old is he. Sure he was only early 40s when he managed Leipzig. Ralph is pretty emotional with his comments so suspect he dosen't mean it as coaching is a drug for these guys once they have a few months out of the game.
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No, Hasenhüttl was almost 50 when he was hired by Leipzig. Unlike the coaching prodigies like Nagelsmann or Tuchel whose careers were ended by injuries early, Hasenhüttl had a full playing career (not on a particularly high level) and then worked his way upwards from youth teams to lower league clubs to promotion into Bundesliga with Ingolstadt, which was the work that got him the Leipzig job. His Ingolstadt were a piece of work, I remember Kimmich had his starting debut in midfield against them under Pep.
 
Upto 10th place now (granted they played 3 matches more than the next placed team).

Potter is often recommended here to take over as our manager but this guy isn't being mentioned at all. Probably because of the two 9-0, dubbings but I don't think people realize how good he is.

Just compared Potter stats with this guy.

Potter:

1.22 points per game (113 matches )
1.15 goals scored average per game.
33 wins and 41 loses.

Hassenhuttl:

1.34 points per game (143 matches)
1.48 goals scored average per game.
53 wins, 57 loses.

(Not taking any other clubs other than Southampton. He had a better record with RBL)

Potter is actually a worse manager than this guy. He deserves a chance with a big club and I really hope that's us if we can't get ETH.
 
bond19821982 said:
Upto 10th place now (granted they played 3 matches more than the next placed team).

Potter is often recommended here to take over as our manager but this guy isn't being mentioned at all. Probably because of the two 9-0, dubbings but I don't think people realize how good he is.

Just compared Potter stats with this guy.

Potter:

1.22 points per game (113 matches )
1.15 goals scored average per game.
33 wins and 41 loses.

Hassenhuttl:

1.34 points per game (143 matches)
1.48 goals scored average per game.
53 wins, 57 loses.

(Not taking any other clubs other than Southampton. He had a better record with RBL)

Potter is actually a worse manager than this guy. He deserves a chance with a big club and I really hope that's us if we can't get ETH.
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Hassenhuttl has 1,34 ppm with Soton. Puel had 1.38. Koeman 1,64. Pochettino 1,45.

Hugthon had 1,18 and 1,09 PPM in his two seasons in the PL. Context, and where the clubs came from, is important.
 
andersj said:
Hassenhuttl has 1,34 ppm with Soton. Puel had 1.38. Koeman 1,64. Pochettino 1,45.

Hugthon had 1,18 and 1,09 PPM in his two seasons in the PL. Context, and where the clubs came from, is important.
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I agree that it's impossible to compare the ppg for different clubs with very different structures and context and try to make a definitive judgment on who is doing a better job. Likewise, it's also tricky making those ppg comparisons between those Southampton managerial spells as Southampton have probably spent less under RH than under the others. I still remember how they were trying to offload players in January '21 while the squad was already super thin, because the owners were trying to asset strip the club as much as possible. RH has been working in diabolical conditions there at Southampton at a time when plenty of mid table clubs are spending decent money (which wasn't the case during the previous managerial reigns there).

Both Potter and Hasenhuttl are doing a great job. Whether that can translate at a club with a toxic player power culture and non-stop media interest, is an open question.
 
andersj said:
Hassenhuttl has 1,34 ppm with Soton. Puel had 1.38. Koeman 1,64. Pochettino 1,45.

Hugthon had 1,18 and 1,09 PPM in his two seasons in the PL. Context, and where the clubs came from, is important.
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Context is important when it comes to what Southampton they were managing too. Hassenhuttl has been forced to sell his best players and bring through youth and is on an upward trajectory.

The others had better, more established players at their disposal.
 
Still something about him that I don't rate. Might be those 9-0 results, might be something else. I think he's fine at a club like Southampton but don't know if he has the mettle to take on a United job.
 
Cheimoon said:
Pretty clever if done on purpose!

Is there anything that could be done about that? It's basically a time-out, with the added advantage that the opposing team isn't prepared and won't take advantage the same way.
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There’s a middle ground between coincidence and plan. Which is not that there’s some pre-agreed idea to fake injury in that timeframe, just an agreement that in the event of an injury in the second half it’s one of the coaches jobs to bring out energy drinks. I guess that stat only makes sense as a conspiracy theory if you picked an arbitrary 10 minute timeframe, say 70-80 mins, and found that much less players were going down, or if they didn’t give energy drinks when they did go down.
 
Bastian said:
I agree that it's impossible to compare the ppg for different clubs with very different structures and context and try to make a definitive judgment on who is doing a better job. Likewise, it's also tricky making those ppg comparisons between those Southampton managerial spells as Southampton have probably spent less under RH than under the others. I still remember how they were trying to offload players in January '21 while the squad was already super thin, because the owners were trying to asset strip the club as much as possible. RH has been working in diabolical conditions there at Southampton at a time when plenty of mid table clubs are spending decent money (which wasn't the case during the previous managerial reigns there).

Both Potter and Hasenhuttl are doing a great job. Whether that can translate at a club with a toxic player power culture and non-stop media interest, is an open question.
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I get your point. But Southampton have always sold their best players. Just look at all the players who have left the past decade.

But I agree. They are not an easy club to manage. Koeman was probably the lucky one, as they got in so much money from Liverpool just before he came in (Lovren, Lallana, Lambert) and where in a great state after Pochettinos time there.

