Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

[P-Nut]

To be fair to him, not that he deserves it, Rangnick hasn't got a very impressive CV as a coach - he has an impressive CV as a director of football and football academic. He seems more like an appointment meant to increase the football knowledge at the club and to start that process on the training ground. Someone - probably Murtough - has realised that the only man who has a genuine chance at changing the culture at the club is the manager, and with that in mind has brought Rangnick in to start that process on the training ground and then carry it on into management in a consultancy role. It's a high risk/high reward appointment made possible by the fact that PSG didn't agree to sell us Pochettino.

They aren't wrong when they say he doesn't have an impressive CV, because he doesn't. He's won like 4 trophies in his career and has never managed a top club.



I don't think it's a massive secret that for many, many years players who come here generally perform worse than they did at their previous clubs. Hopefully this changes soon, because it is infuriating to watch player after player come in the door and just be worse than they were when we signed them...


He'll have to adapt - and I think he'll want to.

I think that at former clubs money was a limiting factor that had to be worked around - hence why there's a lot of "hidden gems" that came through. It's probably more down to necessity than anything else. Given a larger budget it would make sense to both sign hidden gems with the potential to become world beaters and the more high reputation players available (Sancho, Haaland, Bellingham (At this point we might as well just buy Dortmund). There's also an element of media handling that comes with being a Man Utd player, which established players tend to have experience with and that can overwhelm players with less experience. You need to strike a good balance and give prospects a chance to learn what it's like before throwing them into the deep-end.

RB Leipzig's most expensive player ever is Naby Keita for €29.7M, ours us Paul Pogba at €105M, and we regularly sign players for €20M that might one day have the potential to play for the first team. I would imagine that anyone who takes a serious look at the club's transfer potential would conclude that while spending €30M would be considered a significant investment at RB Leipzig with all the expectations that come with it, at Man Utd that's about average for a squad-player these days. This of course opens up for the possibility of signing high potential players without much fanfare or media attention and allowing them to grow into top players (Mejbri €5M+, Adama Diallo €15M+) while signing top reputation players to carry the "burden" we heap onto the players (Pogba €105M, Bruno €63M, Maguire €87M, Sancho €85M). I think this is a dream scenario for any footballing executive/co-director of football/transfer policy director w/e Rangnick will become. Given our transfer capabilities we should be doing a hell of a lot better than we currently are, and have a much deeper talent pool at the club than we currently see.

The players getting worse thing is infuriating and with a lot of them being bought from the PL can only be put down to poor structure at the club.

With regards to working around money, there is an interesting segment of his coaching career when he brought Hoffenheim up from the 3rd tier of German football to the Bundesliga. He was basically bankrolled then, but still refused to spend large sums on single players, instead, at least initially, he picked up a lot of players each window with a very fast turnover of players. Granted this could be put down to moving up the leagues and I haven't done enough research to see if he carried on this turnover once he hit the bundesliga.

He was singing like 12 players every summer and selling 13 for the first 2 seasons of that run at least. Obviously something he won't be able to do here, however it does give me hope that he'll be suggesting we ship out rather quickly those that don't fit the managers vision rather than hoping they come good.

 

[MrBrightside1989]

I wonder how fans rate Lindelof these days? From my un-expert eyes he has been very good of late.

He's been our best centre back this season. Would like to see him alongside Varane.

 

[Laurencio]

The players getting worse thing is infuriating and with a lot of them being bought from the PL can only be put down to poor structure at the club.

With regards to working around money, there is an interesting segment of his coaching career when he brought Hoffenheim up from the 3rd tier of German football to the Bundesliga. He was basically bankrolled then, but still refused to spend large sums on single players, instead, at least initially, he picked up a lot of players each window with a very fast turnover of players. Granted this could be put down to moving up the leagues and I haven't done enough research to see if he carried on this turnover once he hit the bundesliga.

He was singing like 12 players every summer and selling 13 for the first 2 seasons of that run at least. Obviously something he won't be able to do here, however it does give me hope that he'll be suggesting we ship out rather quickly those that don't fit the managers vision rather than hoping they come good.

