Regarding the DOF role, who has the better record and achievement between these two in Europe til now?
And I’m talking about acclaims in the DOF role. So won’t count Rangnick’s managerial stint at 04, us or the Austrian national team.
That’s Old Man Mitchell’s kid!I'm not surprised that this thread is taking time to take off in terms of responses. Plus I don't know who Paul Mitchell is.
That’s Old Man Mitchell’s kid!
Paul Mitchell has only been DoF once, at Monaco. Before that he was Head of Recruitment at MK Dons, Southampton, Spurs and RB Leipzig. At the latter he worked under Rangnick, who was the DoF at both Leipzig and also Red Bull Salzburg.Regarding the DOF role, who has the better record and achievement between these two in Europe til now?
And I’m talking about acclaims in the DOF role. So won’t count Rangnick’s managerial stint at 04, us or the Austrian national team.
I think that would be ideal, Mitchell wasn't exactly a big success at Monaco and Rangnick is a total package because he is also big on things like sports science, he can craft a tactical vision on which recruitment is based and he has been here before so he has the inside track on the mentality of a lot of players here.Paul Mitchell has only been DoF once, at Monaco. Before that he was Head of Recruitment at MK Dons, Southampton, Spurs and RB Leipzig. At the latter he worked under Rangnick, who was the DoF at both Leipzig and also Red Bull Salzburg.
Rangnick was the main man in building the Red Bull football system, being the DoF at both Leipzig as they went from the German 4th division up to one of the stronger teams in the Bundesliga, and Salzburg as they began their domination of the Austrian league. In saying that, both teams had a significant financial advantage over all their competitors so it could definitely be said that he only did on par with expectations. It would have been a massive failure not to achieve what they did.
I'm tempted to say that I would want both here in the same way they worked together at Leipzig. Rangnick the DoF and Mitchell the Head of Recruitment. Not sure if Mitchell would go for that though since it's a step down from the role he held at Monaco, although a debate could obviously be had where the Head of Recruitment at Man Utd is in the pecking order compared to DoF at Monaco. As long as things go well it'd also give him a big advantage in taking over as DoF in the not-too-distant future since Rangnick is getting on.
Phil and Grant are better in my opinion
Paul Mitchell has only been DoF once, at Monaco. Before that he was Head of Recruitment at MK Dons, Southampton, Spurs and RB Leipzig. At the latter he worked under Rangnick, who was the DoF at both Leipzig and also Red Bull Salzburg.
Rangnick was the main man in building the Red Bull football system, being the DoF at both Leipzig as they went from the German 4th division up to one of the stronger teams in the Bundesliga, and Salzburg as they began their domination of the Austrian league. In saying that, both teams had a significant financial advantage over all their competitors so it could definitely be said that he only did on par with expectations. It would have been a massive failure not to achieve what they did.
I'm tempted to say that I would want both here in the same way they worked together at Leipzig. Rangnick the DoF and Mitchell the Head of Recruitment. Not sure if Mitchell would go for that though since it's a step down from the role he held at Monaco, although a debate could obviously be had where the Head of Recruitment at Man Utd is in the pecking order compared to DoF at Monaco. As long as things go well it'd also give him a big advantage in taking over as DoF in the not-too-distant future since Rangnick is getting on.
I doubt Rangnick would come back under the current mob, but if Ratcliffe does take control of the football side of things and basically tells Rangnick that it's a new start and it's his job to rebuild our entire football structure (basically what he did at Red Bull) then I'd be surprised if he turned it down.Rangnick I don't think would consider coming back to united but I'd love to see it along with Mitchell.
I think Mitchell will probably end up here. The thing that excites me about this appointment is his knowledge of French football. He should have a big database of all the top young talent and the French league has consistently been a hot bed for top talents coming to England.
It's kinda of a grey area for me so hard to have a preference, but it's obvious that Rangnick isn't in the picture at the moment.
I did find below interview for Mitchell. Sounds alright.
It's kinda of a grey area for me so hard to have a preference, but it's obvious that Rangnick isn't in the picture at the moment.
I did find below interview for Mitchell. Sounds alright.
100000%Still can't believe we let Ragnick go, I'm certain we would right now have a better squad had he had a say in where the 400m went.
