Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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philnguyen1994 said:
I can't help but feel the club has pulled a bit of a con job here with Rangnick's appointment. They appointed a well-respected DOF as an interim manager (a role he's unsuited for) with a vague promise of a '2-year consultancy'. Then, they sat back and watched the fans' desperate hope that things surely must get better somehow turn into self-delusion that he would be this master strategist to bring us back to glory.
Realistically, I can't see Rangnick having any significant influence on the future direction of the club.
I'm going to give Rangnick the benefit of the doubt and believe he's also a victim of the club's con job, and not an accomplice just trying to score a big client for his consultancy business.
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Spot on. Much as people know what to lay into Ralf, he was set up to fail. His appointment was more PR spin from the board and owners, helped gloss over the fact they sat by and watched the slow motion car crash happen right up to the point the car smashed into a wall. Only then did they act. Reports in Germany early on said he was told to abandon the press and to stop trying to restructure the team, also little you can do on fitness in the middle of the season

They appoint Fletcher to a tecnhical director role, for which he has ZERO qualification, then bring in Ralf with the promise of a consultancy role which was clearly just BS. Ralf may well not have been up to the role of interim manager, though at the time who was there? The bigger issue is what on earth a completely unqualified ex player is now doing helping decide our next manager, shouting instructions from the bench and helping in first team training. Shambles
 
Almost everyone in here would agree a massive reorganisation of the club is needed. I fail to see how people think a Michael Carrick led assault on 4th place serves us better than a clearly unbiased and impartial Ragnick laying out his impressions of everything he's seen in his brief but informative few months here from the perspective of 6th place or whatever. The last thing we want is anything that papers over the massive cracks.
 
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Almost everyone in here would agree a massive reorganisation of the club is needed. I fail to see how people think a Michael Carrick led assault on 4th place serves us better than a clearly unbiased and impartial Ragnick laying out his impressions of everything he's seen in his brief but informative few months here from the perspective of 6th place or whatever. The last thing we want is anything that papers over the massive cracks.
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Agreed. And we need to see just how bad a hole we are in. And who is to blame ... its not Ralf, nor for that matter Ole. Its the Glazers, though Woodward will go down in history as the worst CEO in modern football. But again if the Glazers gave shit they would never have let the idiot loose on the club with ZERO qualifications for the role.
 
Strootman's Finger said:
For the posters that disagreed with me that Fletcher has too much influence on the team

Manchester United: Ralf Rangnick NOT happy with Darren Fletcher shouting at players from bench | Daily Mail Online
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I noticed the other week Fletcher briefing subs before they come on, then the fan argument. Remember, this is the guy with no coachings badges and close to zero coaching experience. He is now both technical director and now seemingly also first team coach. Lots of strange things happen at MUFC but this suggest we are still being led by muppets. Now we read the ETH is being encouraged to stick with the current coaching staff. Phelan needs to go, and frankly Darren should be told to go and earn his badges with the youth teams.
 
VP89 said:
Worth also noting Cox is a complete tit.

Hes the king of hindsight. Gave similar damming indicements about Jose on The Totally Football Show podcast. Then he said they just need love, etc and was an advocate of Ole early on.

Then after he realized Ole was bad he acted like it was always going to happen.
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Cox is like the Jordan Peterson of football analysis. Imbeciles look up to him and buy into his hubris, but really he’s a narcissist and not nearly as clever as he thinks he is. Tit is the perfect word.
 
Kag said:
Cox is like the Jordan Peterson of football analysis. Imbeciles look up to him and buy into his hubris, but really he’s a narcissist and not nearly as clever as he thinks he is. Tit is the perfect word.
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I sometimes appreciate what Jordan Peterson has to say. May I am the tit :(
 
Results have been poor under Rangnick, but I do like what he has had to say. The consultancy role will be different to coaching the side, and the former is where he is supposed to excel.

The players can piss off, too. His tenure has at least shone a light on the arseholes in the squad and, if anything positive is to come from this interim period, then it’s the hope that some of them are about to be tossed out to fail somewhere else.
 