Yep, there's something rotten at the court of Ed Woodward...

With all due respect to Hoffenheim and their owner, we are the second highest revenue club in the world and our owners make millions on the stock market whenever we sign a high profile player, our club value (on the stock market) soared by £200M the first hour after we signed Cristiano Ronaldo. The money involved in transfers at this club is astronomical, and it's an element Rangnick will have to work with if he's going to be successful.

Given that his transfer policy seems to be "Make sure 50% of your signings are successful and ship players who don't perform out quickly" that seems like a sound assumption. The turnover of players should be quite extensive over the coming years if the past is anything to go by.

 

[Judas]

Am I really seeing hopeful poetry on here now? We really are becoming RAWK

 

[Dan_F]

I wonder how fans rate Lindelof these days? From my un-expert eyes he has been very good of late.

Miss the first half of the Chelsea game?

 

[Judas]

Miss the first half of the Chelsea game?

Think loads of people did, the bizarre praise of him after the game was quite something.

 

[Who's Kissing Cameras?]

Miss the first half of the Chelsea game?

He was diabolical in that half. Bag of nerves.

 

[BlueHaze]

The Hipsters choice along with Eric Ten Haag managing the biggest and richest club in Holland. Own ya shite if it all goes wrong as you love a manager talking about tactics and buzzwords like Gegenpressing and The Professor. Must've influenced Woodward at wanting some of that.

no way a club like Manchester United can sign hidden gems for a good price like his previous sides have. As soon as Manchester United are interested add another 0 on the end.

Wreck it Ralph is about to feel the heat at managing one of the biggest clubs in the World that has massive expectations and standards. He won't stay the Hipsters Choice for long now he's mainstream.

Is that a buzzword?

 

[MUFromLTU]

And yet we played better the last two games than we have done all season, maybe it was Ole giving the instructions and the coaches just followed what they were told?

Major disrespect to Phelan too, an assistant manager who has won multiple trophies at Man Utd, as the assistant manager.

What kind of games were you watching? Midweek we were dominated by a side same Ole beat, until their keeper gave a ball away. de Gea was magical. Versus Chelsea we also created nothing apart Jorginho/keepers brainfarts and de Gea was god again. 24-2 shots.


And these were the best games of our season? Not beating Tottenham away 3-0 with them having 0 shots on target? 5-1 vs Leeds, 4-0 vs Everton?

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Could he not have come over anyway and still wait for clearance on the visa?

He did come over and then I assume went back home to sort out his affairs before the big move.

He is prevented from working for us until his visa clears anyway. Basically a tourist until it does.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

And yet we played better the last two games than we have done all season, maybe it was Ole giving the instructions and the coaches just followed what they were told?

Major disrespect to Phelan too, an assistant manager who has won multiple trophies at Man Utd, as the assistant manager.

We played better

Didn't take you long to now blindly support the incompetent coaching staff. Well done.

 

[Rockets Redglare]

I’m keeping an open mind when it comes to Rangnick.

I’m chuffed to bits with the appointment but I also know that it’ll take time to implement the tactics he’ll want to use, especially when we’ve played such a different game for so long.

I think it’s difficult to gauge how successful he’ll be due to the size of the job and the lack of work in English football, but I also quite like the fact he’s not just one of the usual names thrown around. It does genuinely feel like the board have made a smart decision for a change.

 

[justsomebloke]

And yet we played better the last two games than we have done all season, maybe it was Ole giving the instructions and the coaches just followed what they were told?

Major disrespect to Phelan too, an assistant manager who has won multiple trophies at Man Utd, as the assistant manager.

Sorry, but do you really think we played well in the last two games? Granted, it's a step up from the abyss we were in immediately prior to that, but if we played like that for any length of time going forward, it would be cause for grave concern. This is the kind of game plan that bottom feeders follow, and we've not had any kind of offensive game. It's fine for an interim interim who's got to stabilise things, but these were really not good performances.

 

[Adam-Utd]

He throws a lot of shit on the wall. Just because one sticks doesnt mean hes credible. Look at his twitter history. I am still laughing at the relentless Kane to United links last summer.