Still think it is more impressive to see where Brighton are today for a number of reasons;

A) I consider their squad less good. And even worse when Potter came in.
B) They have less resources,
C) When Potter came in they had been playing a brand of football similar to Burnley/Stoke. He managed to change them with seveal of the same players still there.

Furthermore, I consider their football «better». More sophisticated. More difficult to pull off. More about being able to dominate both on and off the ball.
 
SilentWitness said:
Still something about him that I don't rate. Might be those 9-0 results, might be something else. I think he's fine at a club like Southampton but don't know if he has the mettle to take on a United job.
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I disagree, I think he’s a great manager and would succeed at a big club.

Think Utd would do really well to get him.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
I disagree, I think he’s a great manager and would succeed at a big club.

Think Utd would do really well to get him.
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The job would be too big for him. He wants to retire in 2024. that is not the mindset of someone for us. He would get eaten alive mentally here. If he thinks Saints and PL is draining, the United job would be too big for him
 
andersj said:
I get your point. But Southampton have always sold their best players. Just look at all the players who have left the past decade.

But I agree. They are not an easy club to manage. Koeman was probably the lucky one, as they got in so much money from Liverpool just before he came in (Lovren, Lallana, Lambert) and where in a great state after Pochettinos time there.

Still think it is more impressive to see where Brighton are today for a number of reasons;

A) I consider their squad less good. And even worse when Potter came in.
B) They have less resources,
C) When Potter came in they had been playing a brand of football similar to Burnley/Stoke. He managed to change them with seveal of the same players still there.

Furthermore, I consider their football «better». More sophisticated. More difficult to pull off. More about being able to dominate both on and off the ball.
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My subjective take is also that Potter is doing a better job, or looks the more interesting option. But I'm not entirely sure that he's had a more difficult job. I think they've both been very impressive working with quite significant limitations. What I like about Potter, outside of getting a team to play like a team - and very attractive football at that - is how composed he comes across. It will be interesting to see how he does at his next club, especially if the structure there isn't as aligned as it is at Brighton.
 
Is he really that good?

Strikes me as a bit of an idealogue. Some of the absolute tankings Southampton have taken weren't very savvy. But then at times it appears they play above the level of a team of those resources, so I guess they accept the rough with the smooth.

It does make it very hard to predict whether he's a top manager just waiting for better players or whether he'd completely fall apart at the next level of expectation.
 
andersj said:
Hassenhuttl has 1,34 ppm with Soton. Puel had 1.38. Koeman 1,64. Pochettino 1,45.

Hugthon had 1,18 and 1,09 PPM in his two seasons in the PL. Context, and where the clubs came from, is important.
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Entirely different conditions. All of the Southampton managers had more to spend while this guy has had absolutely nothing.

Also the samples of others are quite small. 53 matches for Puel , 93 for Koeman and 60 matches for Poch.
 
bond19821982 said:
Entirely different conditions. All of the Southampton managers had more to spend while this guy has had absolutely nothing.

Also the samples of others are quite small. 53 matches for Puel , 93 for Koeman and 60 matches for Poch.
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They have spent more in the past due to selling players for more. There is nothing fundamental that has changed at Soton allowing them to now spend less.

My point is that Southampton overall is pretty much where they were, on average, in the period from 2012 to 2018. A few did worse. A few did a lot better. As a club, Southampton were midtable for more than half a decade prior to Hassenhuttl. They still are.
 
andersj said:
They have spent more in the past due to selling players for more. There is nothing fundamental that has changed at Soton allowing them to now spend less.

My point is that Southampton overall is pretty much where they were, on average, in the period from 2012 to 2018. A few did worse. A few did a lot better. As a club, Southampton were midtable for more than half a decade prior to Hassenhuttl. They still are.
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What ? Nothing changed fundamentally? The owners has become less ambitious and has not been spending as they used to.

21/22 - net spend of -15m (spent 43m)
20/21 - net spend of -87m (spent 37m)
19/20 - net spend of -40m (spent 60m)
18/19 - net spend of +13m (spent 62m)
17/18 - net spend of +31m (spent 61m)
16/17 - net spend of +13m (spent 68m)
15/16 - net spend of -9m (spent 60m)
14/15 - net spend of +16m (spent 96m)

Look at the numbers. The business model has changed completely in the last 8 years. If you compare the points and finishes

20/21 - 43 points (15th , 46 goals scored)
19/20 - 52 points (11th , 51 goals scored)
18/19 - 39 points (16th, 45 goals scored)
17/18 - 36 points (17th, 37 goals scored)
16/17 - 46 points (8th, 41 goals scored)
15/16 - 63 points (6th, 59 goals scored)
14/15 - 60 points (7th, 54 goals scored )

The spending has gone up in epl but Southampton has reduced their spending.

Hassenhuttl is doing a much better job than Poch or Koeman or Puel. It's not even up for a debate.
 
I rate him, you can see the quality of a manager when his team full of bang average players impose themselves on most teams and play such an intricating brand of football. The speed, the one touch, the delicate chips the positions they take, the breaking of lines are all there to see. It’s not a slight improvement, it’s a massive one and it says alot about the thought process and philosophy of a manager who constantly makes the opposition teams who have better players and managers look stupid. Same as Graham Potter. Not saying they are without faults or would be perfect for any big club but I rate both of them highly the way they play football with turds.
 
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