Gordon Godot said:
I noticed the other week Fletcher briefing subs before they come on, then the fan argument. Remember, this is the guy with no coachings badges and close to zero coaching experience. He is now both technical director and now seemingly also first team coach. Lots of strange things happen at MUFC but this suggest we are still being led by muppets. Now we read the ETH is being encouraged to stick with the current coaching staff. Phelan needs to go, and frankly Darren should be told to go and earn his badges with the youth teams.
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I loved Darren Fletcher as a player, but he has no experience and has absolutely no business being in such a role in such a big club.
 
How to rate Rangnick?

First, for an interim manager to turn a team around, you most likely need a motivational type of person who inspires players' confidence. This was something that Ole was very good at. This can wear thin, when players are not held accountable but receive primarily positive reinforcement. This is possibly a reason why in Ole's third year things began to fall apart. While I like Rangnick, he does not give me the impression of being an inspiring type of individual.

Second, as a manager Rangnick has been known to be an innovator and an excellent strategist, which many people confuse with being a good tactician. Being a strategist and a tactician are not the same thing. Rangnick was one of the founders of a new system of playing football - that is innovation. While many simply refer to gegenpressing, if you listen to what RR actually says, he talks about having complete control of the game, controlling the game in your attacking half of the pitch both defensively and in attack. Spanish football's tiki-taka passing style is about achieving similar goals - complete control of the game by maintain possession of the football - but with different means. Rangnick's "genius" has been strategic, how to set up a football team to play defense on the attacking half of the pitch, win the ball back, and score quick goals. It has also been strategic in terms of recruitment and teaching players how to play this style of football.

Tactics are more about making changes within a match or preparing for specific teams. I would not say that Rangnick is a great tactician. He is probably average. Here Guardiola and Klopp are better tacticians, so that while they adopt some of Rangnick's innovations and strategy, they have tactically used them better than he has.

I hope that Rangnick does fulfill the 2-year consulting role, because this is where his real strength lies. Working together with Ten Haag, he can help United strategically to re-build and construct a team that plays the way that Ten Haag wants. It will probably take a few years to challenge City and Liverpool, but I do think with patience RR and Ten Haag can get us there.
 
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I could go back and quote all the posts saying the club were ignoring ralf, choosing Fletcher over him etc but I won't ;)
 
Strootman's Finger said:
I loved Darren Fletcher as a player, but he has no experience and has absolutely no business being in such a role in such a big club.
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I'd worry more about the unqualified director of football who got hired by becoming a Woodward ally.
 
He always looks like he's on the verge of calling players out, then remembers he cannot, or will not yet do that. He must go home screaming after every training session with this lot.

I also think we'll be a lot worse in the coming games. In his last few pressers, I get the feeling he's said too much for these players. He's outright said they shouldn't be here and there'll need to be outgoings and incomings, and that most of the squad now won't be here in the coming years. Our players don't have the fight to prove that wrong, so they'll just sulk on the pitch. Fair enough though. Weed them all out.
 
As terrible as the football and results have been, I still don’t blame him. Many things could have been better only if there was some stability and professionalism at this club since he arrived here and before that. The season was done before it even started and his fate was sealed before he even put a foot in at this club. An honest and dignified man who have been thrown into the nest of vipers. I still remember when he arrived how confident and charming he was and how shell shocked, speechless he looks now.

More than anything I’m thankful he highlighted the issues at this club regardless of how good or bad a manager he is. His interim reign has exposed everyone from players to the board and united the whole fanbase in the process to see the real issues and to me that’s a huge positive.
 
MattofManchester said:
He always looks like he's on the verge of calling players out, then remembers he cannot, or will not yet do that. He must go home screaming after every training session with this lot.

I also think we'll be a lot worse in the coming games. In his last few pressers, I get the feeling he's said too much for these players. He's outright said they shouldn't be here and there'll need to be outgoings and incomings, and that most of the squad now won't be here in the coming years. Our players don't have the fight to prove that wrong, so they'll just sulk on the pitch. Fair enough though. Weed them all out.
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I feel with each remaining game being ticked off, he is going in more 2 footed. Im all for it
 
I believe the thing about the senior players causing compatibility problems. You don't need to be a coach to see how our best players can have a problem with organised football. Some thrive on being given carte blanche to play as they like, others like Rashford are incredibly limited and need complete freedom to spam the one skill they are good at. Someone like Bruno isn't even trying to adapt, he's still playing Ole ball. RR's football on paper should suit them and it is actually closer to their strengths than Ten Hag's style. If they are failing under Rangnick then they shouldn't even bother showing up when ETH arrives. They don't have a chance and we're just waiting for the inevitable.
 