Things change a lot in football and you're only as good as the information you're told.

CLEARLY he got told this information directly from a source close to the boardroom level. Nobody else got wind of this meeting that decided Ole's fate.

Do you really think he just guessed the perfect time and exactly what the meeting was for? don't be daft.

I'm not a fan of Castles by any means but you'd have to be a bit naive to think he just got lucky.

 

[Judas]

I just continue to be baffled by the over the top analysis and moaning over our performances with a caretaker, a novice caretaker manager at that, in charge. It's a few games to stop the slide, he's done that, kept the seat warm for the actual interim.

 

[Real Name]

I just continue to be baffled by the over the top analysis and moaning over our performances with a caretaker, a novice caretaker manager at that, in charge. It's a few games to stop the slide, he's done that, kept the seat warm for the actual interim.

Yeah its a strange one, what do people expect really? We're in a turmoil, changing managers and Carrick has done well in 2 games. No need to make a big deal out of it really.

 

[TheReligion]

I just continue to be baffled by the over the top analysis and moaning over our performances with a caretaker, a novice caretaker manager at that, in charge. It's a few games to stop the slide, he's done that, kept the seat warm for the actual interim.

The issue you have here is with some of these posters there's actually more football knowledge within a plastic subutteo player than in what they have in their brains.

 

[UnitedSofa]

Sorry, but do you really think we played well in the last two games? Granted, it's a step up from the abyss we were in immediately prior to that, but if we played like that for any length of time going forward, it would be cause for grave concern. This is the kind of game plan that bottom feeders follow, and we've not had any kind of offensive game. It's fine for an interim interim who's got to stabilise things, but these were really not good performances.

100%

I believe it was better than what we have been playing. Of course it's not something for the long term but it's much better than we have been playing, arguably all season. Just something solid, rather than going into it thinking how much are we going to lose by.

 

[hellhunter]

Aren't there enough threads to bitch and moan about a performance that got us a point away to league leaders Chelsea while in diabolical form with a guy at the helm who's never managed before?

 

[VP89]

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[Offside]

I wouldn’t be so happy about this as our permanent manager but as an interim I am. I think we will immediately look more like a proper team and the results will improve, and with many winnable fixtures over the next 2 months I expect the picture to look a lot lot better come Jan/Feb.

 

[2cents]

Le Saux seems to be one of the few British pundits who has actually done his homework:

 

[stoinz]

I super excited with this. I don't think things will improve drastically in the short term, it may even get worst as players try to adapt. But the more I read up on Rangnick, the more confident I am with our long term prospects, in terms of recruitment and play style. If he does his work right in the back room, the risk of getting a wrong managerial appointment is hugely mitigated.

 

[VP89]

Things change a lot in football and you're only as good as the information you're told.

CLEARLY he got told this information directly from a source close to the boardroom level. Nobody else got wind of this meeting that decided Ole's fate.

Do you really think he just guessed the perfect time and exactly what the meeting was for? don't be daft.

Do you really think because he got 1 out of 10 things right, he must have got information directly from the board? Don't be daft.
As I said, if you throw enough shit against the wall, something will stick. He's gotten far too much wrong to be regarded as a high credible tier. That much is obvious.

I'm not a fan of Castles by any means but you'd have to be a bit naive to think he just got lucky.

It's not naivety. I also questioning whether he was actually the very first source to talk of an emergency meeting. Even if he was, maybe he had a good source - but the fact that he has spouted a lot of shit means he's generally not credible. This item doesn't change that.

 

[Bestietom]

He can introduce the gegenpress yes, but what's he going to do about some of our players who can't pass the bloody ball 5 yards without it going astray.
Players holding on to the ball and trying to beat players when they can't dribble.
The gegenpress takes time to perfect, and God himself couldn't do it in 6 months, and it's even harder when you don't have the players capable to play it.
Hope to see more young players coming through, as this is where he will have a better chance of them learning quicker.

 

[manichester]

Hopefully he will introduce his system from the youth team upwards, big job if he does not have many of his own people around him.

