Ole? A generous 3, maybe.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Ole? A generous 3, maybe.
A big fat zero!
The guy turned into a politician. Great at words and self-preservation. Blaming all and sundry except himself. In hindsight, Carrick would have been the better choice.
The guy turned into a politician. Great at words and self-preservation. Blaming all and sundry except himself. In hindsight, Carrick would have been the better choice.
I agree. He did absolutely nothing. Practically no changes. It was like Ole was still the manager but we had some other guy for the press conferences only.
It's hard to say because we don't know his behind the scenes influence, but purely what he achieved on the pitch it's probably 1/10. It gone absolutely horribly. Have enjoyed his openness though.
You have absolutely nothing to back that up, mind
Fecking hell lads, Carrick tried to walk out the same day Ole was fired, we had to hire an interim regardless. Carrick was never a choice, let alone the 'better' choice.
I do think he's probably a better manager than he's managed to show this season. But the fact that he hasn't really managed to influence the team much at all bar the odd false dawn can't just be excused by the difficult squad circumstances.
Still, even if his interim result wasn't a success, I'm curious whether he could have turned it around and what his team would look like in a year if given the chance. Then again I'm not a United fan, so I have no skin in the game
Still, even if his interim result wasn't a success, I'm curious whether he could have turned it around and what his team would look like in a year if given the chance. Then again I'm not a United fan, so I have no skin in the game
Look at the state of the squad and how they've performed this season. He mentioned the fitness levels in one of his first press conferences, yet they haven't improved. He also bottled every semi final and final we played in.
I'll give him a 2 as he's a club legend and brought in Sancho who'll be huge in our future.
How much does Moyes get?
No you're right I don't but then I never claimed it to be fact either, just a thought.
Actually a few journalists have reported including Fabrizio that RR pushed for ETH.
He walked out so that wasn't really saviour-esque moment from him. Ralf has done what he could with a broken club and a mismanaged squad. His honest answers have been nothing but a breath of fresh air after the three years of great lads and working hard monologue.
- No pre-season
- No backing in the market
- Handed a broken squad full of turd personalities
- Players not following any of his instructions after first 45 mins of his tenure
- Players checking out mid season
- A coaching staff put together for him because of lack of quality available
Pretty sure if it wasn't for him, we would have that bottler Poch at the club and would be having similar discussions 3 years down the line. We might still do, but atleast things are looking a little bit promising.
Again, this is false. He left the club on Dec 2, Rangnick was appointed interim on Nov 29.
As for your last part, if he succeeded Jose who was just as candid, then you wouldn't rate him at all?
Well for a start he wasn't afforded 3 years and £300-400m to build a squad, unlike Ole. Given how he's transformed West Ham, I think he'd have probably shaped us pretty well.
Plus he was working under Woodward who had just been given the reigns of the entire footballing department, we know how that went as we're only just beginning to undo all his mistakes. I mean, we also had to have SAF on the pitch at full time against Chelsea to help get the Mata deal over the line, then there's the Fellaini fiasco.
I do think he could've kept one or two of SAF backroom staff but not all.
I'll go middle ground 5/10.
A team handed to him having qualified for the knockout stages of the Champions League which he managed to lose and the FA cup game against Middlesborough. He was up against the worse teams in living memory for an easy qualification for a top-four finish and failed. He hired nobodies as coaches (mates from previous clubs).
He managed to alienate the players and mismanaged the whole team instead of doing his work behind the scenes. ABC of management. Hardly surprising he never got to manage a top team and was somewhere in Russia before United's approach.
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ETH and Poch were considered prior to Rangnick but not available mid-season. Hardly Ralf's choice. The coaching staff were his choice from the US league who had previously worked with or known from Germany.
He shaped us really well, taking the champions and the team that won 5 league titles in 7 years to 7th position.
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He landed into a complete shitshow so I'm not going to blame him for what happened this season. Anyone with eyes could see the rut was coming at the end of last season.