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For anyone to get something out of this squad after Ole's sacking, they would have had to coddle this group of players and tell them that they're fecking brilliant.

Considering that we've seen how these guys respond to adversity by leaking stuff to the press and not bothering to put the effort in despite being on absolutely silly money, is that what we as fans would've wanted long term? Are these the guys we think would be able to lead a title charge in a few years? Are these the guys we want representing the club that we support? I honestly don't care if we finish 6th or 17th. I'm just glad someone's had the balls to tell these jokers that they're not good enough or care enough (or both) and that we've hopefully set the wheels of change in motion already as opposed to August 25th once the new manager's had time to "assess the squad and give everyone a chance".
 
Gordon Godot said:
I noticed the other week Fletcher briefing subs before they come on, then the fan argument. Remember, this is the guy with no coachings badges and close to zero coaching experience. He is now both technical director and now seemingly also first team coach. Lots of strange things happen at MUFC but this suggest we are still being led by muppets. Now we read the ETH is being encouraged to stick with the current coaching staff. Phelan needs to go, and frankly Darren should be told to go and earn his badges with the youth teams.
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He started his coaching badges years ago so he must have some or all of them by now surely.
 
UTD_Since_1978 said:
I have to wonder why he still keeps picking Maguire despite one poor performance after another.
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Lack of options. Varane has been sick and injured a lot, Lindelof has been sick, injured and struggled with his own form. Rangnick clearly hasn't been impressed with Bailly as he's been fit for months yet not played a minute since December.

Phil Jones.
 
stevoc said:
Lack of options. Varane has been sick and injured a lot, Lindelof has been sick, injured and struggled with his own form. Rangnick clearly hasn't been impressed with Bailly as he's been fit for months yet not played a minute since December.

Phil Jones.
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Maybe its worth putting him out there to sink or swim too. He still has 6 or so games to get his form up to a passable standard. He kind of needs to prove we dont need a new first team defender in the summer. It'd just be short sighted to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope for the best at this point
 
SalfordRed18 said:


I could go back and quote all the posts saying the club were ignoring ralf, choosing Fletcher over him etc but I won't ;)
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That's great. Fingers crossed he's given an important role in the coming years. As I said earlier, he speaks more sense from a footballing pov than anyone at the club since SAF. Yes he's not a great manager but we need intelligent football people who have run clubs well given our lack of footballing direction.
 
Gordon Godot said:
Spot on. Much as people know what to lay into Ralf, he was set up to fail. His appointment was more PR spin from the board and owners, helped gloss over the fact they sat by and watched the slow motion car crash happen right up to the point the car smashed into a wall. Only then did they act. Reports in Germany early on said he was told to abandon the press and to stop trying to restructure the team, also little you can do on fitness in the middle of the season

They appoint Fletcher to a tecnhical director role, for which he has ZERO qualification, then bring in Ralf with the promise of a consultancy role which was clearly just BS. Ralf may well not have been up to the role of interim manager, though at the time who was there? The bigger issue is what on earth a completely unqualified ex player is now doing helping decide our next manager, shouting instructions from the bench and helping in first team training. Shambles
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Out of curiosity, what does a technical director do? Direct technique? I mean, they have a director of football. How is a technical director different? ie What is the job description?
 
Gordon Godot said:
I noticed the other week Fletcher briefing subs before they come on, then the fan argument. Remember, this is the guy with no coachings badges and close to zero coaching experience. He is now both technical director and now seemingly also first team coach. Lots of strange things happen at MUFC but this suggest we are still being led by muppets. Now we read the ETH is being encouraged to stick with the current coaching staff. Phelan needs to go, and frankly Darren should be told to go and earn his badges with the youth teams.
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If Chris Armas has coaching badges then coaching badges are not worth that much.
 
Kaushal said:
As terrible as the football and results have been, I still don’t blame him. Many things could have been better only if there was some stability and professionalism at this club since he arrived here and before that. The season was done before it even started and his fate was sealed before he even put a foot in at this club. An honest and dignified man who have been thrown into the nest of vipers. I still remember when he arrived how confident and charming he was and how shell shocked, speechless he looks now.