 

[Blood Mage]

He can introduce the gegenpress yes, but what's he going to do about some of our players who can't pass the bloody ball 5 yards without it going astray.
Players holding on to the ball and trying to beat players when they can't dribble.
The gegenpress takes time to perfect, and God himself couldn't do it in 6 months, and it's even harder when you don't have the players capable to play it.
Hope to see more young players coming through, as this is where he will have a better chance of them learning quicker.

Turning Scott McTominay and Aaron Wan Bissaka into competent footballers will be the most difficult task of Rangnick's career for sure. More likely he'll just decide they have no business being here and advise Murtough to sell them though.

 

[reelworld]

I’m keeping an open mind when it comes to Rangnick.

I’m chuffed to bits with the appointment but I also know that it’ll take time to implement the tactics he’ll want to use, especially when we’ve played such a different game for so long.

I think it’s difficult to gauge how successful he’ll be due to the size of the job and the lack of work in English football, but I also quite like the fact he’s not just one of the usual names thrown around. It does genuinely feel like the board have made a smart decision for a change.

I think we could see change in our play within 2-3 weeks as I believe we have good enough players to play the tactics that Rangnick wants. However, we're gonna see inconsistencies throughout the season implementing this style of play as players essentially learning this on the fly. Just hope they get the next manager right, someone who can expand and continue the groundwork that Rangnick lay down this season

 

[Withnail]

Things change a lot in football and you're only as good as the information you're told.

CLEARLY he got told this information directly from a source close to the boardroom level. Nobody else got wind of this meeting that decided Ole's fate.

Do you really think he just guessed the perfect time and exactly what the meeting was for? don't be daft.

I'm not a fan of Castles by any means but you'd have to be a bit naive to think he just got lucky.

The thing is it doesn't really matter whether he actually got the information right this time or not. He throws out so much nonsense that you can't trust that any of it is true.

 

[reelworld]

He can introduce the gegenpress yes, but what's he going to do about some of our players who can't pass the bloody ball 5 yards without it going astray.
Players holding on to the ball and trying to beat players when they can't dribble.
The gegenpress takes time to perfect, and God himself couldn't do it in 6 months, and it's even harder when you don't have the players capable to play it.
Hope to see more young players coming through, as this is where he will have a better chance of them learning quicker.

Proper training could do that. I mean if you know exactly where your team mates are and will be it'll be much easier for you to pass the ball.

 

[jderbyshire]

How's the work permit thing going then?

Is he taking training this morning?

 

[DomesticTadpole]

To be fair to him, not that he deserves it, Rangnick hasn't got a very impressive CV as a coach - he has an impressive CV as a director of football and football academic. He seems more like an appointment meant to increase the football knowledge at the club and to start that process on the training ground. Someone - probably Murtough - has realised that the only man who has a genuine chance at changing the culture at the club is the manager, and with that in mind has brought Rangnick in to start that process on the training ground and then carry it on into management in a consultancy role. It's a high risk/high reward appointment made possible by the fact that PSG didn't agree to sell us Pochettino.

They aren't wrong when they say he doesn't have an impressive CV, because he doesn't. He's won like 4 trophies in his career and has never managed a top club.



I don't think it's a massive secret that for many, many years players who come here generally perform worse than they did at their previous clubs. Hopefully this changes soon, because it is infuriating to watch player after player come in the door and just be worse than they were when we signed them...


He'll have to adapt - and I think he'll want to.

I think that at former clubs money was a limiting factor that had to be worked around - hence why there's a lot of "hidden gems" that came through. It's probably more down to necessity than anything else. Given a larger budget it would make sense to both sign hidden gems with the potential to become world beaters and the more high reputation players available (Sancho, Haaland, Bellingham (At this point we might as well just buy Dortmund). There's also an element of media handling that comes with being a Man Utd player, which established players tend to have experience with and that can overwhelm players with less experience. You need to strike a good balance and give prospects a chance to learn what it's like before throwing them into the deep-end.