I can't overstate enough how unimpressive I find Moyes turning West Ham into the exact same team as his old Everton is and how worrying it is that some feel that feat would've justified keeping him on as United manager. He'd have had us hovering around 6th/7th place for his entire tenure, like all his successful teams have done.
Exactly. He took lower table team to 5th-7th position, fighting for top 4 playing hard to beat football. No, it's not about West ham, it's Everton. He got big job and and was a big failure. Now he repeated same thing at West Ham, doesn't mean he will be building league winning squad at big clubs. Few managers suit these clubs.
I don't know why people want to rewrite what happened at ManUtd based on his West Ham career.
Amazing that none of this sinks in, a lot of posters just wanna deify the guy. Every good thing happening at United is because of him and anything bad couldn't possibly be because of him...
It's happening with all our previous managers at the moment, an increasing number of people seem to think we should've kept Mourinho now
the board / our recruitment has been appalling but that doesn't mean the manager's have been anywhere near good enough. We made the right decision sacking every manager we have done so far.It's happening with all our previous managers at the moment, an increasing number of people seem to think we should've kept Mourinho now
Yeah, sacking is the one decision that was good since 2013. Timing was the issue, every manager was sacked 6 months late.
Exactly. Quite mind blowing that people are jumping on him like he had a simple job.
Oh and add to that Greenwood getting exposed for being an absolute cnut when Greenwood was very much one of our "get out of jail free" cards over the past couple of seasons.
I do think that RR could have done a better job but I am ambivalent about whether him doing a better job would have been worse for the club in the long run. United have been like a good sportsman with awful technique who kind of gets the job done but will never truly be elite because of those fundamental flaws. We need to start from scratch. This isn't 20 years ago. You are competing with teams that get nearly 100pts in the league most seasons. You have to be better than good.
It feels like the mess has been brought to the surface completely under RR and hopefully it will be washed away and we can start to build a good foundation for the club going forwards. Its the first time I have genuinely felt positive about where the club is going in a very long time. Even near the end of Fergies time it was very apparent that we were falling by the wayside and being held together by the great man. I just hope the club back the manager and his first few transfer windows work out.
This line of thinking is mental. There’s no scenario in which finishing in the top 4 isn’t beneficial to us. More money, playing in a prestigious competition, a more attractive destination for footballers (we’re already seeing reports about how Frenkie wants to play in the CL.)
Its like people in Germany who when things are bad think nostalgically about DDR. We have that here too regarding ex Yugoslavia.It's happening with all our previous managers at the moment, an increasing number of people seem to think we should've kept Mourinho now
Exactly! The problem is that many fans (and our owners?) want to find the new SAF: let the manager stay for 6 years and he will fix everything and then he will keep winning for 20 years. But this is not a realistic expectation. If Moyes had stayed for 6 years and then Van Gaal for another 6 years...
Ole was an easy 7. Ragnick has been a 2. Would have been a 1 if not for how refreshing it is to hear him speak and his openness. Hopefully he still has an impact off the pitch because on it he’s been atrocious.
Part of me understands that the players wouldn't want to listen to a coaching staff who have done nothing to warrant a position at a top club other than have previous with the interim but looking at it logically what half decent coach is going to leave their job for a 6 month stint at a club that's getting a name for itself for the players throwing managers under the bus?
I don't really think it would of mattered who the club brought in as coaches. It took the players all of 45 minutes against CP to reslise that having to work hard wasn't for them and from that moment on Ralf and his team were fighting a losing battle.
Let's hope that the squad is ripped apart because if not ETH is going to be under instant pressure as he's known to he a hard task master himself and within 6 months we'll all be heading to the, ETH manager. Does anyone rate him thread? But yeah. That's throw all the blame onto the interim and his coaching staff.
Word is that all the Coffee machines at Carrington are Nespresso but this summer they're all being changed to Lavazza. I have no evidence that Ralf was behind this decision but I believe he pushed hard for Lavezza.