And yet here we are, the team still needs a change and we're still losing loads of games, maybe we should have kept him, 5 of the 6 players he told us to sign are now all playing top class top level footballim sick of hearing about Rangnick. turning up, losing a load of games and concluding the team needs change was hardly a sign of genius
im sick of hearing about Rangnick. turning up, losing a load of games and concluding the team needs change was hardly a sign of genius
And yet here we are, the team still needs a change and we're still losing loads of games, maybe we should have kept him, 5 of the 6 players he told us to sign are now all playing top class top level football
We have players from lvg, Jose, ole and now Erik who don't work.
We've shifted pastor Fred, meanwhile he'd have been great midweek.
Dan Ashworth is the best around imo. Good luck signing him thoughIf we were to appoint either, or both, people would still complain. If they were appointed even by Ratcliffe or Jassim, people would complain.
Can anyone name an alternative?
How we get on 12 months after his world breaking analysis gotten from any random poster on Redcafe.
im sick of hearing about Rangnick. turning up, losing a load of games and concluding the team needs change was hardly a sign of genius
I totally agree with you there @MadDogg . Even in jobs that deal with huge sums of money (I was a bond trader in a previous life), people can't just commit their employer to buying assets literally worth hundreds of millions of pounds without a strong process and transparency. I think it's just too great a responsibility to have that in the role profile of the head coach/manager. And this season's performance and the questionable recruitment of players has highlighted exactly why we need a separation and a credible DOF system.Paul Mitchell has only been DoF once, at Monaco. Before that he was Head of Recruitment at MK Dons, Southampton, Spurs and RB Leipzig. At the latter he worked under Rangnick, who was the DoF at both Leipzig and also Red Bull Salzburg.
Rangnick was the main man in building the Red Bull football system, being the DoF at both Leipzig as they went from the German 4th division up to one of the stronger teams in the Bundesliga, and Salzburg as they began their domination of the Austrian league. In saying that, both teams had a significant financial advantage over all their competitors so it could definitely be said that he only did on par with expectations. It would have been a massive failure not to achieve what they did.
I'm tempted to say that I would want both here in the same way they worked together at Leipzig. Rangnick the DoF and Mitchell the Head of Recruitment. Not sure if Mitchell would go for that though since it's a step down from the role he held at Monaco, although a debate could obviously be had where the Head of Recruitment at Man Utd is in the pecking order compared to DoF at Monaco. As long as things go well it'd also give him a big advantage in taking over as DoF in the not-too-distant future since Rangnick is getting on.
There is a significant difference from someone saying those things with his pedigree in the game, his level of respect from top level managers and DoFs, and someone who had spent six months with all full access to all aspects of the club...
... to someone on the caf.
Paul Mitchell has only been DoF once, at Monaco. Before that he was Head of Recruitment at MK Dons, Southampton, Spurs and RB Leipzig. At the latter he worked under Rangnick, who was the DoF at both Leipzig and also Red Bull Salzburg.
Rangnick was the main man in building the Red Bull football system, being the DoF at both Leipzig as they went from the German 4th division up to one of the stronger teams in the Bundesliga, and Salzburg as they began their domination of the Austrian league. In saying that, both teams had a significant financial advantage over all their competitors so it could definitely be said that he only did on par with expectations. It would have been a massive failure not to achieve what they did.
I'm tempted to say that I would want both here in the same way they worked together at Leipzig. Rangnick the DoF and Mitchell the Head of Recruitment. Not sure if Mitchell would go for that though since it's a step down from the role he held at Monaco, although a debate could obviously be had where the Head of Recruitment at Man Utd is in the pecking order compared to DoF at Monaco. As long as things go well it'd also give him a big advantage in taking over as DoF in the not-too-distant future since Rangnick is getting on.
I think we should just put them into a two round contest:
1. WWE style smack talking
2. UFC style fight
Random caf member would probably have managed better results than Ralf. Absolutely atrocious reign as caretaker manger.There is a significant difference from someone saying those things with his pedigree in the game, his level of respect from top level managers and DoFs, and someone who had spent six months with all full access to all aspects of the club...
... to someone on the caf.
im sick of hearing about Rangnick. turning up, losing a load of games and concluding the team needs change was hardly a sign of genius