RB Leipzig's most expensive player ever is Naby Keita for €29.7M, ours us Paul Pogba at €105M, and we regularly sign players for €20M that might one day have the potential to play for the first team. I would imagine that anyone who takes a serious look at the club's transfer potential would conclude that while spending €30M would be considered a significant investment at RB Leipzig with all the expectations that come with it, at Man Utd that's about average for a squad-player these days. This of course opens up for the possibility of signing high potential players without much fanfare or media attention and allowing them to grow into top players (Mejbri €5M+, Adama Diallo €15M+) while signing top reputation players to carry the "burden" we heap onto the players (Pogba €105M, Bruno €63M, Maguire €87M, Sancho €85M). I think this is a dream scenario for any footballing executive/co-director of football/transfer policy director w/e Rangnick will become. Given our transfer capabilities we should be doing a hell of a lot better than we currently are, and have a much deeper talent pool at the club than we currently see.

Did Wenger have a really impressive CV? Had he been in the PL before? Arsene Who?

 

[tidraKS]

He can introduce the gegenpress yes, but what's he going to do about some of our players who can't pass the bloody ball 5 yards without it going astray.
Players holding on to the ball and trying to beat players when they can't dribble.
The gegenpress takes time to perfect, and God himself couldn't do it in 6 months, and it's even harder when you don't have the players capable to play it.
Hope to see more young players coming through, as this is where he will have a better chance of them learning quicker.

He will make them learn to pass. It was always a mystery to me, I saw team passing in training and they were shocking, which resulted in bad passing in matches. If they practice that, they'll improve.

I'm not hoping for miracles, I'm just hoping we have a system, and a way that we're going to play, because I wondered myself a million times during Ole's reign, whether this team really trains or they only have fun in training.

 

[DWelbz19]

The Hipsters choice along with Eric Ten Haag managing the biggest and richest club in Holland. Own ya shite if it all goes wrong as you love a manager talking about tactics and buzzwords like Gegenpressing and The Professor. Must've influenced Woodward at wanting some of that.

no way a club like Manchester United can sign hidden gems for a good price like his previous sides have. As soon as Manchester United are interested add another 0 on the end.

Wreck it Ralph is about to feel the heat at managing one of the biggest clubs in the World that has massive expectations and standards. He won't stay the Hipsters Choice for long now he's mainstream.

What are you even talking about?

 

[DWelbz19]

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Is there a more annoying human than Laurence McKenna?

 

[Daengophile]

I can see McT playing more at the back.

I don't have many fond memories of him charging gung-ho up front

 

[Roane]

The big "issue" for me with RR isn't that we appointed him but that we may have appointed him late and may have fans who won't be patient with him.

Ideally we should have appointed him instead of Ole, as it was a time where we all knew we needed to reset. Ole did a decent job when he came in but over time I think his impact will be detrimental for RR as we need to reset again, which will take time.

 

[thebelfastboy]

Proper training could do that. I mean if you know exactly where your team mates are and will be it'll be much easier for you to pass the ball.

Totally agree. At the end of the day they are professionals.

Training drill, training drill, training drill.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

The Hipsters choice along with Eric Ten Haag managing the biggest and richest club in Holland. Own ya shite if it all goes wrong as you love a manager talking about tactics and buzzwords like Gegenpressing and The Professor. Must've influenced Woodward at wanting some of that.

no way a club like Manchester United can sign hidden gems for a good price like his previous sides have. As soon as Manchester United are interested add another 0 on the end.

Wreck it Ralph is about to feel the heat at managing one of the biggest clubs in the World that has massive expectations and standards. He won't stay the Hipsters Choice for long now he's mainstream.

A real fecking beacon of positivity you are eh?

 

[Judas]

The big "issue" for me with RR isn't that we appointed him but that we may have appointed him late and may have fans who won't be patient with him.

Ideally we should have appointed him instead of Ole, as it was a time where we all knew we needed to reset. Ole did a decent job when he came in but over time I think his impact will be detrimental for RR as we need to reset again, which will take time.

People aren't being patient with a caretaker manager, Rangnick has no chance of patience from some of the mugs on here, because it won't be plain sailing, we won't be some tactical pressing supreme force over night. This fanbase is in a slump, I hoped Ole going would fix it a bit, but too many are just more suited to being angry little twitter users.