I find the black and white in here hilarious, it is either support or slaguhter RR. Why can't you guys be more sober?
Results have not been good, but they were not with Ole either.
RR was one of very few options available. Carrick was not an option according to himself.
RR got 6 months with a shitshow of a squad. Leaks, downing tools, etc.
No improvement. Although we had no improvement for the last 3 years.
This season has been a write off, most blame to the board who put the team in this situation.
I don't really understand what the expectation was after January?
Chill the f down.
Results have not been good, but they were not with Ole either.
RR was one of very few options available. Carrick was not an option according to himself.
RR got 6 months with a shitshow of a squad. Leaks, downing tools, etc.
No improvement. Although we had no improvement for the last 3 years.
This season has been a write off, most blame to the board who put the team in this situation.
I don't really understand what the expectation was after January?
Chill the f down.
I legitimately do not understand this fascination people have with managers talking shit about the players and club they are in charge of. The only person it benefits is your need for validation. It only damages the club.
"The manager doesnt say it like it is so nothing will change!!!" - This is an actual argument thats been made frequently. Its a little bit bewildering that talking to the press is supposedly what brings about change of fortune, not actions at a club.
We have literally just appointed ETH, but somehow he is not the most exciting story, no its Ralf and his Dumbledore levels of encyclopedic knowledge of the game, creator of Tuchel and Klopp and inventor of the current shape of the football. A circle.
I dont really have an opinion on Ralfs managerial skills. He didnt improve the club and that is where we are at. I however just can not stand leaders who throw anyone but themselves under the bus. Its beyond gutless.
Moyes in his first full season took the champions and a team that hadn't finished outside the top 3 in over a decade to finishing 7th. In the process failing to qualify for the CL and not even qualifying for the fecking EL. Being the first United manager since the 70's to not qualify for any European competition. Winning only 3 league games out of 18 against the other 9 teams that finished in the top 10 that year. That's why he wasn't afforded 3 years and £300-400m, unlike Ole.
Pretty much all of those factors are true for the vast majority of Interim managers taking over a team mid-season.
How can he be an easy 7 when everything he's done the last 3 years has to be ripped up and started again? He's put together the most spineless, gutless squad I've seen in 40+ years as a supporter and yet he gets an "easy" 7 while the man who took over the same squad without a penny spent gets a 1 for the teams performances? Come on. A little bit of perspective is needed here.
Rangnick has failed, but I wouldn't pin the majority of the blame on him. It's obvious the squad is awful. Weak mentality, bad attitude, subpar quality. Few people in this squad are worth a damn. If I had to split the blame it would be 1/3 Rangnick and 2/3 the squad.
If the only way Ten Hag can succeed here is by buying an almost entirely new squad (which is highly impractical if not impossible) then we may have the wrong man for the job. Top managers can turn squads with poor cultures around so let's hope Erik is capable of that over the next 1-2 years because I can almost guarantee that 60-70% of the current squad will still be here in 2 years. If Erik hasn't turned it around by then his job will be in trouble.
Rangnick was/is not a top manager, lot of world class managers admire Bielsa too, but i dont think most united fans would want Bielsa here. BUT i dont really want to blame him, the squad is ill-suited to his prefential system since day one even if he had pre-season (Ole had only 1 normal pre-season BTW). Anyway it's water under the bridge now, we have ETH a potentially world class manager who will need absolute help from the board and the fan fixing the broken morale and attitude problem in our squad.
Solskjær would’ve been a 6.5 for me had we amicably parted ways with him after the Europa League final loss, that was enough evidence to me that he couldn’t cut it at top level. However, we let it get too toxic and it has permanently damaged the squad so I’d give his overall reign a 3. If Solskjær is a 3 Rangnick is a 2. However, I do honestly believe a lot of the positive structural changes we’re seeing recently wouldn’t have had the wheels set in motion without Ralf’s observations. The board needed to hear how badly we were run and only an objective outside voice could provide that.
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