More than anything I’m thankful he highlighted the issues at this club regardless of how good or bad a manager he is. His interim reign has exposed everyone from players to the board and united the whole fanbase in the process to see the real issues and to me that’s a huge positive.
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I will miss his honesty in press conferences. Especially his most recent comments.

“I know Liverpool, Manchester City and Chelsea also have smart people who take care of recruitment, scouting, the medical department… I think this is also an issue for our club, where they have to pay attention to.”
 
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He doesn't play Rashford every week. And who's he going to play instead of McTominay and Maguire? World class talents such as Bailey, Jones, Lindelof and Matic? I'm sure we'd be ripping teams apart with those super fit high energy pressing machines in the team
 
Rightnr said:
Well, given the masterclass you provided in your post, I am sure he is very educated now.

Alternatively, you are talking bollocks.
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I don't need a masterclass in football to know that a manager picks the team.

Just because you or others have an agenda against Fletcher means he picks the teams to make you feel better about certain players playing.
 
Strootman's Finger said:
I fully understand how a properly run football club operates. I am not sure what you guys think that has to do with how Manchester United operates. Ralf came in with a plan, immediately tried to implement it, and within a month was back to Ole ball with the exact players Ole used, with no one understanding how Maguire, Rashford, McTominey, Shaw, and Wan-Bissaka are still playing regularly. Again, I know what these roles are in other clubs, I know how things are supposed to work, but I reitterate, with complete confidence in what I am saying, there is no way Ralf is managing this team without outside influence, whether it's fletcher, Murtough, Arnold, Joel Glazer, I don't know, but I know one of the most respected men in the world of football is smart enough to see that Maguire should be nowhere near this team.
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So one of the most respected man in football will allow someone else to dictate what he does?

Are you that deluded? If someone like Rangnick has left jobs because he hasn't been impressed, you think he will put his reputation on the line to start a CB?

Also, stop being silly about AWB, Rashford, this shows a CLEAR agenda. Rashford and AWB are not playing regularly, nowhere near the minutes under Ole.

Joel Glazer does not give a shit about day to day running of the club.
 
romufc said:
I don't need a masterclass in football to know that a manager picks the team.

Just because you or others have an agenda against Fletcher means he picks the teams to make you feel better about certain players playing.
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Yeah the criticism Fletcher receives is bizarre. He hasn't even done anything to warrant it. :lol:
 
romufc said:
I don't need a masterclass in football to know that a manager picks the team.

Just because you or others have an agenda against Fletcher means he picks the teams to make you feel better about certain players playing.
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I said nothing about Fletcher, you just made claims as if you have been part of a professional football club for years or even specifically know what's going on at United.

Again, trying to prove others wrong by just stating things doesn't make you right, it just makes you look like a know-it-all.
 
Rightnr said:
I said nothing about Fletcher, you just made claims as if you have been part of a professional football club for years or even specifically know what's going on at United.

Again, trying to prove others wrong by just stating things doesn't make you right, it just makes you look like a know-it-all.
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No, I have never said that I am part of the football club.

All I am saying, read carefully is that a football manager picks the football team. I don't need to be all know it all to know that.

A kit man - sorts kits out

Get the gist? I dont need to be working a the football club to know what someone does based on their title.
 
Gordon Godot said:
I noticed the other week Fletcher briefing subs before they come on, then the fan argument. Remember, this is the guy with no coachings badges and close to zero coaching experience. He is now both technical director and now seemingly also first team coach. Lots of strange things happen at MUFC but this suggest we are still being led by muppets. Now we read the ETH is being encouraged to stick with the current coaching staff. Phelan needs to go, and frankly Darren should be told to go and earn his badges with the youth teams.
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ten Hag has full say on his coaching staff. The only one who will likely be staying is Eric Ramsay.
 
Only criticism I have of Rangnick is he has been interim manager for long enough to have been able to impose some mark on the team. I think his interviews and public remarks on the state of the club are good and he will get to change this things as a consultant upstairs but part of his remit for now is to improve the fortunes of the first team and that hasn't happened. It has never felt like he was the manager of a team. It never felt like he is responsible for what is happening out on the pitch - good, bad and ugly. Instead it feels like a sunday league operation where the players and staff arrive to the stadium an hour before kick off and in that brief time a team is announced and whatever the gameplan is it is made up on the spot. The only real change he has made that was by design was Dalot replacing Wan-Bissaka in the pecking order.
 
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